Patrick Dorgu | 2024/25 Performances

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Sure he's a bit overwhelming how raw he is and already starting because we have nobody else on the left and compared to the likes of technically maginificent Amad on the right, but he's 20, coming into a new league from Le fecking cce. He's got some good traits to work on though.

Ambidexterity will give him some unpredictability, and pretty decent dribbling. That gives him more chances to start and develop, on both sides eventually.

Physically once he reaches his peak he can be a monster. He's not the most sound defender but not the worst either, reads the game well and once he get more confident I can see him being a great intercepter and great player for counters. Think he can be a good sound tackler kinda lika Dalot, he can improve steadily like the Portuguese. His crossing seems very decent too with both feet.

He's pretty horrible in shooting and finishing, but that will improve with time, Evra developed that too and he nicked in with some important goals as well and he wasnt even a good crosser. Decision making will also improve over time.

Anyway a lot of pressure on him early on because we have noone else and kinda steep pricetag, but he can be one of the brighter players in the squad in the next couple of years, once, the team improves around him he will thrive too. And once he settles maybe he can go Yoro way leading as well on his side of the pitch.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
What you do for Ten Hag?
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Funnily enough the equivalent of not wanting Ten Hag sacked is the same as my stance on Dorgu.

I want to see him continue and realise whatever his potential is, even though I doubt it's that high.
 
He is fast and physical. Good ball carrier. Can play in RWB, LWB and maybe LCB. He only cost 30m and will get better with more experience.

I am struggling to understand the hate.
 
Tallis said:
He is fast and physical. Good ball carrier. Can play in RWB, LWB and maybe LCB. He only cost 30m and will get better with more experience.

I am struggling to understand the hate.
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Why people bring "hate" word as soon someone doesn't rate a player who they like?

Who hates him exactly? People (including me) just don't see quality there. Personally, i am shocked with his technique. Awb looks like a baller compared to Dorgu.
And that is why i don't understand why we decided to spend 30 mil on him.
 
Tallis said:
He is fast and physical. Good ball carrier. Can play in RWB, LWB and maybe LCB. He only cost 30m and will get better with more experience.

I am struggling to understand the hate.
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30M is not peanuts for a fullback/wingback. Liverpool got Frimpong for 40M, Kerkez for 47M, and City got Ait Nouri for 37M.

The distance in quality between those players and Dorgu is way bigger than between the fees paid.
 
Tallis said:
He is fast and physical. Good ball carrier. Can play in RWB, LWB and maybe LCB. He only cost 30m and will get better with more experience.

I am struggling to understand the hate.
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He is so far unsuitable to the league in which he now plies his trade. "Only 30m" is relative to whether he does get better. If he stays as is, it will be "only" 30m pissed up a rope.
Andycoleno9 said:
Why people bring "hate" word as soon someone doesn't rate a player who they like?

Who hates him exactly? People (including me) just don't see quality there. Personally, i am shocked with his technique. Awb looks like a baller compared to Dorgu.
And that is why i don't understand why we decided to spend 30 mil on him.
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It's binary in here. You would die for a player -- or you want to crucify him. There is no room for sober assessment.
GlazersHater said:
30M is not peanuts for a fullback/wingback. Liverpool got Frimpong for 40M, Kerkez for 47M, and City got Ait Nouri for 37M.

The distance in quality between those players and Dorgu is way bigger than between the fees paid.
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At a certain point the fees disappear and it only matters if the player can deliver on the pitch. Thus far, Dorgu cannot, so I agree with you. So much of this discussion is centered around what a bargain we got so we shouldn't expect much from him, when I think the reality is: does he improve the first team, yes or no? I'd answer "no", so it doesn't matter what we spent because we wasted whatever amount that was.
 
GlazersHater said:
30M is not peanuts for a fullback/wingback. Liverpool got Frimpong for 40M, Kerkez for 47M, and City got Ait Nouri for 37M.

The distance in quality between those players and Dorgu is way bigger than between the fees paid.
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I always forget how much we actually paid for him. That is shocking
 
Just to be clear he was 30m euros, only around 25m pounds.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
He is so far unsuitable to the league in which he now plies his trade. "Only 30m" is relative to whether he does get better. If he stays as is, it will be "only" 30m pissed up a rope.

It's binary in here. You would die for a player -- or you want to crucify him. There is no room for sober assessment.

At a certain point the fees disappear and it only matters if the player can deliver on the pitch. Thus far, Dorgu cannot, so I agree with you. So much of this discussion is centered around what a bargain we got so we shouldn't expect much from him, when I think the reality is: does he improve the first team, yes or no? I'd answer "no", so it doesn't matter what we spent because we wasted whatever amount that was.
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So paying for squad players is automatically a waste of money?
 
Its a funny one, our recruitment has been beyond appealing the last decade, fans should be able to say they dont rate a player. However you have people jumping on them for it, I think he may come good however I do feel it was a hefty fee compared to his current level. He's very raw and quite often looks lacking technically, he's another who i dont think should be a starter but we have no one else and spent a lot of money on him
 
ron86 said:
Its a funny one, our recruitment has been beyond appealing the last decade, fans should be able to say they dont rate a player. However you have people jumping on them for it, I think he may come good however I do feel it was a hefty fee compared to his current level. He's very raw and quite often looks lacking technically, he's another who i dont think should be a starter but we have no one else and spent a lot of money on him
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Appalling even, one could say. What's going on is basically wish-casting, same as what happened with Malacia.
 
Think we should wait and see before being critical of Dorgu. He is 20 and already is a current first choice player for a premier league side. That's pretty good progress so far.

Give him a couple of years before making comparisons with older players like Kerkez and Ait Nouri.

The other part of this equation is whether he will stay ahead of Amass and Leon. Honestly we have no idea yet.
 
As always when discussing the financials of the Dorgu deal, a key point is that he's on just £40k a week.

Whereas you'd imagine the likes of Ait Nouri and Kerkez are on substantially more.

If you only look at the transfer fee you're ignoring where Dorgu provided financial value. Because most signings we make don't come in on lower wages than our third choice keeper.
 
sullydnl said:
As always when discussing the financials of the Dorgu deal, a key point is that he's on just £40k a week.

Whereas you'd imagine the likes of Ait Nouri and Kerkez are on substantially more.

If you only look at the transfer fee you're ignoring where Dorgu provided financial value. Because most signings we make don't come in on lower wages than our third choice keeper.
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True, but I think everyone would agree that spending more on an older, better left wingback would be better even if they were on double the wages
 
GlazersHater said:
30M is not peanuts for a fullback/wingback. Liverpool got Frimpong for 40M, Kerkez for 47M, and City got Ait Nouri for 37M.

The distance in quality between those players and Dorgu is way bigger than between the fees paid.
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47m is more than 50 percent higher than 30m. It’s not a minor difference.

I am not sure if its useful to compare along these lines. We don’t know if Kerkez, Ait Nouri would have joined us over the clubs they joined. Maybe we tried and they weren’t interested.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Why people bring "hate" word as soon someone doesn't rate a player who they like?

Who hates him exactly? People (including me) just don't see quality there. Personally, i am shocked with his technique. Awb looks like a baller compared to Dorgu.
And that is why i don't understand why we decided to spend 30 mil on him.
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Yes, to clarify, by “hate” I am not using the word how it is generally used in real life when you want to destroy someone you hate.

It’s more similar to when your friend may ask if you love or hate some show on television.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
He is in top 20 of most expensive left backs in history. Better?
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Not really given he is a wing back rather than a left back. It would be like saying he has cost more than Ruud van Nistelrooy, completely meaningless without context.
 
GlazersHater said:
30M is not peanuts for a fullback/wingback. Liverpool got Frimpong for 40M, Kerkez for 47M, and City got Ait Nouri for 37M.

The distance in quality between those players and Dorgu is way bigger than between the fees paid.
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All those players will be on much higher wages. Frimpong had a release clause. Ait Nouri was coming towards the end of his contract.

There's a good chance City paid that fee straight up. They do that a lot, which is why the fees they pay seem smaller. It's a bit of a false impression though, as they can afford to pay full fees in one go and so the clubs will accept less rather than a bit more spread out over years.
 
surf said:
Think we should wait and see before being critical of Dorgu. He is 20 and already is a current first choice player for a premier league side. That's pretty good progress so far.

Give him a couple of years before making comparisons with older players like Kerkez and Ait Nouri.

The other part of this equation is whether he will stay ahead of Amass and Leon. Honestly we have no idea yet.
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Kerkez is only 21, let's not pretend there's a big gap in age. I get that he's young however we've spent years with this wait and see attitude, we need players who can perform now and so far he's not at that level.
 
Been playing with Garnacho in front of him. He’s 20. On low wages. What’s the point in comparing him to Kerkez? 2 full seasons in the league, in a settled team. 45 million higher wages. It’s not comparable. Dorgu may well flop, but he’s not been here for long and would be daft to write him off already.
 
Kerkez was never going to go to another club if Liverpool were interested. Him and his Dad said this in an interview for a Serbian podcast 2 weeks ago. Richard Hughes, the current director of Liverpool, was the one who brought him to Bournemouth from AZ, so they had prior history and respect, and the only offers they were willing to listen were from Liverpool.

Kerkez was offered to United via SEG, the Ten Haag agency, back in 2022, IIRC.
 
Orton said:
Been playing with Garnacho in front of him. He’s 20. On low wages. What’s the point in comparing him to Kerkez? 2 full seasons in the league, in a settled team. 45 million higher wages. It’s not comparable. Dorgu may well flop, but he’s not been here for long and would be daft to write him off already.
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He really didn't do as badly as some made out.
 
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