[DarkXaero]

He's a backup player at best, long term. Poor technical ability and decision making, even if he's a really good athlete with a good engine. Reminds me of the mediocre fullbacks we've had over the years.

 

[Fortitude]

Evra attempted plenty of balls into the box, and his relatively poor final ball is the reason he's not talked about in the same breath as the likes of Dani Alves and Roberto Carlos. The rest of his game was fantastic and he was constantly getting into good positions to deliver a cross or pass, but he didn't find the right option anywhere near as much as we'd have liked him to.

I agree that the final ball matters even more for a wingback like we are playing now, but it was still quite a significant aspect for Evra. Hell, for a couple of years Evra was largely playing like we now expect the wingback to do as he'd dominate the entire left side virtually by himself while the left winger would be coming inside.

What you've said doesn't detract from what I posted - Evra put in the appropriate amount of balls a fullback is expected to put in, which would be a poor output for a wingback.

We get a lot more time to observe a wingbacks offensive output by the very nature of the role.

Dorgu is having no problem whatsoever getting himself deep into the oppo half in completely open space, which is why there's even more scrutiny when it comes to his delivery. If he were playing as a fullback, the criticism would be much less and he'd even be praised for finding himself in those positions so frequently.

 

[Fortitude]

Was Evra’s combination play elite in his first 6 months with us?

It was even better before he got here and became [almost] what it had already been once he settled. Are you putting forth equivalency to what Dorgu was in Serie A is what we'll see once he's settled? Is that going to be enough for the wingback role he finds himself playing?

 

[Schmeichels pinky]

Problem is even at a young age you can get an idea of a player’s technical abilities. They don’t just suddenly appear as a player progresses. Hjolund could’ve stayed here 5 years but his technical game would never improve. Lukaku is another - good goal scorer but even from a young age you could tell his first touch, ball control and dribbling were weaknesses and they haven’t improved. Dorgu is a in a similar vein, he has all the physical attributes but I don’t see him developing into a Marcelo or Evra.

Weird. I was certain that I saw many players improve technically over the years. Must have imagined that.

 

[Irwin99]

Should have had two assists really, great cross early in the first half which was unlucky not to result in a goal.

 

[Teja]

He's fine guys, chill out. He does what he's supposed to. Don't need to compare him to Alvaro, for our ambitions top 6-8 this year, he's good. I'd rate him basically at the same level as a Munoz.

I think his end product will also improve as he gets older. I think his crossing has improved quite a bit already. The passing is still kinda crap. If he keeps improving on the technical side, he'll be golden.

 

[The_Midfielder]

I think he should have has 2 assists easily.
Amad should be scoring both

 

[greywhale]

He's fine guys, chill out. He does what he's supposed to. Don't need to compare him to Alvaro, for our ambitions top 6-8 this year, he's good. I'd rate him basically at the same level as a Munoz.

I think his end product will also improve as he gets older. I think his crossing has improved quite a bit already. The passing is still kinda crap. If he keeps improving on the technical side, he'll be golden.

Don't get why people are being so negative about him. He looks fine to me, like others have said could easily of had 2 assists against Chelsea & produced a perfect cross.
He's strong, quick, works hard. Not worried about him at all. It's easy to play in teams that are playing well, we've been playing average for a long time and he still looks good to me.

 

[daba]

It was even better before he got here and became [almost] what it had already been once he settled. Are you putting forth equivalency to what Dorgu was in Serie A is what we'll see once he's settled? Is that going to be enough for the wingback role he finds himself playing?

I can't pretend I remember Evra's performances for Monaco before he joined and I also can't say I watched Dorgu before he joined beyond highlight reels, so I can't comment much on that but of course he needs to improve.

My prior comment was aimed at you comparing a player only 6-7 months into his time at the club with an icon of the club's peak performances for us. It's such a silly and unfair comparison to make. Evra joined the club from probably the second best team in France at the time and when he was 24 just hitting his prime years. Compared to Dorgu joining at 19 from one of the worst teams in a generally weak Serie A, with only about 50 senior games to his name. What was Evra's general play like at 19/20 years old and only 50 games to his name?

Of course what he was producing at Lecce and what he is for us right now is not enough long term - but we've invested in a 19 year old prospect, not a 24 year old who is close to the finished product.

I made a comment in a different post before about my belief that Dorgu has the tools to become one of the best in his position in the league over the next 18-36 months. He has a long way to go to be that or reach someone like Evra's level, so we need to be realistic and fair in our judgements of such a young and inexperienced player who is currently shouldering far more responsibility than he should at his current age and ability (otherwise we'll waste another talent like we did Hojlund).

 

[Marwood]

It was even better before he got here and became [almost] what it had already been once he settled. Are you putting forth equivalency to what Dorgu was in Serie A is what we'll see once he's settled? Is that going to be enough for the wingback role he finds himself playing?

I always thought Evra's final ball was average. In both decision making and execution. Towards the end of his time here when he no longer had a top class winger in front of him it really showed.

But he was obviously still really good for us.

 

[Fortitude]

I can't pretend I remember Evra's performances for Monaco before he joined and I also can't say I watched Dorgu before he joined beyond highlight reels, so I can't comment much on that but of course he needs to improve.

My prior comment was aimed at you comparing a player only 6-7 months into his time at the club with an icon of the club's peak performances for us. It's such a silly and unfair comparison to make. Evra joined the club from probably the second best team in France at the time and when he was 24 just hitting his prime years. Compared to Dorgu joining at 19 from one of the worst teams in a generally weak Serie A, with only about 50 senior games to his name. What was Evra's general play like at 19/20 years old and only 50 games to his name?

Of course what he was producing at Lecce and what he is for us right now is not enough long term - but we've invested in a 19 year old prospect, not a 24 year old who is close to the finished product.

I made a comment in a different post before about my belief that Dorgu has the tools to become one of the best in his position in the league over the next 18-36 months. He has a long way to go to be that or reach someone like Evra's level, so we need to be realistic and fair in our judgements of such a young and inexperienced player who is currently shouldering far more responsibility than he should at his current age and ability (otherwise we'll waste another talent like we did Hojlund).

I didn't make the Evra comparison, but I did discuss it.

Your bolded is extremely valid. I guess only the French posters or those with a vested interest in Ligue 1 can answer that, but I'm going to hazard a guess that Evra's base technique at that age suggested he'd go on to become what he was before he even got here. It's not like these players pop out of nowhere (most of the time).

I think my posts are fair as I'm aware of his predicament and I don't actually know what I think of him as an actual fullback, but the context is wingback and it's a vital distinction because the role doesn't have much overlap with what makes a good/great fullbacks and is the in-between for players who generally aren't that special as actual wingers or wing-forwards, but have a unique set of attributes that are just perfect for the role.

The issue for Dorgu in the position is he's going to be judged in accordance with it and we've already seen that brought up by the press and on social media as well as with fans.

I do hope he has a Rooneyesque ability to randomly develop parts of his game. Contrary to what you might think, I'd genuinely be delighted if does kick on and realise potential it takes a keen eye to see.

 

[Ekeke]

I always thought Evra's final ball was average. In both decision making and execution. Towards the end of his time here when he no longer had a top class winger in front of him it really showed.

But he was obviously still really good for us.

It wasnt average it was poor. But Evra did so many things so well that we overlooked it

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

He irritates me at times but I remember he is only 21, and his first full season, he has alot of development to do.

 

[Ludens the Red]

He's fine guys, chill out. He does what he's supposed to. Don't need to compare him to Alvaro, for our ambitions top 6-8 this year, he's good. I'd rate him basically at the same level as a Munoz.

I think his end product will also improve as he gets older. I think his crossing has improved quite a bit already. The passing is still kinda crap. If he keeps improving on the technical side, he'll be golden.

Are you joking here ?

 

[sullydnl]

He irritates me at times but I remember he is only 21, and his first full season, he has alot of development to do.

Not even that, still 20 for another month.

 

[Mike Smalling]

If he can get his decision making and final ball right, he's the type of player that could be decent considering his physical gifts. He doesn't have to develop into a technical marvel to be a useful player. Getting an assist and setting up one or two other chances was good to see.

 

[Irwin99]

Even if he doesn't quite reach the heights we want him to, he's a player that can play either side, on a relatively low wage, that will get better. Given his age and versatility I'm thinking he could be a good signing.

 

[GazTheLegend]

I can't pretend I remember Evra's performances for Monaco before he joined and I also can't say I watched Dorgu before he joined beyond highlight reels, so I can't comment much on that but of course he needs to improve.

My prior comment was aimed at you comparing a player only 6-7 months into his time at the club with an icon of the club's peak performances for us. It's such a silly and unfair comparison to make. Evra joined the club from probably the second best team in France at the time and when he was 24 just hitting his prime years. Compared to Dorgu joining at 19 from one of the worst teams in a generally weak Serie A, with only about 50 senior games to his name. What was Evra's general play like at 19/20 years old and only 50 games to his name?

Of course what he was producing at Lecce and what he is for us right now is not enough long term - but we've invested in a 19 year old prospect, not a 24 year old who is close to the finished product.

I made a comment in a different post before about my belief that Dorgu has the tools to become one of the best in his position in the league over the next 18-36 months. He has a long way to go to be that or reach someone like Evra's level, so we need to be realistic and fair in our judgements of such a young and inexperienced player who is currently shouldering far more responsibility than he should at his current age and ability (otherwise we'll waste another talent like we did Hojlund).

As far as I remember Evra played in a champions League final at 23 for Monaco so he was pretty fecking good by then

He might even have played against us in the early 2000's. We did have a few matches Vs Monaco

 

[Poborsky's hair]

Everything said in this thread is true. he's a young player who happen to start for us too early and he's steady performer rather below the level we need, but not too bad in times. However switch him for someone like Frimpong and we elevate our game one notch. He'd definitely not start for the likes of top6 team. But his versatility and good fitness will give him cahnces to develop, so if he continues to grow he might come good for us.

But after CM, and no1 GK. Wingback should be our top priority. It's frustrating how woeful we are in the final third. our xG and chance creation is 2nd in the league but we fail to convert those chances and Dorgs is a prime example of this player who needs to do much better with the final ball or finishing.

 

[Martinez4midfield]

Watch that assist for Bruno's first goal again. He generates a ridiculous amount of power. It was a great assist.

 

[Aleryan]

At least Dorgu is consistent and stays injury free. What an amazing assist!

 

[GueRed]

He's still 20yrs old and still developing.

If his decision making improves, he learns how to put a decent ball into the box and if adds more guile to his game he'll be a very good player.

 

[1988]

He's been brilliant. He's so far been our most forward and offensive player. That's mad.

 

[The_Midfielder]

Everything said in this thread is true. he's a young player who happen to start for us too early and he's steady performer rather below the level we need, but not too bad in times. However switch him for someone like Frimpong and we elevate our game one notch. He'd definitely not start for the likes of top6 team. But his versatility and good fitness will give him cahnces to develop, so if he continues to grow he might come good for us.

But after CM, and no1 GK. Wingback should be our top priority. It's frustrating how woeful we are in the final third. our xG and chance creation is 2nd in the league but we fail to convert those chances and Dorgs is a prime example of this player who needs to do much better with the final ball or finishing.

I dont know how good Frimpong has been playing, but he looks tiny.
We already have issues with physicality so not sure how that will work defensively..however offensively we will be amazing

 

[Marcus]

I like Dorgu. He puts fear in the hearts of opposing defenders with his power and running. Decision-making and improvements in crossing will come in time. His existing gifts are fearsome weapons.

 

[bond19821982]

He is winning lot of headers . Has a good leap in him.

 

[Mike Smalling]

More assists than Bruno, Mbeumo and Cunha combined this season. Elite.

 

[El-Manos]

He's been brilliant. He's so far been our most forward and offensive player. That's mad.

I wouldn’t say brilliant but he’s not been poor either like some people suggest

 

[Rozay]

Not for me Jeff.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Seems like no one ever makes runs with him, he doesn’t get the benefit of an overlap or under lap run. He’s usually out there by himself with no teammate inside 15 yards. I would be curious to see any player pull off what is being asked of Dorgu in Amorims system in this league. Probably would have looked amazing in Portugal.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

I wouldn’t say brilliant but he’s not been poor either like some people suggest

I heard a woman call a cup of tea brilliant.

 

[Fortitude]

Seems like no one ever makes runs with him, he doesn’t get the benefit of an overlap or under lap run. He’s usually out there by himself with no teammate inside 15 yards. I would be curious to see any player pull off what is being asked of Dorgu in Amorims system in this league. Probably would have looked amazing in Portugal.

Wingbacks often have a lonely furrow. It comes with distinct advantages, but it is acknowledged as one of the hardest, most demanding roles to play and that’s another reason the game isn’t flooded with them.

If you consider some of the upshot, however, is that they get acres of space to affect the game with whatever forte they have, be it shooting, crossing, dribbling or combination play. A great wingback is one of the greatest assets you can have because it takes so much deviation from a standard plan to dedicate and allocate resources to them.

 

[Trex]

He's a decent player for his age and even the fee we paid, but we should really invest in getting someone who can maximize the space he gets on that side. I remember Chelsea using wingbacks under Conte and Tuchel. Players like M. Alonso, Chilwell, Reece James and Moses were a real offensive threat in that system.

 

[Top_Bins]

I heard a woman call a cup of tea brilliant.

Tea is brilliant. Dorgu is good, but not quite at the level of tea yet.

 

[TempusFugit]

There's probably a few players in the academy who are clearly better than him. His technical level is just pathetic and he's handling one of the most important roles in the team, Amorim must be a complete maniac or shockingly incompetent to think this guy can provide the necessary threat on the left flank.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Next manager will experience horror, if this lad keeps mutilating football.

Address the obvious in next months, or move on.

 

[The_Midfielder]

He is better than Dalot.dalot should have b43n subbed

 

[DWelbz19]

Sell next summer whilst his value is still somewhat high. He’ll continue to dwindle the more football he’s actually exposed to at this level.

 

[Rozay]

Was one of his better games. But he’s rubbish. And to add to it, he’s just so dopey. He does not appear switched on ever. Always stupidly caught off side. A step behind his man. And if not, perennially on the floor.

I still have some hope that there could be something there as a left-back, however - as a wing-back, close the book on him already tbh.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Standard Dorgu performance does good work but fails to deliver. For some reason he seems prone to delaying opportunities for himself to break forward. He creates the space of the gap but for some reason just refuses to bomb in to the space.

Don’t even recall any crosses he put in today.