Kostov
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This guy was obviously misprofiled. He obviously can attack much better than I imagined. He was top notch in defense also.
I think he's a lot more capable on the ball than people are giving him credit for. He's always a threat and I get the feeling fullbacks hate having to run with him when he goes down the outside.He doesn't have the craftiness and deftness to consistently get on the ball and create inside which is the normal expectation.
Against a team that gives space to run he can do ok.
As a fullback he gets more space to run once he gets the confidence to.do it from deeper, in my opinion.
I think he's a lot more capable on the ball than people are giving him credit for. He's always a threat and I get the feeling fullbacks hate having to run with him when he goes down the outside.
I think he goes down too easy when if he stays on his feet he’d power away for the opposition player. Doing so would make them think they have to really hack him down to stop him which would result in more red cards.Improving and contributing. Love to see it.
Has two issues:
- his balance. feels like he’s prone to go to ground
- his honesty. Plenty of times he can carve out fouls and cards for opposition with as little more theatrics, but he’s one of those “honest work” types. Unfortunately, refs do not respect honest work
I think having a bulldozer type on one side and silky dribbler on the other is pretty good balance for the team. If one style isn’t working the other might.Best performance in a United shirt for Dorgu.
He's never gonna be a silky technician like say an Olise or an Amad, but whey he plays like that he can be very effective.
The question is, with his technical ceiling, is he the type of player that features in teams challenging for league titles? Probably not, but he can do a job for now.
It didn't take me long to find his best was when used further up the pitch. Utilize him there and there's no question about his best positionhis best performances (albeit the very few of them) have come in an attacking role
No we don't.
Dorgu can play LB.
Playing LB & LWB is different positions.
Dorgu can concentrate on attacking as a LM/RM
Or
he can concentrate on defending more when playing at LB/RB.
Asking him to do both at the same time was why Amorim wasn't getting the best out of him.
Dorgu doesn't make many defensive errors and is actually quite good in tight spaces.
We also have Leon & Amass who we need to test in preseason.
Correct.I suspect what he means is hes playing well as a winger so we should continue picking him on the wing. Therefore we cant also select him at leftback
One of my beef with Fletcher's 2nd game in charge. Dorgu had a good game on Fletch's first game as winger, and he messed it up by having Dorgu as LB.His performances on the wing have been significantly better. I don't believe in him as a wing or as a long term fullback but he looks pretty good as a traditional winger. We don't need to mess him up, play him where he is clearly confident and consistent.
Can't remember which pundit said it at halftime but it wasn't just scoring the goal, he wanted to get to that ball first. The effort and intensity he brought today was immense. He could barely walk at full time.Fantastic player for games like these, good that he is now scoring too which will do his confidence a world of good. Carrick is veteran of those battles against a team like City (Arsenal in the late 00s) and obviously knows what a two way player like him can do for a team off the ball and on the break.
I think it's always been evident that he tends to get into good positions a few times every game with his running in behind, and often popping up in the box getting half a chance or collecting a loose ball. It's just that last season it didn't really turn into goals or assists.I think the words I’m looking for in relation to him are tenacity and industry. His drive can be infectious, in much the way we have always said about effective, energiser bunny types of the past. I didn’t detect a relentless drive in him when he first arrived, but his character itself has grown a great deal as the season has wore on - he looks very settled in the PL now and also at the club and thus he’s started to express himself and show what he’s about.
He’s a [lot] more about graft over ability, but you don’t need to be a silky technician to make it, especially in this vertical obsessive manifestation of the league. The big question he asks the opposition is: are you as up for this as I am? And with that, if you’re really not the type who likes a battle of attrition, Dorgu is going to wear you down and make you play the kind of game you likely hate playing. It’s only old-fashioned wingers, generic wingbacks and attacking fullbacks that truly relish that tireless graft up and down the pitch; other types will do it because they have to at certain junctures, but there’ll be no relish to it like you saw in a Park or see in a Dorgu. He’s quickly established himself as our most tenacious wide man - if you want someone to run lines without fail, he’s the guy, and that niche can really see him carve out a lane of his own that doesn’t come down to whether he is or isn’t a better footballer than another player.
I have to say I’m not looking at him through the lens of technical ability any longer, but rather as a very useful tactical piece who will give his all for the team. I mentioned this about him vs Walker when we played Burnley; he was really enjoying every aspect of the tussle and even had Walker acting like “no mas” by the end, I think he did similar today, and expect it to be a fixture in his game going forward.
His reading of the game and space may be more important for him in terms of goalscoring and assisting than having sublime technique in isolation would - more of that driving across men to get to the ball first, and that too could become his thing, or something else those vs him will get tired of doing over the 90, giving him the opportunity to exploit as the game goes on.
He’s an interesting prospect, just in a very different way to looking at the next technical prodigy. That’ll never be his thing, but it really doesn’t need to be for him to be very effective an asset here.
Surprised people still think he's a LB long term, don't see anything to suggest that in all his best performances.
And having a player like that, with the bonus of affecting games in attack, is literally cheat code. That intensity can not be understated in its importance.Can't remember which pundit said it at halftime but it wasn't just scoring the goal, he wanted to get to that ball first. The effort and intensity he brought today was immense. He could barely walk at full time.
I don't think there's any great need to pigeonhole him into being one thing or the other. Every great United side of the 90s and 00s had a couple of solid, hardworking utility players who would play where we needed them that week. He could easily become a modern Park/O'Shea/P. Neville.Surprised people still think he's a LB long term, don't see anything to suggest that in all his best performances.
I think the words I’m looking for in relation to him are tenacity and industry. His drive can be infectious, in much the way we have always said about effective, energiser bunny types of the past. I didn’t detect a relentless drive in him when he first arrived, but his character itself has grown a great deal as the season has wore on - he looks very settled in the PL now and also at the club and thus he’s started to express himself and show what he’s about.
He’s a [lot] more about graft over ability, but you don’t need to be a silky technician to make it, especially in this vertical obsessive manifestation of the league. The big question he asks the opposition is: are you as up for this as I am? And with that, if you’re really not the type who likes a battle of attrition, Dorgu is going to wear you down and make you play the kind of game you likely hate playing. It’s only old-fashioned wingers, generic wingbacks and attacking fullbacks that truly relish that tireless graft up and down the pitch; other types will do it because they have to at certain junctures, but there’ll be no relish to it like you saw in a Park or see in a Dorgu. He’s quickly established himself as our most tenacious wide man - if you want someone to run lines without fail, he’s the guy, and that niche can really see him carve out a lane of his own that doesn’t come down to whether he is or isn’t a better footballer than another player.
I have to say I’m not looking at him through the lens of technical ability any longer, but rather as a very useful tactical piece who will give his all for the team. I mentioned this about him vs Walker when we played Burnley; he was really enjoying every aspect of the tussle and even had Walker acting like “no mas” by the end, I think he did similar today, and expect it to be a fixture in his game going forward.
His reading of the game and space may be more important for him in terms of goalscoring and assisting than having sublime technique in isolation would - more of that driving across men to get to the ball first, and that too could become his thing, or something else those vs him will get tired of doing over the 90, giving him the opportunity to exploit as the game goes on.
He’s an interesting prospect, just in a very different way to looking at the next technical prodigy. That’ll never be his thing, but it really doesn’t need to be for him to be very effective an asset here.
That's actually a good point on park/O'Shea/p. Neville. Yes, but that's more my point, he's a makeshift FB in a certain scenarios. In any other scenario, he's probably a midfielder/winger.I don't think there's any great need to pigeonhole him into being one thing or the other. Every great United side of the 90s and 00s had a couple of solid, hardworking utility players who would play where we needed them that week. He could easily become a modern Park/O'Shea/P. Neville.
There's nothing wrong with him being at fullback when we're playing a weaker team or chasing a game, and an option further up the pitch against better opposition or seeing out a win.
Modern day O’Shea and stick him anywhere on the pitch.