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Odd! You just referenced his professionalisms as well
His professionalism (or a lack of) definitely influences him as a player. It has nothing to do with his talent though, and he is definitely one of the brightest talents around that I'd put in a bracket directly below Mbappe.
 

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I don’t think you’ve been paying attention to their miss management. They’ve failed to replace Neymar and Iniesta. They have no real transfer strategy and they haven’t identified a good coach. I think it would be quite naive to assume this current structure will get it right. But they said we wouldn’t fail so you know.
I'd have supported this opinion one or two years ago but recent decisions have been pretty much on point, IMO. They finally got rid of Valverde and made a rather controversial choice in Setien. However, he seems an adamant follower of the Cruyff philosophy so it's at least worth a try. De Jong was also an excellent signing and Arthur was, too. Additionally, Coutinho could work much better in that system. His skills are actually perfect for Barca's brand of football. I never understood the Dembele transfer though who's like the worst fit in a possession based approach you can imagine. That's probably their most costly mistake.

Completely different case to yours, IMO.
 

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The transfer fees of Neymar, Coutinho and Dembele have to be the most inflated fees in the history of football for their contributions to their clubs, Madness!
You could probably add Kepa and Pogba in that list! Kepa because he's a terrible keeper and Pogba because he just hasnt shown it here.
 

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What is talent unless you can use that talent? Natural ability is only a fraction of proper talent. Many argued that Quaresma was a greater talent than Ronaldo, but he only arguably had greater natural ability. Working hard and having the mentality to reach that extra level is also part of what constitutes talent. Dembele seems to have plenty of natural ability, but he seems to lack other important parts to his game that the very best players have. That being said, it seems that not all players seem to thrive in Messi´s shadow.
 

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Additionally, Coutinho could work much better in that system. His skills are actually perfect for Barca's brand of football.
Playing next to Messi is hard. Few have managed it with success
 

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I'd have supported this opinion one or two years ago but recent decisions have been pretty much on point, IMO. They finally got rid of Valverde and made a rather controversial choice in Setien. However, he seems an adamant follower of the Cruyff philosophy so it's at least worth a try. De Jong was also an excellent signing and Arthur was, too. Additionally, Coutinho could work much better in that system. His skills are actually perfect for Barca's brand of football. I never understood the Dembele transfer though who's like the worst fit in a possession based approach you can imagine. That's probably their most costly mistake.

Completely different case to yours, IMO.
We’ll have to see. There transfer strategy has been well just play weird for a couple of seasons now. Yes players like De Jong and De Ligt have in principle seemed sensible.. but they’re sticking to there philosophy as they should be not with the right components. As far as I’m concerned when Messi starts to fade this is going to be a mess.
 

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If United could get him at a decent price (doubt it) I’d still be tempted.

When he’s good he’s unplayable but big risk and investment on someone who struggles to stay fit and supposedly having discipline issues.
Injured again for another 2 weeks while being out due to injury.

Just comical now.
Muscle injuries whilst returning from other injuries are common place, to be expected really. The tendency for you to over compensate for an injury leads to these.

Now that I think about it he’s another youngster BVB beat us to. Supposedly City were never gonna sell or allow Sancho to go to us but we supposedly tried, Haaland we know and supposedly we went in for Dembele when he was at Rennes along with Madrid and a few others but BVB had been in contact for 6 months before anyone else and they decided that would be best for him.
 

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His injuries are comical at this point but I'm sure Barca aren't laughing though. I don't know how much professionalism has to do with all of this, maybe he is just prone to injury. I can't see any way Barca recoup the money they spent on this kid. He definitely had his moments at Dortmund but he's not a very smart player in terms of tactics.
 

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This guy is average and the amount Barcelona paid for him hilarious.
 

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The transfer fees of Neymar, Coutinho and Dembele have to be the most inflated fees in the history of football for their contributions to their clubs, Madness!
Nonsense. Neymar has consistently been a top5 player in the world for the past 7 years. He’s the all time leading Brazilian goal scorer in the CL, as well as a bunch of other titles and trophy laden career, and he’s only just turned 28.
 

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Dembele a generational talent?

He's one of the most overrated 'talents' out there. If you can even still call him a 'talented prospect'.

He's been terrible for Barcelona and he's unprofessional.
It’s only his mental issues that needs sorting out. Talent wise, he is probably on par with Mbappe. That’s how high I rate him.
 

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Such a talent, but unfortunately it seems that injuries will never leave him. It's amazing how little return Barsa got on their investment of the Neymar money.
 

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I just don't think he plays on the same wave length as Messi & Suarez or even Fati or Greizmann - there's an element of pace that's different to them.

I don't know how to verbally describe it but I feel that sometimes when the players around you don't play on the same wave length as you then it's easier to get injuries - the rest of Barcelona are pacey but they don't necessarily have to use it as much they are much much technical in their abilities to interlink with each other.

I also felt this way about Bale at Madrid - that he was getting injured playing as a RW where he did okay but you could argue that he broke in to the scene in comfort and a different level of pace as a LW or even as a CAM for Wales. The RW for him always seemed a little uncomfortable like he was being fit in their because Ronaldo was no doubt better.
 

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Nonsense. Neymar has consistently been a top5 player in the world for the past 7 years. He’s the all time leading Brazilian goal scorer in the CL, as well as a bunch of other titles and trophy laden career, and he’s only just turned 28.
Also, Neymar brought a media/marketing focus on PSG that was impossible to imagine 3 years ago. That means a lot of money.
The fact that Barcelone spent more on Coutinho+Dembele than what we gave them for Neymar is terrible for them.
 

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Injured the rest of the season! He broke the femoral biceps tendon.
Was the previous injury also in that area?
 

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Also, Neymar brought a media/marketing focus on PSG that was impossible to imagine 3 years ago. That means a lot of money.
The fact that Barcelone spent more on Coutinho+Dembele than what we gave them for Neymar is terrible for them.
Absolutely. Although losing Neymar was a massive blow, with a little vision it could have been a blessing in disguise if that money would have been spent wisely instead of panic purchases.
 

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He barly plays does he? What a buisness for Dortmund. Zorc invested Barcelonas panic-money well. Best deal ever.
Barcelona should get their shit together in terms of squadbuilding.."mes de un club", if they would have taken this words seriously they would have checked more on a player then some youtube vids, maybe they would have noticed his issues. But thanks for the record-sum.
 

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nightmare scenario for Barca. first they lost Neymar and now they don't even have players they've spent the Neymar money on. with Suarez also gone and Perez loaned out, it's Messi - Griezz - Fati for the rest of the season. If I was on Setien's place, I'd just use Semedo on the wing from time to time.
 

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nightmare scenario for Barca. first they lost Neymar and now they don't even have players they've spent the Neymar money on. with Suarez also gone and Perez loaned out, it's Messi - Griezz - Fati for the rest of the season. If I was on Setien's place, I'd just use Semedo on the wing from time to time.
They could have snapped up Paco again in the winter. But they were lazy and dumb. Just like they behave in the last years.
 

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Nonsense. Neymar has consistently been a top5 player in the world for the past 7 years. He’s the all time leading Brazilian goal scorer in the CL, as well as a bunch of other titles and trophy laden career, and he’s only just turned 28.
Rubbish!
What has he done since he has gone to PSG?
He is playing in a crap league and there would be more than 5 better players than him in the Premier League in the past two years never mind the world.
I suppose the same could be said of Mbappe but he is a lot younger and his price was so high because of being referenced to the huge price tag of Neymar
 

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Based on what? A season in Dortmund? He's shown absolutely nothing in Spain.
Dude there was a spell where he was pulling Barca through games before quickly becoming injured again. He was great at Rennes, fantastic at BVB and has had moments at Barca but never been consistent enough.

Hes easily one of the most talented footballers there has been in the last 5 years but to whip out a cliche, talent only gets you so far. Although you don’t get as good as he is with 2 feet and dribbiling with either foot if you haven’t put in the hours of work.
 

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The only issue is that he is injury prone to Robben proportion. When fit he is pretty good and prolific even though he is a wasteful player.
 

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Dude there was a spell where he was pulling Barca through games before quickly becoming injured again. He was great at Rennes, fantastic at BVB and has had moments at Barca but never been consistent enough.

Hes easily one of the most talented footballers there has been in the last 5 years but to whip out a cliche, talent only gets you so far. Although you don’t get as good as he is with 2 feet and dribbiling with either foot if you haven’t put in the hours of work.
OK, you've clearly seen more of him than I have, but to me he seems an extremely raw player that is often not in harmony with the rest of the team on the pitch. If Barcelona were an orchestra he'd be off tune. He's just not in the same flow and rhythm as the rest of the team. When he gets the ball, the attacking pattern breaks down and he just does his own instinctive move. That to me doesn't scream generational talent, that to me screams capricious virtuoso about to sit on the bench. Add going on strike at Dortmund demanding a transfer, showing up late for training because he was playing Fortnite all night, not being professional about his diet, fitness etc. and you've got a flawed professional, albeit a talented one.

Look Barca, are not necessarily a paragon of stability - plenty of players have failed there and had a good career elsewhere. But don't think United should look at him. He could have succeeded at Fergie's United, no chance in hell he does so in this current setup.
 

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It’s only his mental issues that needs sorting out. Talent wise, he is probably on par with Mbappe. That’s how high I rate him.
Hahaha that is based on absolutely nothing. He shouldn’t be in the same sentence as Mbappe, unless preceded by “is nowhere near as good as”.
 

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OK, you've clearly seen more of him than I have, but to me he seems an extremely raw player that is often not in harmony with the rest of the team on the pitch. If Barcelona were an orchestra he'd be off tune. He's just not in the same flow and rhythm as the rest of the team. When he gets the ball, the attacking pattern breaks down and he just does his own instinctive move. That to me doesn't scream generational talent, that to me screams capricious virtuoso about to sit on the bench. Add going on strike at Dortmund demanding a transfer, showing up late for training because he was playing Fortnite all night, not being professional about his diet, fitness etc. and you've got a flawed professional, albeit a talented one.

Look Barca, are not necessarily a paragon of stability - plenty of players have failed there and had a good career elsewhere. But don't think United should look at him. He could have succeeded at Fergie's United, no chance in hell he does so in this current setup.
You clearly haven't got a clue, it's Mario Kart.:rolleyes:
 

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OK, you've clearly seen more of him than I have, but to me he seems an extremely raw player that is often not in harmony with the rest of the team on the pitch. Yup
If Barcelona were an orchestra he'd be off tune. He's just not in the same flow and rhythm as the rest of the team. Big time
When he gets the ball, the attacking pattern breaks down and he just does his own instinctive move. Yep
That to me doesn't scream generational talent, that to me screams capricious virtuoso about to sit on the bench.
If every one in 3 moves ends in a goalscoring chance, that screams world class phenomenon

Not that that's the case yet, but it happens often enough it's easy to see him reach that level

Add going on strike at Dortmund demanding a transfer, showing up late for training because he was playing Fortnite all night, not being professional about his diet, fitness etc. and you've got a flawed professional, albeit a talented one Oh yeah
 

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If every one in 3 moves ends in a goalscoring chance, that screams world class phenomenon

Not that that's the case yet, but it happens often enough it's easy to see him reach that level
Yeah, people that didn't watch him play with Barcelona seemingly don't get it. While all the grievances about immaturity are totally fair and documented, on the field he is an absolute menace despite the fact that he will mess up something ridiculous almost every games, there is basically no middle ground with him, one minutes he does something that only Messi and himself can create and the other minute he does something that you would expect from Ali Dia.
 

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We should be monitoring him longterm, a two-footed winger with his combination of agility and creativity would be a massive signing for us to get Rashford and Greenwood finishing opportunities. Could really be a Sneijder/Robben type who flops for Barca/Madrid and can be gotten for good value and then become a worldbeater.
 

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We should be monitoring him longterm, a two-footed winger with his combination of agility and creativity would be a massive signing for us to get Rashford and Greenwood finishing opportunities. Could really be a Sneijder/Robben type who flops for Barca/Madrid and can be gotten for good value and then become a worldbeater.
Given our return to our "character reference" style of recruitment. Do you think we'd take him? It's been reported for a while that his attitude is a hindrance on his own game.
 

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Given our return to our "character reference" style of recruitment. Do you think we'd take him? It's been reported for a while that his attitude is a hindrance on his own game.
The "attitude" problem is that he is childish, everyone will tell you that he is lovely and polite but he needs parenting, one of the issues when he moved to Barcelona was that he was alone with his best friend and his uncle who has the same age when he used to live with his mom.
 

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Given our return to our "character reference" style of recruitment. Do you think we'd take him? It's been reported for a while that his attitude is a hindrance on his own game.
I have no idea what we base our recruitment on or what Dembele is like, but watching him at Dortmund vs Sancho reminds me of the Grealish (Dembele) vs Maddison (Sancho) debate. The latter two are sort of robotic creators of chances and the former two are a bit flashier but they'd all walk into our team that's for damn sure.
 

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OK, you've clearly seen more of him than I have, but to me he seems an extremely raw player that is often not in harmony with the rest of the team on the pitch. If Barcelona were an orchestra he'd be off tune. He's just not in the same flow and rhythm as the rest of the team. When he gets the ball, the attacking pattern breaks down and he just does his own instinctive move. That to me doesn't scream generational talent, that to me screams capricious virtuoso about to sit on the bench. Add going on strike at Dortmund demanding a transfer, showing up late for training because he was playing Fortnite all night, not being professional about his diet, fitness etc. and you've got a flawed professional, albeit a talented one.

Look Barca, are not necessarily a paragon of stability - plenty of players have failed there and had a good career elsewhere. But don't think United should look at him. He could have succeeded at Fergie's United, no chance in hell he does so in this current setup.
I think in part he was just never a Barca player. I get what you are saying as in he doesn’t maybe fit in with the work they do and the way they play but that’s maturity and coaching. He’s like I said easily one of the most talented footballers around and if United had the option to say get him for 60 mil or something then I’d sign him in a heartbeat as he is special.

Injuries are a worry, but he’d suit what it looks like Ole is trying to do perfectly to me. This is only of course if Sancho is no option. You would hope with age comes more maturity and the reason he went on strike at BVB was because Barca asked him to to help facilitate a move.

He and Aubemyang that season were electric.
 

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He is playing in a crap league and there would be more than 5 better players than him in the Premier League in the past two years never mind the world.
Neymar would be the best player in the Premier League.
 

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I'll never forgive him for missing that sitter against Barcelona when they were 3-0 up against Liverpool. It led to the snowball effect of them becoming this unstoppable force.

All will be forgiven if Barca decide to sell him/ loan him on the cheap to us. :D