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I like Park.SAF always trusts him for the big games.But yesterday he looked like a player short of match fittness it was a gamble that never paid off.
 

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Not his fault, was an absolutely fecking retarded decision to play him in this game given his lack of recent game time. He was always going to do bad. Not sure about selling him, could very well be the right thing to do, but to blame him and not SAF for his performance in last night's game is stupid.
 

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Not his fault, was an absolutely fecking retarded decision to play him in this game given his lack of recent game time. He was always going to do bad. Not sure about selling him, could very well be the right thing to do, but to blame him and not SAF for his performance in last night's game is stupid.
He's been awful for awhile. But I agree. You can't really blame a player when he's been off color and has to play in a game like that as an integral part of the side. It wasn't going to work.
 

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Saw this stat earlier

Ji Sung Park, Manchester United's "big game" player, has the following results in his last 11 starts: LLWLLLWLLLL
 

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I'd imagine that's the last time we'll see him playing for United, given that we NEED to win the last two games of the season. He'll be gone thing summer - he's had an absolutely appalling season, and as with Berbatov he's not really helping our 'play faster' approach.

Which is a shame, I've always really really liked Park. It's sad to see him like this.
 

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Wha..? How is that even possible?!
League: Blackburn, Newcastle, City

Champs League: Basel

Europa League: Atletic Bilbao x2 Ajax

Carling Cup: Crystal Palace

FA Cup: Liverpool


Horrendous stat. ...backed up with the only 5 times Giggs and Park started together This season...we lost. It's fair to say he's no longer the big game player he was
 

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Horrendous stat. ...backed up with the only 5 times Giggs and Park started together This season...we lost. It's fair to say he's no longer the big game player he was
All these statistics just make it bleeding obvious that we should never have have gone with both Giggs and Park. I wouldn't' have picked either of them but both of them was pure madness. I just can't see the logic behind it. And stats show that it was a decision that we were going to pay for.
 

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Fergie has thing he does where he likes to play his more exerienced heads in games against local rivals because he believes they understand the significance. But I think at some point it's set off by too many other opposing factors. And this was such one such case for me. We're hardly talking about Giggs of 09 (when he won PFA) and Park of pre 2012 who would charge about the field winning 50 50's all over the pitch. He's paid in a sense for going for a formula which he believes in which clearly works generally but was flawed in the given circumstances of the components not being in tip top shape.,
 

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He has lost the power of his extra lung. He also has a tendency to fall over quite easily.
 

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This season the lad has not been united quality. I doubt he would get in another top 6 prem side.
His record recently has been shocking he is another growing list of players who will play well one in six games; which unfortuately will redeem him for another month or two.
 

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This season the lad has not been united quality. I doubt he would get in another top 6 prem side.
His record recently has been shocking he is another growing list of players who will play well one in six games; which unfortuately will redeem him for another month or two.
Sad but true and despite being one of his fervent admirers it's time to move on for him and Utd.He'd be fine at one of the teams coming up from the Championship
 

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Him starting last night was a shocking decision, absolutely shocking, it wasn't merited and there was absolutely no way it was going to come off. I cannot see how he was chosen ahead of Valencia, there was no logic to it. I saw people running down those who were bitching about him starting in the line up in the matchday thread. Those people seriously need to have a word with themselves.
 

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I like Park. He's always gave 100%, he has a great attitude and he's been a big game player for us.

But I think now he's come to the end of the road at the club. I think he needs to be moved on.
 

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I like Park. He's always gave 100%, he has a great attitude and he's been a big game player for us.

But I think now he's come to the end of the road at the club. I think he needs to be moved on.
Spot on. He has been a great servant to the club, and has had some great moments here (his 2 goals against Wolves last season, for one), but now he really needs to go.
 

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It is sad to see how far he has declined so quickly. I hope he moves on to a league more in line with his current ability this summer.
 

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Sir Alex is usually the king of making sure the squad players get enough game time so that, when it's late in the season and it really matters, they're comfortable in the team and ready to perform. This season, for whatever reason, Park never really got any kind of game time, I don't think anyone was expecting a big performance from him outside of the coaching staff, for that reason combined with his mediocre form when he has been out there.
 

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I don't think he's declined as much as people seem to think.

Contrary to misconception, players of Park's type need game to get their rhythm - stamina based players invariably lose their edge if they don't play regularly.

Why was anyone surprised that he was so leggy on Monday? He hadn't played since the end of January.
 

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He should not have been picked in the squad never mind in the first eleven, players like Cleverley and to a lesser extent Pogba should be ahead of him when it comes to being considered...
 
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I don't think he's declined as much as people seem to think.

Contrary to misconception, players of Park's type need game to get their rhythm - stamina based players invariably lose their edge if they don't play regularly.

Why was anyone surprised that he was so leggy on Monday? He hadn't played since the end of January.
It's his touch and awareness that worried me above all. It was uncharacteristically poor. Personally I didn't think he looked that leggy at all. He just seemed lost. Which is strange for an intelligent player like he is.
 

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If people want to see how much Park has declined look at his earlier years with United. Even last year he was still difficult to push off the ball. His early year he had a great ability to move with the ball and not get pushed off it.

That terrier edge along with one of his lungs are gone. Even last year you could see he was starting to lose puff even in the chelsea game when he dropped off around 70 minutes.
 

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I may have to take back my defence of Park a few pages back... maybe his legs are gone. Though when you don't start a game for however long and are thrown into a game of this magnitude...
If you look back to his games from his early years with us, you can see that he was much more mobile then. Because he was in his mid 20's.
 

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Saw this stat earlier

Ji Sung Park, Manchester United's "big game" player, has the following results in his last 11 starts: LLWLLLWLLLL
Thats insane.

My heart says we should give him another year, mind says we're better off buying a young player there we can develop.
 

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Monday was the type of performance I've been seeing from Park for about 18 months.
The ONLY one where his lack of technical ability was not my overriding memory after watching him play was the home league win over Chelsea last year.
Even I was forced to concede he had a good game.
Other than that, yes he has popped up with important goals here and there, but the quality of his performances have been very poor but more often than not hidden/ignored because invariably we have won games.
I'm surprised by the surprise on here about his performance on Monday.
I just imagine/hope that will be the performance that broke the camel's back for SAF.
 

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I remember a stage in the game where we just couldn't get hold of the ball, Nani did well in possesion and played a simple ball into Park who proceeded to fall over, the look on Nani & Rooney's faces.
 

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For me, the problem with Park is two-fold. First, he seems to have lost his third lung and along with it his legs. He isn't able to cover great distances the way he once did.

Secondly, I think he must be the worst passer of the game, but perhaps more importantly the worst receiver of the ball; it is like he was born to late and never adapted. All passes seem to just about elude him - very annoying to watch!

He's very likeable, but I don't think he is good enough for the team, unfortunately.
 

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Further to my post above, it might be too late but I'll highlight it anyway in case we do see him again.
Next time he plays, watch how many promising moves end at his feet - it's laughably bad for a professional, international attacking player.
 

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I don't think he's declined as much as people seem to think.

Contrary to misconception, players of Park's type need game to get their rhythm - stamina based players invariably lose their edge if they don't play regularly.

Why was anyone surprised that he was so leggy on Monday? He hadn't played since the end of January.
and even the games he did play regularly in this season, he didn't perform well. I dont remember him having a good performance all season. It's more about getting rhythm. It certainly helps but it doesn't hide the fact that Park isn't at the same level he was last year.

Even if he hasn't declined as much as we all think, it's enough to make him be just a squad player rather than a regular. He wasn't necessarily a regular last season but he did have a lot more good performances.
 

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I remember a stage in the game where we just couldn't get hold of the ball, Nani did well in possesion and played a simple ball into Park who proceeded to fall over, the look on Nani & Rooney's faces.
absolutely. it's demoralizing to say the least. we had no outlet and most of the time we tried to build an attack, it broke down
 

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Further to my post above, it might be too late but I'll highlight it anyway in case we do see him again.
Next time he plays, watch how many promising moves end at his feet - it's laughably bad for a professional, international attacking player.
You are quite right! Simple passes coming his way where he stumbles and loses the ball, then bust his three lungs getting back and hailed a hero... No, he is just not good enough! No doubt that we need a defensive central midfielder, but Park is not the answer to that.
 

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Further to my post above, it might be too late but I'll highlight it anyway in case we do see him again.
Next time he plays, watch how many promising moves end at his feet - it's laughably bad for a professional, international attacking player.
I did vs City, in the first half he lost the ball 9 out of 11 times when someone passed it to him. In the second half I was too busy being mad about the score so didn't keep track anymore.