He's shown to be no better than any of these named players when they made appearances for us.
There is no exaggeration here - the one thing going for him is that he's young.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 28
- Clean sheets
- 5
- Goals
- 4
- Assists
- 3
- Yellow cards
- 4
There is no exaggeration here - the one thing going for him is that he's young.
Just a case of another player that’s better for his country than club. Pressure must be to high here. He’s been putting in decent performances for Denmark and even got a goal and assists.
Then I can't take you seriously.
He's one of the main reasons Denmark didn't qualify directly for the World Cup.
https://streamain.com/en/x5KgnnqkwEx7alZ/watch
https://streamain.com/en/WCqtjSBMC0haLr9/watch
Still doesn’t change my statement… his performances are still better for Denmark than for us
He's hardly impressing at a much lower level of competition, and Denmark fans are complaining about the same problems he's facing at United. The pressure isn't what's stopping him from performing; it's a distinctive lack of quality.
Yes, there is. It is a ridiculous exaggeration.
I refer to the 4 minute clip on last page. The first minute shows more than those did, with the exception of Telles. Do you even remember them playing for us, or do you just say that because you don't like Dorgu?
Dorgu and Mazraoui scapegoated for Everton game, pretending they were the only problems?
Clearly having no recollection of Büttner playing like a man possessed that one game
I do remember. With the exception of blankett there's literally nothing shown from Dorgu to be better than those players. A 4 minute highlight clip doesn't prove anything, we all see Dorgu play it's recent in our memory.
Wigan? Big game that he was doing Ronaldo stepovers
No, but they were the worst players on the pitch and this is a Dorgu thread where we tend to evaluate the player performances.
I like the fact Amorim is starting to be honest with the players and what they need to improve on. Dorgu has a lot he needs to work on and everything I’d read I agree with.
I don’t think he’ll be with us in a couple of years but you never know.
I don’t think he’ll be with us in a couple of years but you never know.
Yes, there is. You can't possibly be serious that Dorgu hasn't shown more than Cameron Borthwick-Jackson or Tyler Blackett ffs. Telles I can get on board with, and to a degree Büttner but that goal against Wigan was just a bit of luck and terrible defending. And yes, a 4 minute highlight clip proves everything because those players did not do anything close to that. Blackett and Borthwick-Jackson only played because of LvG's obsession playing academy players and showed nothing.
There is not rating him and then there is whatever you're doing. Bizarre to even suggest those two players showed the same as Dorgu.
Tell me what Dorgu showed over Borthwick Jackson under LVG. There was a (weird) period of time where he looked quite promising for some time. That is already more than what Dorgu has showed.
These players are all duds. There's literally no evidence whatsoever that Dorgu has shown more promise than them when they had their first full seasons (bar blankett).
Crystal Palace 1:2 Man Utd
I would say Borthwick-Jackson was more pleasing on the eye and was better technically, but ultimately he did nothing. Dorgu should have at least 2-3 more assists but let down to poor finishing, and actually creates chances occasionally. He has showed way more defensive qualities and physically he belongs in the league. Don't get me wrong, Dorgu has not been good at all, but at least he contributes offensively (even if the final ball often is poor). He is given too much responsibility. He is not a wingback (yet), he is a fullback being told to run up and down all game and has far more attacking responsibilities than other fullbacks have. It doesn't prove everything, but did you even watch the clip? If he has moments like that, it means he is capable of it. What he needs to do is do it consistently. That's where younger players often improve with experience. Better coaching too would probably do a world of good. Don't get me wrong, we absolutely need a massive upgrade on him but come on, Borthwick-Jackson did not show more than him.
Even BJ got an assist too, but a few would be assists on Dorgu is being generous. Let's grant it though, he's in a far more offensive position and he actually ruins a lot more attacks than adds value in.
The defensive stuff is overcooked, he is fine most times but has a knack of falling asleep at the back post and we have been fortunate to not be punished at times.
If you agree there's a much of a muchness between the two, the point is Dorgu has not shown any more than that level of player - there's nothing exaggerated about that.
Dalot is better left WB. Which says more about Dorgu than Dalot.
They are probably about the same level. Both are capable of playing quite well at times, but they are also capable of being quite shit (although I do rate Dalot on the right higher).
Dalot has been better for the last two months or so, bar the last two games before the international break.
Dorgu is fine defensively, it’s when he’s in that final third, his issues come up. Worth persisting with but should be a rotation option right now.
Dorgu is a 21 year old kid in his first full PL season, whereas Dalot is a 26 year old with 220+ appearances for United alone. It shouldn't be surprising that Dalot is sometimes better than Dorgu at this point in their careers.
Just look at how much someone like Kerkez has struggled at Liverpool this season, despite being older than Dorgu and having had the benefit of two full PL seasons at Bournemouth beforehand. It ain't easy.
Just look at how much someone like Kerkez has struggled at Liverpool this season, despite being older than Dorgu and having had the benefit of two full PL seasons at Bournemouth beforehand. It ain't easy.
You're kidding, right? He's been here 10 months and he just turned 21. Amorim tells the press that he feels the anxiety in him in every touch (paraphrasing). That is just absolutely woeful management. I can't imagine any of our previous managers doing anything remotely similar because it's just mindless. How is this supposed to lessen his anxiety?
I'll never forget the way Buttner released a statement when he left saying he was leaving so he could play Champions League football as if he was Mr Big Time!
Well yes he could have worded it better, instead of anxiety, he needs to work on his technique and/or calm down and slow his actions a bit before making his decision for example.
Amorim was probably thinking of his own anxiety when he sees Dorgu on the ball.
Yes, he needs to think before he speaks. But he doesn't. He's just way too emotional and impulsive, coupled with having a single idea.
Didn't seem to stop Dorgu playing his part today at the end. I'm sure the messages are conveyed in more depth behind closed doors than they are to the camera. I think the tactical flexibility is Amorim's problem really rather than man management.
Bizarre take. Dorgu on the same level as Shaw, in other words. Now I’ve read it all here.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Not a good look when you get benched for out-of-position Dalot. Not at all. The thing is, Dorgu was supposed to be the kind of wing-back to make this system work, yet he looks nothing like it. I also don't believe he will turn into that at any point down the road. Not entirely his fault, but a weird piece of recruitment to be sure. And it's not like he is a punt like Malacia either. A strange purchase if the idea is to stick with Amorim.
Just how poor he's been offensively has surprised me because I am sure I read on here - before we signed him, that he even played as an attacker/winger in Serie A? Granted, Serie A is not as strong as it used to be (nowhere near actually)....but I'd still have expected him to be better offensively, when he's actually been ok defensively but done next to nothing of note at the other end of the pitch - few odd moments aside.
He's a very confusing player. Probably a data aquisition because he registers quite high on many data metrics (he still does). My tl;dr so far is: He has an excellent engine and gets up and down the pitch. Attacking output can be improved but he's young. Likely he'll do better right now as a traditional LB in a back four system and not as a wing back because his defensive duel winning numbers are quite good.
This is a good thread. The conclusion is we picked a project player for WB, he's showing good data on many metrics but the dribbling ability and crossing ability need to improve (and they can). "mis-aligned expectations": He's getting serious minutes and going through his development. We can't expect him to be a Nuno Mendes right now, we signed a young player and we need to wait for him to mature.
Yeah good summary and I feel similar about the LB versus LWB discussion - less pressure on attacking output as a traditional fullback as well. Dribbling and putting in quality balls is definitely two areas where he can improve. I guess the PL is also just so strong and physical - where he might have had an advantage attacking with his pace and power in Serie A, but that advantage based on his physical traits have basically been nullified in the PL.
Well, here's hoping he's able to improve and kick on....
Man Utd 1:1 West Ham
Can we sell him and whoever advocated his transfer? One good game against Sociedad and that's all.
Absolutely shit player, lucky to be playing in England. Hardly championship level.
Won the lottery when we signed him
My 50 year old brother who has supported the club all his life and doesn't go in hard on any player said tonight that Dorgu is the worst footballer he has seen at the club.
Just terrible player.
I don't mean this in a personal way against the guy because I'm sure he's got a good head on his shoulders and works hard.
But I never want to see him in a Manchester United shirt again.
But I never want to see him in a Manchester United shirt again.
Complete amateur.
I genuinely don't understand why he let's that last ball go out for a throw when he has time and space to get it and play.
Offers nothing.
Offers nothing.