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[Nickosaur]

Watched episodes 3 and 4 last night. It's got off to a superb start.

My only negative is Wendy's 'turn', most evident in episode 3. Especially when she said 'i'm going to get into a fight with a hillbilly' to get Zeke back from Darlene, i just rolled my eyes. Seriously, you don't have enough on your plate right now? ffs.
I saw some comparisons to Skylar in Breaking Bad, but i never got the hate against Skylar, she had her family's best interests at heart. Whereas i feel Wendy doesn't..? She's just going a bit power hungry. Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. Maybe Marty being taken will shake her up and realise what a delicate and dangerous situation they are in.

 

[Solius]

Watched episodes 3 and 4 last night. It's got off to a superb start.

My only negative is Wendy's 'turn', most evident in episode 3. Especially when she said 'i'm going to get into a fight with a hillbilly' to get Zeke back from Darlene, i just rolled my eyes. Seriously, you don't have enough on your plate right now? ffs.
I saw some comparisons to Skylar in Breaking Bad, but i never got the hate against Skylar, she had her family's best interests at heart. Whereas i feel Wendy doesn't..? She's just going a bit power hungry. Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. Maybe Marty being taken will shake her up and realise what a delicate and dangerous situation they are in.

Wendy is more Heisenberg than Skylar.

 

[Massive Spanner]

It's been obvious since season two that Wendy is the one "breaking bad", not Marty. Not sure how you can say that moment in episode three was a "turn" for her.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Spoiler

Why was lawyer shot in the last scene? Did they explain or was it one of those mysterious endings?

 

[Nickosaur]

Thought that was a brilliant season. Great acting from Linney and in particular Tom Pelphrey as Ben. Episode 9 was so tragic, and his acting in the backseat of the taxi was insanely good.

 

[Norris]

Wow, the last episode of Season 3. I think Season 3 was easily the best of the three. This show is going from strength to strength. So many questions. Waiting for S4 eagerly now.

 

[Norris]

Spoiler

Why was lawyer shot in the last scene? Did they explain or was it one of those mysterious endings?

Spoiler

I think we always knew, one or the other would die. I think Wendy's point on ending the war for Navarro plus the fact that whatever the Byrde's were doing was to always strengthen his legitimate position. Helen, on the other hand, was only focussed on removing the Byrde's from the plan.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Last episode made up for an okay but not amazing season. The actor playing Ben was awful, no nuance whatsoever to his portrayal of a bipolar person (not that the writing helped). The romance between Wyatt and Darlene was just plain odd and uncomfortable. A lot of it was cliché and predictable... But it remains a thoroughly enjoyable watch, carried by Jason Bateman's understated performance, and Laura Kinney who grew into the part even more this season I thought. Helen was great too, in a bit of a caricature villainesque role, and it's definitely set things up well for at least a couple more seasons.

I’ve met/treated a lot of patients going through hypomanic episodes and his monologue in the taxi was the best and most realistic portrayal on tv/film of that particular illness I’ve seen. Acting and writing.

 

[thepolice123]

Was mildly bored by season 2 but season 3 just blows everything out of the water.

 

[RUUD_10_LEGEND]

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

Gutted they killed off Helen. Don't get the hatred for her on here, an awesome strong character

 

[Massive Spanner]

I’ve met/treated a lot of patients going through hypomanic episodes and his monologue in the taxi was the best and most realistic portrayal on tv/film of that particular illness I’ve seen. Acting and writing.

Yeah I'm no expert but I have 2 bipolar friends who I've seen have breakdowns before and I thought his portrayal was fecking excellent. One of those friends also said he was brilliant and that whole monologue felt very real. Not sure what Rooney in paris is on about?

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

Gutted they killed off Helen. Don't get the hatred for her on here, an awesome strong character

Spoiler

pretty sure people hate her because she's such a great character. You're supposed to hate her!

 

[Rooney in Paris]

I’ve met/treated a lot of patients going through hypomanic episodes and his monologue in the taxi was the best and most realistic portrayal on tv/film of that particular illness I’ve seen. Acting and writing.

I guess we'll just have to disagree - I lived with one and just felt his overall portrayal was closer to a caricature than anything else. Though in fairness I had forgotten the taxi scene which was well done.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I guess we'll just have to disagree - I lived with one and just felt his overall portrayal was closer to a caricature than anything else. Though in fairness I had forgotten the taxi scene which was well done.

No. You are not allowed to disagree!

Yeah, the taxi scene was what I was thinking of. Absolutely brilliant. So many little details that rang true. It definitely went into broader strokes from there. He was mainly stupid, rather than hypomanic, for the rest of the episode. I thought his acting was great throughout though.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Half way though S3, I was ready to give up after the first 3 eps of season 1, glad I stuck with it, loving it.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

No. You are not allowed to disagree!

Yeah, the taxi scene was what I was thinking of. Absolutely brilliant. So many little details that rang true. It definitely went into broader strokes from there. He was mainly stupid, rather than hypomanic, for the rest of the episode. I thought his acting was great throughout though.

I kept getting distracted due to him looking so much like Keanu Reeves.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

I kept getting distracted due to him looking so much like Keanu Reeves.

this is also true

 

[Organic Potatoes]

I have lived with bi-polar/or/manic depressive family members before, and his depiction made me uncomfortable because of its realism...and not just because he looked like Keanu Reeves.

 

[VP89]

I've skipped all posts in this thread and just wanted to share I'm in Season 2 episode 9, and Wendy is comfortably the most annoying as feck character I've seen on TV and I'm really hoping she gets bumped in the show.

 

[stepic]

Last episode made up for an okay but not amazing season. The actor playing Ben was awful, no nuance whatsoever to his portrayal of a bipolar person (not that the writing helped). The romance between Wyatt and Darlene was just plain odd and uncomfortable. A lot of it was cliché and predictable... But it remains a thoroughly enjoyable watch, carried by Jason Bateman's understated performance, and Laura Kinney who grew into the part even more this season I thought. Helen was great too, in a bit of a caricature villainesque role, and it's definitely set things up well for at least a couple more seasons.

Agree with this. Thought season 3 was very hit and miss. The brother subplot just seemed a bit of a distraction, and by the end I was glad they killed him off (why didn’t they just put him back on his meds when he was clearly spiralling out of control?). The romance between Darlene and Wyatt was one of the most uncomfortable things of all, ugh.

I guess I also haven’t gotten over Wendy not wanting to escape at the end of season 2. I didn’t quite believe the ‘turn’ of hers. yeah, she had a taste of power but she also has a family and kids and surely that’s far more important.

but overall still a great show and now I’m at a bit of a loss to what to watch now.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Ben better get his Emmy!

 

[El-Manos]

Great show. Surprised I only started watching it a few weeks ago.

 

[VP89]

Wendy is supremely annoying - I prefer season 2 to season 3 personally.

Still a very good show, mind.

 

[Amar__]

Finally finished this. Good season overall, but it's nowhere near BB level. Jason Bateman actually having some role in this season unlike in season 2 where he was anonymous for majority of the season. And yes, Wendy is basically Walter White.

Last episode made up for an okay but not amazing season. The actor playing Ben was awful, no nuance whatsoever to his portrayal of a bipolar person (not that the writing helped). The romance between Wyatt and Darlene was just plain odd and uncomfortable. A lot of it was cliché and predictable... But it remains a thoroughly enjoyable watch, carried by Jason Bateman's understated performance, and Laura Kinney who grew into the part even more this season I thought. Helen was great too, in a bit of a caricature villainesque role, and it's definitely set things up well for at least a couple more seasons.

I agree with pretty much everything, except that the actor playing Ben wasn't awful, I would say his character is awful, and the writing around that role was very inconsistent, even if he was bipolar. I thought after his 2 episodes in they stared using different actor because he started even dressing differently. That taxi scene was good though.

 

[PoTMS]

Wait, is someone seriously suggesting Tom Pelphrey was awful in his role as Ben? Only on Redcafe...

 

[BluesJr]

Wait, is someone seriously suggesting Tom Pelphrey was awful in his role as Ben? Only on Redcafe...

Are you surprised? This place is wild.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

Incredible, people having different opinions on things

 

[Rooney in Paris]

 

[Twins]

I would.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Wait, is someone seriously suggesting Tom Pelphrey was awful in his role as Ben? Only on Redcafe...

What!? He stole the show in the last few episodes.

 

[Jacko21]

Just finished season 3 having binged watched the first two.

Struggled with the first season. Too many drawn out sequences.

But season 2 really picked up. And season 3 is on another level entirely.

 

[SirAnderson]

I've skipped all posts in this thread and just wanted to share I'm in Season 2 episode 9, and Wendy is comfortably the most annoying as feck character I've seen on TV and I'm really hoping she gets bumped in the show.

I'm currently where every single fecking character is annoying as feck. But yeah, she takes the cake.

 

[SirAnderson]

Weirdly, season 1 and 2 were the best for me.
I have 2 more episodes to go with season 3 and it's honestly been a drag for me, can't understand why tbh, it is just it's okay, but it's like missing something for me. I keep on waiting for that "wtf" moments like I experienced in Season 1 at 2 at regular intervals through the seasons.

Also in the first 2 seasons, I couldn't wait to see what happened next when an episode finished and just binged it as quickly as I could.
I've gotten season 3 since the day it dropped and still haven't finished it.

 

[SirAnderson]

Wait, is someone seriously suggesting Tom Pelphrey was awful in his role as Ben? Only on Redcafe...

I'd say I didn't like the character, not the actor. His brilliant, the characters not.
I loved him on Banshee, think that's when I first came across him.

 

[Flamingo Purple]

Loved the use of Radiohead track at the end of the first episode.

Just watched the first episode and the ending with the Radiohead track blew me away.

 

[MrMarcello]

Finally binged season three. Thoroughly enjoyed. However, I do have qualms over...

Spoiler

You don't blow a mob boss' son's dick off and live, nor show up on his turf and try to make a deal. And even if the boss chose money over his son being untouchable, there would be a revolt within his empire. His capos and soldiers would lose trust in him and would likely end up in a Castellano-style plot. Perhaps that does occur in the following season.

 

[RedFish]

Finally binged season three. Thoroughly enjoyed. However, I do have qualms over...

Spoiler

You don't blow a mob boss' son's dick off and live, nor show up on his turf and try to make a deal. And even if the boss chose money over his son being untouchable, there would be a revolt within his empire. His capos and soldiers would lose trust in him and would likely end up in a Castellano-style plot. Perhaps that does occur in the following season.

Spoiler

you don't shoot a cartel man's head off either but she did because she's a psycho bitch.

 

[Flamingo Purple]

Finished first 2 seasons of this and apart from some pretty stereotypical choice of characters and plot holes it's entertaining and has brilliant musical at times. Pretty distinct from Breaking Bad and apart from involving a family and a drug cartel I don't really see the comparison.

Main thing I can't understand and I think someone mentioned it previously in the thread, is why there's a blurred line between giving money away and money laundering? The Brydes were never money laundering by building a church for free or by donating to charities. Unless I'm missing something here.

 

[Amar__]

Main thing I can't understand and I think someone mentioned it previously in the thread, is why there's a blurred line between giving money away and money laundering? The Brydes were never money laundering by building a church for free or by donating to charities. Unless I'm missing something here.

Yep, I mentioned it earlier too.

 

[ThierryHenry]

Finally binged season three. Thoroughly enjoyed. However, I do have qualms over...

Spoiler

You don't blow a mob boss' son's dick off and live, nor show up on his turf and try to make a deal. And even if the boss chose money over his son being untouchable, there would be a revolt within his empire. His capos and soldiers would lose trust in him and would likely end up in a Castellano-style plot. Perhaps that does occur in the following season.

I loved the third season but agree, they were stretching credibility there. Maybe the fourth season will return to that thread, but it didn't seem a believable response from the Kansas lot.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Finished first 2 seasons of this and apart from some pretty stereotypical choice of characters and plot holes it's entertaining and has brilliant musical at times. Pretty distinct from Breaking Bad and apart from involving a family and a drug cartel I don't really see the comparison.

Main thing I can't understand and I think someone mentioned it previously in the thread, is why there's a blurred line between giving money away and money laundering? The Brydes were never money laundering by building a church for free or by donating to charities. Unless I'm missing something here.

They used the casino, strip club and hotel to launder money i.e. get cash into the banking system. The next step was getting that money back to the cartel. He couldn’t just do bank transfers. So he would overpay cartel shell companies for services (fitting out hotel/building the church) End result, dirty cash ends up as clean money in legitimate business accounts.