Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances

Gavinb33 said:
That's odd because he had pretty big break in PL games with his ban
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It seems as though he’s played every minute for which he was eligible. He just needs to be relied on less and not be an automatic starter for us. With meaningless PL games coming up I’m sure Amorim will lean heavily into squad rotation to prepare us for Athletic Club.
 
A 20 year old guy, his first season in the PL and everyone is after him. Though its really on the club - they have stocked up on really young talented players who are expected to be first teamers and win physical and tactical battles against rest of the PL.
 
His ability to hold off the full back and hold on to the ball in possession for a few extra seconds can't be overstated. This team is crying out for players that can hold the ball.
 
It would have been nice for the transfer business in Amorim's tenure to start with a cleverly targeted signing who is clearly ready to make a step up and obviously elevate our team's performances.

Instead I feel like once again we're clutching at straws of potential, and it's hard not fear that we've bought yet player displaying pretty average ability, and we will now have to spend 2-3 seasons learning that he needs to be upgraded on if we have ambitions of getting back to the top level.
 
Right now he is an upgrade at 20, and he has played about 10 games in a new league in a non-functioning team in a new system etc... WtF are you expecting to happen. He is not Hernandez or Evra or Marcelo, but they wouldnt have been either at this point in this situation. Dorgu is the unfinished product. If not, he would have cost us a lot more.
 
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He was a little too much into the physical confrontation side of things, where he did well with 7 tackles in 58 mins which is a lot. He was also penalized for 2 fouls on the other side of it. But he did put in 2 good crosses that looked better than his delivery from the left side. So he looks a better fit on the right for now, especially with Amass doing well on the left
 
Amass off the left looks better. Not a bad thing means we can rotate when either one inevitably has a bad game. Did put in two nice crosses that any competent forward would have attacked but we don't do that at United.
 
Ekeke said:
He was a little too much into the physical confrontation side of things, where he did well with 7 tackles in 58 mins which is a lot. He was also penalized for 2 fouls on the other side of it. But he did put in 2 good crosses that looked better than his delivery from the left side. So he looks a better fit on the right for now, especially with Amass doing well on the left
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Not that I'm going to watch the game again, I'm not sure I would say he 'did well'. Most of the time he let players get goal side of him and he didn't really win anything cleanly. I thought he was awful defensively as he was just another body that doesn't do much effectively. I mean, sure, he was in the vicinity of the player on the ball, got shoulder to shoulder and sort of helped Mazraoui doubling up but he didn't stop much. Bad body positioning, tussling etc.

Two decent crosses, didn't get the ball out of his feet much, didn't play any decent progressive passes or run with it.

He's been shocking the last 3-4 games for me.
 
criticalanalysis said:
Not that I'm going to watch the game again, I'm not sure I would say he 'did well'. Most of the time he let players get goal side of him and he didn't really win anything cleanly. I thought he was awful defensively as he was just another body that doesn't do much effectively. I mean, sure, he was in the vicinity of the player on the ball, got shoulder to shoulder and sort of helped Mazraoui doubling up but he didn't stop much. Bad body positioning, tussling etc.

Two decent crosses, didn't get the ball out of his feet much, didn't play any decent progressive passes or run with it.

He's been shocking the last 3-4 games for me.
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I can see why you would think that. Just from watching the game I wasnt expecting to see 7 tackles won and 2 fouls given away, but those are the stats. It looked more of a 50/50 grimy tussle on the eye test between him and his opponents

I agree that other than the in swinging crosses he didnt do much going forward.
 
elmo said:
He should be playing over Dalot on the right if Amass keeps up his form on the left.
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He really shouldn’t , tbh it could be another poor signing considering Amass looks better than him and we’ve Leon arriving in the summer
 
elmo said:
He should be playing over Dalot on the right if Amass keeps up his form on the left.
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He absolutely shouldn't. Dalot can be an idiot, but he's miles better than Dorgu on either side.
 
Frank White said:
Amass off the left looks better. Not a bad thing means we can rotate when either one inevitably has a bad game. Did put in two nice crosses that any competent forward would have attacked but we don't do that at United.
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Our wing backs don't get the credit they deserve because of this. He should have had a couple of assists in this apparent 'bad' run he's having.
 
Smores said:
Our wing backs don't get the credit they deserve because of this. He should have had a couple of assists in this apparent 'bad' run he's having.
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Not overtly worried about him he's a kid come from a different league, thrown into a shower shite season halfway through. Full summer to learn will do him wonders.
 
Idxomer said:
He absolutely shouldn't. Dalot can be an idiot, but he's miles better than Dorgu on either side.
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Godfather said:
No. Dalot is fine
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Dalot has been shit all season and has had worse games than Dorgu but sure let’s give up on the new signing that’s still trying to get used to the league.

It’s fecking bonkers how much leeway some players get.
 
elmo said:
Dalot has been shit all season and has had worse games than Dorgu but sure let’s give up on the new signing that’s still trying to get used to the league.

It’s fecking bonkers how much leeway some players get.
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He's played himself into some good form again recently and Dorgu has been pretty wank recently so I think it's a no brainer who should start on the right
 
elmo said:
Dalot has been shit all season and has had worse games than Dorgu but sure let’s give up on the new signing that’s still trying to get used to the league.

It’s fecking bonkers how much leeway some players get.
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If he’s still trying to get used to the league (which I agree with), why would we play him ahead of a player who at this moment is outperforming him? I can think of no better way to stunt his development.
 
I thought we looked quite good in the first half with Dorgu on one wing and Amass on the other. Those crosses he put into the box were exactly the right sort that we needed, but we didn't have anyone at the end to put them away. The main thing is that we have several different options now, which is only a good thing. When Amad comes back, we then another option and can be more fluid with our approach and with regards to who plays where.
 
Ekeke said:
I can see why you would think that. Just from watching the game I wasnt expecting to see 7 tackles won and 2 fouls given away, but those are the stats. It looked more of a 50/50 grimy tussle on the eye test between him and his opponents

I agree that other than the in swinging crosses he didnt do much going forward.
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That's why stats can be misleading. To be fair, I'm not criticising if he was going in on 'proper' 50/50 situations and did well to jostle/compete. I'm criticising because I felt he let players very easily get goal side of him and he would then start the defending from there i.e from behind and as a result didn't stop their momentum, make good interceptions or blocks. Similar or same with Eriksen. Very amateurish. Lose the ball and instead of getting goal side, try to tackle from behind, one arm on shoulder type of thing and in the mean time watch them progress the ball 5-15 yards and then pass it off. To be fair a lot of our team do that but they are probably the worse.
 
jem said:
If he’s still trying to get used to the league (which I agree with), why would we play him ahead of a player who at this moment is outperforming him? I can think of no better way to stunt his development.
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Godfather said:
He's played himself into some good form again recently and Dorgu has been pretty wank recently so I think it's a no brainer who should start on the right
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The league campaign is mainly for development purpose now and trying to bed players in to see who should play a bigger role next season.

Dalot doesn’t need more game time, everyone knows he should be a backup at best if we want to be a good team. It’s for the club’s best interest to see if Dorgu can potentially be a starter next season.
 
Red00012 said:
Amorim said we will see Amad in May , and we are playing the 1st leg in May !
Send Dalot over to the left with Amad on the right
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I'm sure you watched Dalot play on the left before Dorgu got here, do you really think he played better?
 
Red00012 said:
I just don’t see it with Dorgu to be honest , after yesterday I think Amass could be an option
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It's very early for Amass, it's only a couple of matches ago that he was bullied by Newcastle, that match demonstrated clearly how far ahead Dorgu is physically.
 
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The Hilton said:
It's very early for Amass, it's only a couple of matches ago that he was bullied by Newcastle, that match demonstrated clearly how far ahead Dorgu if physically.
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The only “bullying “ I saw v Newcastle was with Schar tussling with a corner. There was nothing else
 
Red00012 said:
The only “bullying “ I saw v Newcastle was with Schar tussling with a corner. There was nothing else
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He was physically outmatched, it was clear as day, directly at fault for the second Newcastle goal too, and for all his technical skill and ability, Dorgu managed to pass more and with better accuracy despite being on the pitch around half the time.

If Amass was ready we wouldn't have brought in Dorgu, he just isn't there yet. In a few years it's possible he could be great, but Dorgu's physicality is key to this team, as we're often physically dominated across the pitch by teams in the PL.
 
Dorgu had a good start but recent performances have seen a big drop off for me. His passing and general ball retention seems very loose and I haven’t seen much in the way of end product (although there is an argument that a lack of CF doesn’t help that).

He is still a kid and I think like many, a summer reboot could be really good for his development in this team (and system).

Replacing him with Amass after one good performance is ridiculous talk as we should have options in all positions and form will dictate who plays. This season (in the league) will and should be used to rotate, blood youngsters and give players who have struggled with constant injuries (ie Mount) sensible game time.
 
Zero goals, zero assists.
Keep on saying he's bobbins in and around the opponents penalty box. We've already got a Dane firing blanks every week. Now we've got another.
 
The Hilton said:
He was physically outmatched, it was clear as day, directly at fault for the second Newcastle goal too, and for all his technical skill and ability, Dorgu managed to pass more and with better accuracy despite being on the pitch around half the time.

If Amass was ready we wouldn't have brought in Dorgu, he just isn't there yet. In a few years it's possible he could be great, but Dorgu's physicality is key to this team, as we're often physically dominated across the pitch by teams in the PL.
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No he wasn’t x2
Directly at fault would mean making a mistake , giving the ball away in the lead up to the goal .
 
Red00012 said:
No he wasn’t x2
Directly at fault would mean making a mistake , giving the ball away in the lead up to the goal .
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He did exactly that, threw himself off the pitch after a ball he was never reaching, which left an easy square ball across the 6 yard box for a tap in.

The key point in that post was about the physicality though, surely you can agree that Dorgu is much further developed physically.
 
The Hilton said:
He did exactly that, threw himself off the pitch after a ball he was never reaching, which left an easy square ball across the 6 yard box for a tap in.

The key point in that post was about the physicality though, surely you can agree that Dorgu is much further developed physically.
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Compared to who
 
I for one am worried that Amorim's first signing, after a decent start, has quickly evolved into one of our worst players.

Just saying.
 
Erics_Collar said:
I for one am worried that Amorim's first signing, after a decent start, has quickly evolved into one of our worst players.

Just saying.
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They would have known he was extremely raw when signing him. He definitely needs some work, but its early days yet
 
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