[jem]

That was very much the Dorgu of last season on display today. What the hell was he up to after he failed to convert from Bruno's pass and the ball was still in play?

 

[Stickz]

That was very much the Dorgu of last season on display today. What the hell was he up to after he failed to convert from Bruno's pass and the ball was still in play?

That had me seething….

He was a disaster today. Hoping it’s just ring rust.

 

[Bastian]

That was very much the Dorgu of last season on display today. What the hell was he up to after he failed to convert from Bruno's pass and the ball was still in play?

I think the assist record is playing on the team's collective mind. You could also see how crestfallen Mbeumo was when he missed his chance earlier. But yeah, was strange.

 

[bosnian_red]

I think he'll be a good left back. He scored one (let's be honest) flukey volley from range and it makes people think he's a left winger? No chance. He has 0 creativity to his game, he can't dribble, he's not explosive. He's a hard worker, steady technique and can be a support player with the odd decent cross. That's a left back. Never a winger.

 

[Rozay]

I think he'll be a good left back. He scored one (let's be honest) flukey volley from range and it makes people think he's a left winger? No chance. He has 0 creativity to his game, he can't dribble, he's not explosive. He's a hard worker, steady technique and can be a support player with the odd decent cross. That's a left back. Never a winger.

Been saying it. Didn’t even have enough attacking quality to be a wing back, he obviously doesn’t have enough to be one of our front 3 with any consistency.

 

[Zico1982]

Not good today besides that great pass to Zirkzee.

 

[roseguy64]

I'll say it again, not a winger. Doesn't have the technical skills for it. Best he could be is a budget Antonio Valencia.

 

[bosnian_red]

Been saying it. Didn’t even have enough attacking quality to be a wing back, he obviously doesn’t have enough to be one of our front 3 with any consistency.

I can see us using him for a year at left wing as it's an expensive position to spend on, might be cheaper to buy a left back and Shaw will need replacing in a year anyway. But yeah his future is definitely as a left back.

 

[sp_cgb]

I think it is vital, that the club figures out a more fixed position for him. If we shunt him around lb, rb, left wing every other game, I don't think it'll help his development all that much. Further forward he offers something different to our other attackers with his direct running, strength and pace. I think he's best to settle in that position and we try to bring in an excellent left back this summer instead.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Really poor player technique wise. I dont care if he just came back from injury, he was the same before it.

Agreed. Should only be a back up LB. He’s not it.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

IMO His biggest strength is his ability to get into good attacking positions . Asides that, he’s pretty limited on the ball and will frustrate no matter the position we play him in. As a winger, he will get into good positions but he can’t beat his man and can’t shoot. As a left back, he will also overlap pretty well but then he can’t cross and I doubt his build up play is solid enough

 

[stepic]

When he was injured everyone was saying how much we missed him, now he’s only just back and he’s already being criticised as not being good enough. Gotta love the caf

 

[Rozay]

When he was injured everyone was saying how much we missed him, now he’s only just back and he’s already being criticised as not being good enough. Gotta love the caf

You would think we signed him in January reading this post.

 

[LukeTheRed]

He had a few good games when Carrick came in but his technique is awful

He’s never going to be the answer for us imo

 

[V.O.]

I think he's a winger strictly in games where we're sat back, and an attacking fullback otherwise.

I wouldn't be putting him on the wing in a home game against the team in 16th and I hope he isn't pigeonholed into that position long term.

 

[Raoul]

Good player. And only just 21, so plenty of time to improve further.

 

[dr.twinny]

What a weird cameo from him. Was he drunk? Felt like he was mentally prepared to come on for the remainder of the match and just trudged along. I’m not saying he’s a shit player but that was such an annoying performance.

 

[Escobar]

Never a good enough winger

 

[Mingus]

What a weird cameo from him. Was he drunk? Felt like he was mentally prepared to come on for the remainder of the match and just trudged along. I’m not saying he’s a shit player but that was such an annoying performance.

Probably doesn't entirely trust his hamstring after the bad tear. His intensity (and technique) for the matches against Newcastle, City and Arsenal were great.

He'll be good next season.

 

[Apokalips]

Been saying it. Didn’t even have enough attacking quality to be a wing back, he obviously doesn’t have enough to be one of our front 3 with any consistency.

Same here, his attributes are far more suited to being an attacking FB than a winger, he has nowhere near the technical refinement or composure you would want in those forward positions.

 

[Godfather]

I think he'll be a good left back. He scored one (let's be honest) flukey volley from range and it makes people think he's a left winger? No chance. He has 0 creativity to his game, he can't dribble, he's not explosive. He's a hard worker, steady technique and can be a support player with the odd decent cross. That's a left back. Never a winger.

Yep

 

[LuisNaniencia]

Just interested, have people forgotten how exciting he was looking on the wing pre injury or they just disagree that he was?

 

[Fortitude]

Give him a break. Players rarely come back from serious hamstring injuries trusting their bodies or wanting to open up with any action. It’ll be next term for him to be psychologically OK.

 

[FootyGirl88]

He was fine today just a bit rusty

 

[goldenboy]

Just interested, have people forgotten how exciting he was looking on the wing pre injury or they just disagree that he was?

For me the main caveat, or question mark, with it is that the whole team was absolutely flying during those games - there was definitely the Carrick new manager bounce in effect which gave players a boost. It's difficult to fully judge how sustainable that performance level from one player would be from just the snapshot of those few games alone.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

For me the main caveat, or question mark, with that is that the whole team was absolutely flying during those games - there was definitely the Carrick new manager bounce in effect. It's difficult to fully judge how sustainable that performance level would be from just the snapshot of those few games alone.

Yeah fair. Equally I would say judging on today's (admittedly terrible) performance is equally unfair.

 

[Rozay]

Just interested, have people forgotten how exciting he was looking on the wing pre injury or they just disagree that he was?

He only played two games on the wing, and people seem to generally struggle to accept that Dorgu has been assessed since he walked through the door here. Why on earth should people just start acting as if his debut was against City in Jan?

What he showed today may not have been what he showed in that particular game, but it is also not out of keeping with what he’s shown since he signed. A poor game from Dorgu is not a shock, nor does it need to be simply dismissed as rust at this point, given the vast majority of his games for United have been poor (in my opinion, I know others rated him more highly over the last year than me).

 

[dr.twinny]

Probably doesn't entirely trust his hamstring after the bad tear. His intensity (and technique) for the matches against Newcastle, City and Arsenal were great.

He'll be good next season.

Yeah that’s probably it. He was much better in those games as you said, so I’m not writing him off by any means.

 

[YikesSchmeics]

Just interested, have people forgotten how exciting he was looking on the wing pre injury or they just disagree that he was?

I think the body of work from the year before that is what's on peoples mind. That exciting period was about 4 or 5 games and seems a distant memory looking at him today. Looks more a purple patch rather than some magical Bale/Saka style level up due to a position change.

 

[Mingus]

I think the body of work from the year before that is what's on peoples mind. That exciting period was about 4 or 5 games and seems a distant memory looking at him today. Looks more a purple patch rather than some magical Bale/Saka style level up due to a position change.

The exciting period was when he got played as a winger. At his age it's tricky to play in the Premier league as a wing back after playing primarily as a winger in a less intense league.

He's very direct and when that doesn't come off it can make a player look a bit clumsy.

I hope he doesn't play with fear in future because of negative fan reactions from those with short memories. When he's confident he looks a real threat.

 

[ItDoesntEvenMata]

That was very much the Dorgu of last season on display today. What the hell was he up to after he failed to convert from Bruno's pass and the ball was still in play?

He’s literally had 135…maybe 180 good minutes for us.

People have overhyped him based on flashes in those three games, when the other 30+ performances (in his real position) have been awful

 

[ItDoesntEvenMata]

Just interested, have people forgotten how exciting he was looking on the wing pre injury or they just disagree that he was?

I am logical enough to see that 180 minutes where we had the element of surprise by playing a player out of position in a team set up to counter attack doesn’t replace the evidence of 30+ other games

 

[Globule]

Just interested, have people forgotten how exciting he was looking on the wing pre injury or they just disagree that he was?

Nobody is forgetting that, but it's foolish to just assume that that was his true level and ignore the wider body of evidence that suggests he's quite a limited player.

Doesn't mean he can't improve and perform well consistently, but people get way too carried away by two performances.

 

[YikesSchmeics]

The exciting period was when he got played as a winger. At his age it's tricky to play in the Premier league as a wing back after playing primarily as a winger in a less intense league.

He's very direct and when that doesn't come off it can make a player look a bit clumsy.

I hope he doesn't play with fear in future because of negative fan reactions from those with short memories. When he's confident he looks a real threat.

Ah the short memories barb. I'd argue some have long memories. He has played about 10 games in total as a winger. He was great in about 5 of them. He was extremely mediocre before they moved him to the wing. For a year. If you want to randomly talk about short memories and all that. And he has been rubbish since he came back. So right now, its just as likely it was a purple patch. Machaeda scored in 2 games in a row once. Januzaj looked world class for us for about 10 games. I personally think his 5 game run of form has led to many to completely and utterly over rate him when the jury is well and truly still out.

I hope to see Dorgi Best back too. But I worry about a lot of things since he came back, not least his random stopping while the play happened today and seemingly having next to no technique again. The hamstring confidence and not trusting a full sprint have next to no bearing on technique and decision making.

 

[Mingus]

After the Newcastle match where he played the first half as a right winger the Lecce president said
"I’m seeing him back in his natural position [RW] in Manchester, where he devastates opponents."

So not really a left back.
As far as I can see he has only started 3 matches as a winger for Utd and scored in all 3. I remember the Newcastle match very well as I was at Old Trafford and was really impressed with his game before Amorim inexplicably moved him to left wing back in a back 5 again for the second half.

I'm not worried about his form since the return from a bad injury, it's to be expected. I hope he has as brilliant a pre-season this summer as he had last summer.

 

[Steve 007]

I watched every single pre season game last year. He was amazing, season started he was rubbish. Carrick came in and whoa.

Then the injury, I don’t know if he’s thinking about his hamstring but today he looked by far the worst player in the pitch.

 

[Rossa]

I'll say it again, not a winger. Doesn't have the technical skills for it. Best he could be is a budget Antonio Valencia.

But Valencia had brilliant technique, was much, much faster both in terms of top speed and acceleration, much stronger and was more capable of taking on his man. So their similarity is what exactly?

 

[TheReligion]

I think he'll be a good left back. He scored one (let's be honest) flukey volley from range and it makes people think he's a left winger? No chance. He has 0 creativity to his game, he can't dribble, he's not explosive. He's a hard worker, steady technique and can be a support player with the odd decent cross. That's a left back. Never a winger.

Erm he’s scored a few beautiful goals hasn’t he? One flukey volley is not correct. He was unplayable before the injury

 

[Rozay]

I just think people have lost sight of the standard expected of a United winger. Like, there are several wingers who are better than Dorgu that people would be categorically against us signing. Someone like Tavenier at Bournemouth for example. Dorgu is Dwight McNeil level or so as a winger, relying upon him as a primary forward option seems odd to me, he looks a long way from being a forward we would sign for any meaningful contribution as a winger.

 

[Scrappydog]

This guy is only 21 and just had a hamstring injury. Yes he looked bad under Amorim, but everyone did in his mental system.