Outgoings 2025

Surprised there’s not been more noise around Rashford regarding where he’ll end up. Leaving aside the inevitable comments of “who would want him/who could afford his wages?” his interview must have been done with some knowledge of a potential destination in January?

The likes of Shaw or Zirkzee leaving in January is something I don’t think will happen. I don’t believe those stories.
 
SamoyedSam said:
Crazy that anyone would allow Mainoo to go. He's come through the youth system and had a great season at a young age. He's had a tougher second season yes but you let the new manager work with and develop him, you just make make sure you aren't as reliant on a 19 year old.
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Ridiculous innit.

We desperately need a new CM to ease the pressure on him and allow him to mature and develop at a normal pace. Anyone suggesting he’s not good enough or should be sold must be WUMing or needs their head checked.
 
SamoyedSam said:
Crazy that anyone would allow Mainoo to go. He's come through the youth system and had a great season at a young age. He's had a tougher second season yes but you let the new manager work with and develop him, you just make make sure you aren't as reliant on a 19 year old.
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Crazy but not surprising - we have the most childish fanbase in football.

A few below par games in a dysfunctional setup and most posters now doubt he will make it as a Premier League level footballer.
 
Irwin99 said:
Surprised there’s not been more noise around Rashford regarding where he’ll end up. Leaving aside the inevitable comments of “who would want him/who could afford his wages?” his interview must have been done with some knowledge of a potential destination in January?

The likes of Shaw or Zirkzee leaving in January is something I don’t think will happen. I don’t believe those stories.
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Barcelona seemed like the front runners. Don’t know how when they can barely register Olmo.
 
Shane88 said:
I disagree. He isn't good enough. The most basic footballing skills seem a struggle with him. His runs are poor. 18 months here now and he can barely control a football when it's passed into him. He excels at nothing.

We're not a charity either. He doesn't get to be an apprentice striker who gets to learn for 4/5 years after we spent £60 million on him. Shit or get off the pot.
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His price is nothing to do with him but i'll have to agree to disagree with you on pretty much everything you've said here, but that's what it's all about :+1:
 
Another big test for INEOS and what we're all hoping is an upgrade in the club's executive - we'll exit Eriksen (lovely player at his best, a pity we haven't had him at his best) and Lindelof (incredible he's been here all this time) at the end of the season, but it's the potential in what's possible if we can play it smart (a big if I know). All of this with the aim of hiking our future buying power and giving Amorim an opportunity to show what he can do with a squad equipped for his system.

On which...Casemiro and Rashford are essential moves out because you can't pay non-performers £300K pw (both difficult deals of course); Martinez (he's not good enough: we need to be ruthless) could fetch a decent fee from Spain or Italy; and Garnacho should be considered as an early sale if we don't think he'll work out for us (again, there's a decent fee in here). Then you have Malacia (not good enough for the PL), Antony (also not good enough: I can still barely believe what we paid) and, probably, Zirkzee (better to sell sooner rather than later).

Add in Shaw (that we've clung on so long tells you how badly we've been run), Maguire (I'm very borderline over whether he's worth retaining for a bit), and Onana (too error-prone: we need to replace him, if we can get a good replacement), and it could be quite the year on moves out.
 
golden_blunder said:
This is where I tend to sit as well, though I do have a soft spot for Hojlund as his attitude is spot on

Whoops forgot Mainoo, I’d keep him too
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Yoro?

Personally, I'd definitely keep de Ligt as well. Agree with you on Hojlund though.
 
golden_blunder said:
I kinda figured Yoro wouldn’t be up for grabs
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I see him in the same bracket as Mainoo and Amad. The future of the team.

Generally people on here agree about the players they'd want to keep. Martinez, de Ligt, Hojlund, Onana, Dalot, Garnacho are sort of in the middle.
 
I would be good to understand what those clubs see in Luke Shaw and Zirkzee. How do they arrive at those two and have them on their target list of potential singings. They both have offered nothing recently, either on the pitch or on the recovery table.

I wouldn’t be against them leaving, plus C.Erik and V.Lind. Plus Casemiro, Evans and Antony…. All with players better suited to Ruben’s tactics coming in.

Marcus looks to have Irreconcilable issues and will be away most likely. However, Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho are hopefully part of the rebuild.
 
Bastian said:
I see him in the same bracket as Mainoo and Amad. The future of the team.

Generally people on here agree about the players they'd want to keep. Martinez, de Ligt, Hojlund, Onana, Dalot, Garnacho are sort of in the middle.
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Onana for me is not suitable. He’s too prone to big errors.

Dalot I’m still coming at a toss up between him and AWB. Good player, great attitude but I don’t think he’s all that as a player.

Martinez I think we have already seen the best of him, I don’t see him an anything more than a long term squad player.

Garnacho I don’t think will suit this system and probably doesn’t want to be a wing back. If the rumours of a 60m offer are true then I’d give it serious consideration
 
golden_blunder said:
This is where I tend to sit as well, though I do have a soft spot for Hojlund as his attitude is spot on

Whoops forgot Mainoo, I’d keep him too
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I don’t feel as strongly on Mainoo. Incredibly talented but think his lack of athleticism will always be an issue.
 
thebelfastboy said:
Think we're at a point of willing to listen to any acceptable offers. There's no-one that's not for sale....Mainoo, Garnacho, Bruno.... If there's money on the table that can be reinvested for the benefit of the squad/team then pull the trigger.
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Yeah forget that line about certain players being unsellable, times are desperate right now
 
Cultural reset of outgoings would be:

Bayandir
Evans (move into a non playing role in the club)
Lindelof
Malacia
Shaw
Dalot
Casemiro
Eriksen
Antony
Bruno
Rashford
Zirzkee

I’d give the likes of Mount, Hojilund, Onana, Garnacho, Maguire one more season.

The major issue with this is how many windows does it take to get rid of a dozen players and replace them with superior options? What a shambles.
 
Bastian said:
I see him in the same bracket as Mainoo and Amad. The future of the team.

Generally people on here agree about the players they'd want to keep. Martinez, de Ligt, Hojlund, Onana, Dalot, Garnacho are sort of in the middle.
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Onana and Dalot can go for me, we can definitely do better than them. Garnacho needs to improve his decision making as well. Yes we saw glimpses of the old Licha against City but not the player of that first season. Rasmus still needs that experienced striker to work with him and no sign of that
 
VivaRonaldo85 said:
Cultural reset of outgoings would be:

Bayandir
Evans (move into a non playing role in the club)
Lindelof
Malacia
Shaw
Dalot
Casemiro
Eriksen
Antony
Bruno
Rashford
Zirzkee

I’d give the likes of Mount, Hojilund, Onana, Garnacho, Maguire one more season.

The major issue with this is how many windows does it take to get rid of a dozen players and replace them with superior options? What a shambles.
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Why ?
 
We don't need to give every ex-united player a start at coaching. We gave him a nice contract for the end of his career, that's enough.
 
Every time I get tempted to comment on a post on our outgoings over the last 5years its utterly staggering how many are on the "do not feature long term" side of it.

It;s actually quite sad the state of playing squad is in - again. From Moyes on we've managed to transition the squad from bad to worse to good to bad to worse again. We've had, and do have some absolutely great players. What we haven't had since Fergie is a team that play together.

I think we've recruited worse than any other team in the last 5 years, easily. The ability of player we have signed on paper is quite good, it either hasn't worked due to the player not being able to adapt to the league or the expectation of the club. Not every transfer will be a hit, but something is off with ours as the trend has been a shocker. Leads me to think that the personality of the player is a bit off, we are littered with weak mentality in our squad currently. We don't have a team of work horses, or seem to have that edge when it comes to sharpness and self improvement. We're a bit Spursy really, good players who just come short at every chance and never really improve.

Players who won't feature long term:
Onana - Too error prone. Could have worked out, but need a fresh start for both
Bayinder - 2nd Choice keeper who seems content but not at the required level to step up
Evans - Contract
Lindelof - Literally amazing he's still here. The new Phil Jones - everyone just forgets he exists so he stays
Maguire - The comeback arc has been quite good, but he's the wrong age and profile of where we wanna go
Malacia - ETH saw something in him, hasn't worked out. Half decent player but not got a future here
Eriksen - Contract
Casemiro - Mega contract at the arse end of his career. Probably tainted his reputation coming here. Disaster of a signing
Rashford - 26yrs old and we will expect the fearless 18yr old Marcus. Has been rubbish for years. Time to cut loose
Anthony - Signed with huge promise, one of the most exciting RW in world football. Just hasn't worked
Sancho - Same as Anthony really. Just not improved at all

Players with Question marks:
Shaw - Injury record is a worry for both us who want him to play and potential buyers. Would be wise to replace him as starting LWB and use fleetingly until sold
Martinez - Not quite as solid in the back 3 as a 4. Worth keeping an eye on
Zirkzee - So many links back to Italy and he hasn't settled well. Still early days but not seeing much promise
Garnacho - Doesn't seem suited to the LWB role or the 10 role. Could be a casualty of Amorins system
Mount - Injury record is so poor. Season and a half and we have barely seen him
Dalot - Not suited to the LWB role, not suited to the CB role and we have better options at RWB. Biggest plus of staying is versatile cover, which says it all really. The modern day O'Shea, but more shit

That doesn't leave a lot of players we wouldn't entertain bids for, which is quite damning of where we are. Even with this, if someone came in with a big offer for say, Hojlund or De Ligt I wouldn't say we wouldn't consider it. We might well.

I'd make that as only: Yoro/Maz/Mainoo/Amad/Ugarte/ as the players in the squad that we would not entertain selling

Yet to see how Amorin will develop/use the youth, we have Amass, Gore, Collyer and Wheatley in the senior squad. Plenty of prospects as always to keep our eye on.
 
What’s the chance of us selling Zirkzee, Rashford, and Casemiro in January so we can sign wingback, striker, and midfielder in January?
 
Bwuk said:
I don’t feel as strongly on Mainoo. Incredibly talented but think his lack of athleticism will always be an issue.
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I don't think he lacks athleticism particularly but realistically at 19 we shouldn't be surprised that right now he looks really good in flashes but isn't good enough to control games yet. In an ideal world there's a guy ahead of him in the first team at this stage. Obviously that player doesn't currently exist so...
 
JE-365 said:
What’s the chance of us selling Zirkzee, Rashford, and Casemiro in January so we can sign wingback, striker, and midfielder in January?
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- Zirkzee was very highly rated in Italy and I believe we fought Milan to get him too, there should be demand for him, but not sure if we can recoup what we paid for him.
- Rash is a very unique case, lot of baggage and the manager of his new club will really need to convince them to put up the funds for him.
- Casemiro, the only option I see is Saudi, the money seems to have dried up there though, not really hearing about many signings there.
 
JE-365 said:
What’s the chance of us selling Zirkzee, Rashford, and Casemiro in January so we can sign wingback, striker, and midfielder in January?
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No chance of getting rid of Casemiro, links to Saudi are nonsense just like in the summer, stuck with him for 18 months. Zirkzee and Rashford I can only see going on loan, imagine few teams in Serie A would want Zirkzee but not sure who would take Rashford on decent terms.
 
I don’t think selling Zirkzee would be a big issue given his record in Italy. If we can sell him for EUR40m and use that money on a replacement striker, then I would be for it.
 
Craig Ward said:
Cos he was about during Fergie times and everyone who played under Fergies knows best and must influence how the club is run with no relevant experience. Obviously
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Or you know, because he’s a great professional who could be used as a good example to youth players coming through? Not sure anyone is advocating for him to be the next director of football.
 
Players that should be sold: Antony, Onana, Eriksen, Malacia, Bruno, Mount, Rashford, Zikzee, Casemiro, Shaw, Lindelof, Maguire, Evans. Easier said than done.
 
Casemiro, Eriksen, Lindelof, Rashford, Malacia and Bayindir should be gone this window in an ideal world. Very unlikely, will be happy if we manage to move half of that list.
 
Betis are close to selling Assamese Diao so if they are seriously interested in Antony on loan then that might happen soon.

I’m guessing they wouldn’t cover enough of his wages to sign someone directly but would be start of trying to free up some funds and he contributes very little.
 
Good to see few have mentioned already but Garnacho is absolutely finished in this system.

He's only good from playing wide (touchline hugging) and running invertedly but the issue with the wingbacks is they will occupy that space that he loves to begin moving inside from. The result is playing the 10 requires him to use his brain (he's closer to the opposition central midfielder and fullback) and he doesn't have intuition in his all round game to be effective.

So the next attacking player needs to be one who offers versatility and this is why Amad is the best attacker because he can come short, go wide, can run on the outside as well as inside his defender and has the weight of pass to be creative.

A player of interest for the left sided 10 despite him not doing well for United would have been Sancho. If I recall pre-season under ETH he was a threat when playing as a false 9, essentially picking up spaces in between the lines. He potentially could have thrived with Amorim's tutelage because the system fits the profile of player he is where he always has an option on his outside (as he did with Hakimi) and he's got the technical components to be neat when under pressure.

But in the winter / summer integral first team orientated players heading out should be: Rashford, Shaw, Garnacho, Martinez, Dalot and Bruno.
 
If the rumoured 60m bid comes in for Garnacho bite their hand off. Fixes FFP even before any Rashford shenanigans, he doesn't fit the system and doesn't seem to be the best team player.
 
Irwin99 said:
Surprised there’s not been more noise around Rashford regarding where he’ll end up. Leaving aside the inevitable comments of “who would want him/who could afford his wages?” his interview must have been done with some knowledge of a potential destination in January?

The likes of Shaw or Zirkzee leaving in January is something I don’t think will happen. I don’t believe those stories.
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I don't think there are any takers, certainly not at the level he was thinking of. I also think many clubs may be concerned he has a long-term injury, since his mobility and energy levels really have declined enormously since his back injury.
 
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