Yeah, it’s a mental take.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 28
- Clean sheets
- 5
- Goals
- 4
- Assists
- 3
- Yellow cards
- 4
Great in pre-season, back in the PL and shows no stand out attributes. He has a good engine - as does pretty much any PL o these days. He’s pretty fast, but not ao much so that it’s an asset. He’s alright. He’s pretty strong, I guess, but nothing extreme. His technique is clearly below average, and his end product is rather, well, poor. A decent prospect at 20, but he really shouldn’t be a starter.
I'd back Dorgu as a decent marauding fullback. Better than as a creative wingback anyway.
I have to give it to him, he understands his role very well, but the execution just isn't there. If he can sort out his crossing, he can be a very useful asset and a very good wing back. That being said, he is in the top 10 for successful crosses so far in the Premier League, so it hasn't been useless. Wing backs like Pedro Porro, Tyrick Mitchell and Daniel Munoz are only slightly above him.
Kerkez looked very good last season, but has been completely anonymous and genuinely a liability. Just so much more to Premier League than just having good technical skills, and I think Dorgu can develop into a decent player.
Kerkez looked very good last season, but has been completely anonymous and genuinely a liability. Just so much more to Premier League than just having good technical skills, and I think Dorgu can develop into a decent player.
Fair points to make regarding his fitness. I was pointing out that in terms of attacking threat he offers more going forward than Dorgu. Unsure of his defensive contribution because he tends to have lapses in concentration and was in the same United team that got teabagged 7-0 by the scouse.
Thing is they're both shite, just in terms of attacking threat Shaw is less shite, but still shite. Hope it makes sense
He's definitely technically far superior, but that may all go to pot when he's had to make 3 consecutive 30m sprints. No one doubts Shaw would be better in the same positions Dorgu is getting into, he just wouldn't be able to get in them or get back.
Dorgu is supposed to be Evra and Giggs at the same time in this system to meet the caf standard. He is not, but who is? It would help a lot, if there were actually someone on the right with the same engine going forwards and more than Sesko getting into the box while Cunha and Mbeumo are doing underlaps. His crossing needs to improve as well. Dorgu is taking all the shit while actually being just about the only one getting into the right positions.
Quite simply Shaw doesn’t have the legs for it anymore plus he’s been absolutely dreadful since returning from injury
Yes, I think if we’re patient he will get better. He’s certainly got all the physical traits necessary. But, even if he doesn’t make it as a LWB or we revert to 4 at the back I believe that he will be a very solid LB
So raw, poor decision making and no end product.
Agree he will improve if we are patient, but at the mo, we dont have the patience or time to have weaker players like him and in particualr Dalot starting games.
Agree he will improve if we are patient, but at the mo, we dont have the patience or time to have weaker players like him and in particualr Dalot starting games.
He must have been fouled 5/6 times v Brentford. I think he gets a raw deal on here.
I think potentially with the right manager and coaches he can be a good player. A formation with 4 at the back with him as left back would suit him better I feel
I think potentially with the right manager and coaches he can be a good player. A formation with 4 at the back with him as left back would suit him better I feel
He's kinda raw, like Wilf Zaha.
I am just sad that we no longer have the infrastructure to cultivate raw talent into something good.
I am just sad that we no longer have the infrastructure to cultivate raw talent into something good.
He is not been that bad.. yes he lacks end product but he progresses the ball, dribbles but been one of the good player ...
Him and Mbeumo our only attacking outlets right now , as Bruno is playing DM...our strategy is , pass the ball to him and run..
Dorgu has issues, but the only zone luke shaw is capable of excelling at is that pre overlap position where he can cross the ball into the box. He cant cover the ground Dorgu can.
But he really doesn't. Most bemoaning him at WB are open him getting a try at FB, but whilst at WB, he gets judged as a WB, especially so as he is the outlet ball and the player charged with way too much of our final ball load.
Compare this thread to Dalot one and you'll see sympathy and understanding of his predicament vis-a-vis the sinking pit Dalot is perceived as.
Agree.
It hasn't been noted widely enough just how much he does on that left flank. His stat for duels contested is mental. Great engine, rarely gets beaten defensively, seems to really understand the role.
He actually did well for the goal at weekend, hooked it back in nicely because that wasn't easy.
Assist against Cheslea, could have had another.
Good buy and least of our problems. If we had another version of him on the right we'd be better for it.
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Dorgu is up and down that flank for 90mins
Shaw would be drained by half time
That’s why.
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7th in succesfull crosses from open play in the pl (with Damsgaard, Iwobi and Neco Williams)
1st in Duels won (with Kudus)
1st in Duels won (with Kudus)
Such a weird state of things that we are using the left flank so much more than the right with Amad being totally unused. We looked very good every time we gave him the ball last year and refuse to use him. Surely down the fact that there are big personalities in CUnha dn Mbeumo now but Amorim must see it.
As for Dorgu, I like him sometimes and potentially he cna be quite exciting player, but he's still too raw and he needs to greatly improve his technical ability, which is good at times but he often has a lose touch and that slows everything down. Interestingly we got rid of AWB and replaced him with similar player going forward.
As for Dorgu, I like him sometimes and potentially he cna be quite exciting player, but he's still too raw and he needs to greatly improve his technical ability, which is good at times but he often has a lose touch and that slows everything down. Interestingly we got rid of AWB and replaced him with similar player going forward.
Dorgu wins more than half his defensive duels. Has a better crossing accuracy than even Pedro Porro in one less game this season, completes 50% of his long passes, plus Has created 5 chances. On top of gaving amongst the highest touches in thr opposing box. In Amorim's particular system His brief is to offer us constant width in attack, defensive cover for the wide cb out of possesion plus, long switches of play to the opposite flank, get into the area as a potential goal scoring threat whenever attacks are on the opposite flank.
Reading in here, if one hadn't watched him this season, and went bh what's being posted on here, they would imagine he is doing NONE of those things. Because some imagine wing backs are supposed to be taking up TAA kinda assist and creative numbers. Which even world class wbs like Di Marco at Inter can't do.
Frankly he has been one of our better players in this system this season. Our real issue is out attack hasn't properly gelled ahead of him. He is still learning how Cunha plays for starers. Above all thrrinconsistent performance of our midfield this seasom is ensuring he doesn't get both the right supply to make more crosses in good areas nor the right combo player and runs in attack to supply.
Once that starts to happen more frequently. Many in here will be down right embarassed about what they have said about him here.
Reading in here, if one hadn't watched him this season, and went bh what's being posted on here, they would imagine he is doing NONE of those things. Because some imagine wing backs are supposed to be taking up TAA kinda assist and creative numbers. Which even world class wbs like Di Marco at Inter can't do.
Frankly he has been one of our better players in this system this season. Our real issue is out attack hasn't properly gelled ahead of him. He is still learning how Cunha plays for starers. Above all thrrinconsistent performance of our midfield this seasom is ensuring he doesn't get both the right supply to make more crosses in good areas nor the right combo player and runs in attack to supply.
Once that starts to happen more frequently. Many in here will be down right embarassed about what they have said about him here.
When he smashes it at Napoli in two years
Would not work as a LB because he needs to be kept as far away from our goal as possible. LWB suits him but only under certain conditions. Consistently fails to get the ball out of his feet and he’s incapable of playing on the half turn. He also loses all composure under pressure and can’t use his right foot. We will inevitably revert to a back 4 at some point and he’ll be replaced by Amass.
People need scapegoats. He just gets ridiculous criticism. He has two assists in the last two games.
Dorgu wins more than half his defensive duels. Has a better crossing accuracy than even Pedro Porro in one less game this season, completes 50% of his long passes, plus Has created 5 chances. On top of gaving amongst the highest touches in thr opposing box. In Amorim's particular system His brief is to offer us constant width in attack, defensive cover for the wide cb out of possesion plus, long switches of play to the opposite flank, get into the area as a potential goal scoring threat whenever attacks are on the opposite flank.
Reading in here, if one hadn't watched him this season, and went yh what's being posted on here, they would imagine he is doing NONE of those things. Because some imagine wing backs are supposed to be taking up TAA kinda assist and creative numbers. Which even world class wbs like Di Marco at Inter can't do.
Frankly he has been one of our better players in this system this season. Our real issue is out attack hasn't properly gelled ahead of him. He is still learning how Cunha plays for starers. Above all thrrinconsistent performance of our midfield this seasom is ensuring he doesn't get both the right supply to make more crosses in good areas nor the right combo player and runs in attack to supply.
Once that starts to happen more frequently. Many in here will be down right embarassed about what they have said about him here.
Reading in here, if one hadn't watched him this season, and went yh what's being posted on here, they would imagine he is doing NONE of those things. Because some imagine wing backs are supposed to be taking up TAA kinda assist and creative numbers. Which even world class wbs like Di Marco at Inter can't do.
Frankly he has been one of our better players in this system this season. Our real issue is out attack hasn't properly gelled ahead of him. He is still learning how Cunha plays for starers. Above all thrrinconsistent performance of our midfield this seasom is ensuring he doesn't get both the right supply to make more crosses in good areas nor the right combo player and runs in attack to supply.
Once that starts to happen more frequently. Many in here will be down right embarassed about what they have said about him here.
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Man Utd 2:0 Sunderland
He gets into such good positions but seems to not know what to do with it or gets it wrong. It's a shame cos if he could have got that part done he would have quite a number of assists
Needs a hair trim. How can you be a top level professional footballer but having to blow your hair out your eyes to see properly? In games with fine margins it's the kind of detail I'm surprised is allowed to slide when aiming for peak player performance.
He just needs to learn a bit more focus. Brain blips are somewhat reminiscent of a young Rio, albeit the talent isn't on the same level.
I just hope he can develop his decision making and ballhandling quickly.
Finding a new left wingback with a similar physical package AND a higher technical level will be very expensive or it'll be another project player.
Finding a new left wingback with a similar physical package AND a higher technical level will be very expensive or it'll be another project player.
Dalot and Dorgu need some extra training on final ball.
If we are sticking with this formation it needs to be someone who is more winger than defender. Semenyo would be someone I’d really like to see in that role.
Scored for Denmark tonight
And served up one out of Højlund’s brace by hitting the post leading to a rebound tap in.
Again?! Pretty sure that happened at the last internationals.
Dorgu doesn't like passing to Hojlund confirmed. He'd rather shoot at the post instead of squaring.
/s
His technique is what people seem to be most irritated by.
However, I feel like the rest of his game is actually quite well rounded for a 20 year old that if he did have this technique everyone craves for that he would instantly be one of the best left backs in the world and ultimately that's unrealistic. I like his short passing, his energy, his heading ability, his defensive ability it's all quite solid for his age.
I go through games when I feel like he isn't that great, then I go through games when I can see why we did go and sign him.
Then obviously I don't see players like Kerkez & Frimpong exactly lighting up the league as people expected and I've still got some hopes for him. I remember a scouting video where he was described of a pass and go type of fullback than a particularly crossing type wide fullback and I can see how it maybe irritating to play such a player that we need in particularly crossing situations.
However, I feel like the rest of his game is actually quite well rounded for a 20 year old that if he did have this technique everyone craves for that he would instantly be one of the best left backs in the world and ultimately that's unrealistic. I like his short passing, his energy, his heading ability, his defensive ability it's all quite solid for his age.
I go through games when I feel like he isn't that great, then I go through games when I can see why we did go and sign him.
Then obviously I don't see players like Kerkez & Frimpong exactly lighting up the league as people expected and I've still got some hopes for him. I remember a scouting video where he was described of a pass and go type of fullback than a particularly crossing type wide fullback and I can see how it maybe irritating to play such a player that we need in particularly crossing situations.
I think if he plays with a winger in front of him, he wouldn't have all the attacking responsibility he does now and people would like him more because he'll fulfill the basics of a fullback.
In our set up though more is demanded in the final third.
He is being asked to do everything and his technique is lacking.
Still only 20 years old, still rooms to improve, but he shouldn't be starting for us.
Still only 20 years old, still rooms to improve, but he shouldn't be starting for us.
I think its the combination of his technique and how often there is a poor pass or cross coming from him and because he's often the free man on the wing involved in our attacks its the oppertunity cost. What if someone better at passing and crossing was in that position?
But the truth is Dorgu, or Dalot before him got into that position more often than most alternative players. Thats why Dorgu gets into so many positions where he can get a cross in and despite some poor ones has got a couple of decent ones in too. Because hes always working hard making those runs that that the other fullbacks/wingbacks dont make as often. You get bad ones and eventually you get some decent ones. And it ends up that he has more decent ones in total than other players