We have Amass and the Leon kid joining in Summer. Yes, we went for another potential in Dorgu.
Seriously, heads needs to roll.
Seriously, heads needs to roll.
Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances
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I don't feel he's been off the pace, I don't think he's been as bad as people are making out. He's been competing well enough physically. He wins a lot of free kicks.
He's just not very good at passing, crossing or shooting. Which ain't ideal in a wing back.
He looks miles off to be fair. Hope he learns and adapts quickly.
Again, one can only hope, but Evra and Vidic didn't look good at anything in that half season which isn't ideal for any position!
Thing is I'd watched Evra and his mate Rothen (sp?) terrorise teams on that left side in the CL before we bought him, so there was something at least to cling on to.
I didn't even know Dorgu existed before we were linked, so I'm clinging to hope based on nothing at all.
I don't see it with Amass, Dorgu and have yet to see Diego Leon play.
Dorgu may develop into a good player or not, but we cannot have a transfer policy of hopefully and maybe.
Not seeing it so far but hopefully (ahem) he can improve.
Every transfer for every club is a gamble in one way or another, your job in football is to gamble better than your opposition. Only time will tell if we are doing that or not at this point.
I think Amass just lacks physicality and experience (both which should come with age)
He needs to seriously improve over the summer if he's meant to be our first choice LWB next season.
I stand by this. Dorgu just seems lazy.
My 16 year old son calls me a hater when I lose my shit over Dorgu's so called 'performances' this season, but it really rubs me the wrong way seeing him jogging out there without a care in the world.
The funny thing is we had a boat load of posts praising his physicality when he's lacking in big areas. It was obvious when he moved here too but they kept saying it!
He looks so far out of his depth so far. Not a good start I'm afraid.
I would say its pretty damning, we have too many spaces to fill in the starting eleven to be signing players who might only be good enough as substitutes at best because we feel like we need someone quick
I also find it hard to imagine there isn't someone better out there that could have been identified in the time they had e.g. After anorim was appointed
Obviously he is very strong physically and a great athlete. That does not mean a 20 year old is ready to consistently dominate fully grown men with years of experience in the most physical league in the world.
Plenty players are strong physically and great athletes. He was meant to have more in that relative skill set and he doesn't. He gets bullied quite easily in tight positions, he often shows no explosiveness and he's very often flat footed on his heels during defensive and attack actions.
Physicality isn't just "is this guy strong" by the way.
Can he develop on theses weaknesses? Yes. But we bought him on a supposed premise that he already has this and needed to develop other areas. In reality he has to develop in every facet and it's mind boggling why we spent so much money on him. We had people defending the fee when it was so clear it was a big amount for someone needing to improve everywhere.
Again, one can only hope, but Evra and Vidic didn't look good at anything in that half season which isn't ideal for any position!
Thing is I'd watched Evra and his mate Rothen (sp?) terrorise teams on that left side in the CL before we bought him, so there was something at least to cling on to.
I didn't even know Dorgu existed before we were linked, so I'm clinging to hope based on nothing at all.
That's the nature of signing young players who are only just getting going in their careers.
If we'd signed Evra at 20 you'd likely know nothing about him either.
I understand your point, but Evra might not be the proper example. He was a Champions League finalist with Monaco, and one of the hottest left-backs in Europe, and there were 3 teams really in for him, Juve, Arsenal and Inter.
Where is the white text?
Not sure in what actually he does excel? I understand that he is young and for the future, but I am yet to understand in what does he stand out compared to peers. Not the strongest or fastest, obviously lacking in technical areas, nothin that reeks of 30m buy.
Obviously, but I'm not insinuating that he'll fail because I didn't know him (didn't know Vodoc either)
I'm just hoping he turns it around like they did, especially considering he did have decent numbers. Evra and Vidic looked like a waste of space early on
If he was 23/24 years old with over 200 professional games under his belt and turning in these performances, I’d be worried.
But he’s barely out of teenagehood and played just over 50 games before joining us. Obviously the hierarchy have seen something there that they think can be worked on and brought to full potential.
I am interested to see if he can play both LWB and RWB well enough. That kind of versatility is worth the £30m or so we paid for him if he ends up like that.
But he’s barely out of teenagehood and played just over 50 games before joining us. Obviously the hierarchy have seen something there that they think can be worked on and brought to full potential.
I am interested to see if he can play both LWB and RWB well enough. That kind of versatility is worth the £30m or so we paid for him if he ends up like that.
Dorgu has looked generally useful in Europe, especially going forward and testing opponents' high-line/press. He wasn't good on Sunday, but not sure where this idea that he never beats opponents comes from. I think it's a combination of needing to adjust to the league and his inexperience getting exposed more playing in a slightly mishmash line-up (especially with changes, which were necessary to blood players and rest people). It makes him hesitate a bit more, which is often fatal against PL intensity. Strength and speed are there, and he has the potential to be a useful 'crossing' WB
I hope he kicks on as well but it won't happen as quickly as it did with Evra and Vidic. This isn't just a player needing half a season to adjust his game.
He’s a better suited to the Prem than Malacia. But the eye test says there are better fullbacks/wingbacks out there for what this team could become.
I watched Rayan Aït-Nouri highlights before he signed for wolves and thought he was built in the Marcelo mould. Fluid, technical, pacey
I look at Dorgu and I see a bit of Valencia at best. Strength(ish), pace, decent but not dynamic delivery, a little rigid.
I know what type of fullback I’d rather target.
I watched Rayan Aït-Nouri highlights before he signed for wolves and thought he was built in the Marcelo mould. Fluid, technical, pacey
I look at Dorgu and I see a bit of Valencia at best. Strength(ish), pace, decent but not dynamic delivery, a little rigid.
I know what type of fullback I’d rather target.
For some inexplicably reason, I kinda like the kid. He's hardworking, seems like down-to-earth kid, and a pretty decent footballer.
He's so young and only 3 months into a new job, and probably still have so many things to deal with on and off the pitch.
That's the cost of buying this really young player. Unless you pay Yoro's money for an obvious talent, there are usually so much uncertain things to work on.
He's so young and only 3 months into a new job, and probably still have so many things to deal with on and off the pitch.
That's the cost of buying this really young player. Unless you pay Yoro's money for an obvious talent, there are usually so much uncertain things to work on.
As a youngster, Denzel Dumfries was mocked for his lack of technical ability, but he remained determined to become a professional. He proved his doubters wrong, later reflecting on his journey in an interview with Voetbal International.
This reminded me of Dorgu, hope our boy makes it the same way as Dumfries.
This reminded me of Dorgu, hope our boy makes it the same way as Dumfries.
Me too.
I feel like the issues he has can be worked on, while his strengths (athleticism, pace and power) are things that can’t really be coached.
Give him a good preseason to get up to speed with Amorims system and I reckon he has a big season next year.
I think he has a lot more to show than he has so far. I'm not saying he's good enough, just better than this.
The signs are still good for the longterm. The problem is we needed a short or medium term solution at wingback and right now he has some areas that can easily cost us. Things like making poor decisions and giving the ball away with loose passes in his own half.
Regardless of how physically gifted a player is, if he doesnt become more focused and improve his concentration and decision making he might not make it here. But its impossible to say as there are players who are like that their whole career and there are others who had it click not much older than Dorgu
I think in 2 seasons Dorgu will be good overall but I'm not sure his errors will be gone.
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Yes, he still has a lot of developping to be done. I’ll still say he has had a positive short term effect simply in how his attributes allow the team to play a bit closer to Amorim’s ideas, which has improved our general play since his arrival (not our quality in the boxes though).
It struck me upon seeing the more coveted Nuno Mendez having a mare on the ball (while still being useful in keeping out Saka) against Arsenal yesterday, how bad a player’s basic skills can appear when he’s unsure of them.
It will be interesting to follow Dorgu’s trajectory.
Unfortunately he gets played on the right sometimes. It is really irritating to see an away swinging ball from the fullback as it will look good when it goes in the six yard box but your striker has no chance of reaching it.
Hopefully. I'm guessing he'd need at least another 2 seasons to improve his overall play. Our wingbacks really needs to improve a lot.
Decision making comes with age. And I agreed that he's most likely not a short term solution to our wingback. Probably not in another 2 seasons, like you said.
We can probably get by with him, if the other side wingback provides short-term solution.
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Really poor first half but the way that he combined with Amad was definitely interesting..
Good game.
He's certainly raw, but he was our biggest threat in the first half.
Some sloppy passes as usual. But so dynamic and he makes things happen.
Inconsistent, some good, some bad. But he's got genuine potential if he can reduce the errors.
A bit like Bambi on ice sometimes. Some really poor passes and lacks composure - but he makes things happen, and makes space. Lots of potential.
He actually is capable to play proper passes so it must be brain fecks when he misplaces 3 yarders.
oh god he reminds me if welbeck now that the poster above mentioned Bambi
Still very raw. Can frustrate but he is seldom anonymous. Could've had 2 assists today.