Had productive year at Leverkusen (23 goals in 40 appearances so far). Not a bad choice if the fee is remotely accurate.
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Had productive year at Leverkusen (23 goals in 40 appearances so far). Not a bad choice if the fee is remotely accurate.
He’s a good striker. But I wonder if it’s too late for us to buy him. He was really good at that World Cup.
Maybe the idea is to get an older/more experienced striker along with Delap
Maybe the idea is to get an older/more experienced striker along with Delap
Could be a good choice. Age wise, price wise just good enough to be here for 2-3 years. Shore up the striking department and can let us deal with Midfield area which i think the main part for us to do. Our MF is simply just not good enough if we want to be a challenge team again.
I was thinking along the lines of Schick and Cunha (Rashford, Garnacho, and Hojlund would be sold).
Schick has 23 goals in 40 games, Cunha has 16 in 30 appearances. Solid numbers collectively if we're looking for immediate goals.
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Every time I see a "X goals in Y games", I wished for more context and breakdown, for example
- Types of goals: penalties, open, set piece?
- Scored with head, weaker/dominant foot etc.?
- Situation of goal: Are these goals scored in games when their team were dominating v.s weaker opposition? Or if it's a game where their team has already won comfortably? Lukaku would get pretty good stats. Or are those match winning or equalising goals when pressure is intense and situation is dire?
You can do all of the above, but ultimately we just want to know if he’s a goal scorer. For instance, if you tell me Hojlund only has 8 goals in 43 appearances, the rest of the situational stats become meaningless because we already know the important numbers are woefully inadequate.
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I don’t disagree, on the flip side you also see players with previously unimpressive stats suddenly looking very good in a different team.
Sancho had seriously inpressive stats at Dortmund prior to joining us and we all know now that most of his stats are a product of his environment at Dortmund rather than pure ability.
Say you have 2 strikers, A and B. A scored 16 goals in 25 matches where vs B scored 9 goals in 25. A would look like a far better striker. But say if we provide context:
Player A
- Constantly play full 90 mins
- Scores his goals in low stakes situations where matches are already won.
- His goals scored against oppositions that were considered to be clearly weaker.
Player B
- plays for a team that likes to park bus.
- Usually scores the opening goals or decisive goals
- Don’t get full 90 mins as the manager prefers to sub on defensively players in his place to seek a narrow victory or draw
It’s highly arguable that player B would be the better player.
I don’t disagree, on the flip side you also see players with previously unimpressive stats suddenly looking very good in a different team.
Sancho had seriously inpressive stats at Dortmund prior to joining us and we all know now that most of his stats are a product of his environment at Dortmund rather than pure ability.
Say you have 2 strikers, A and B. A scored 16 goals in 25 matches where vs B scored 9 goals in 25. A would look like a far better striker. But say if we provide context:
Player A
- Constantly play full 90 mins
- Scores his goals in low stakes situations where matches are already won.
- His goals scored against oppositions that were considered to be clearly weaker.
Player B
- plays for a team that likes to park bus.
- Usually scores the opening goals or decisive goals
- Don’t get full 90 mins as the manager prefers to sub on defensively players in his place to seek a narrow victory or draw
It’s highly arguable that player B would be the better player.
Weird, I was actually thinking yesterday that it was surprising that we hadn’t been linked
He'll get a lot of schick if he signs but he'll do well.
If we desire experience. He or Mateta fit the bill best
Oh yeah.. brings the experience and all. Do anyone have an idea what he'd be going for?
I'm against it, purely for the fact that rival fans will call him Patrick Shit if he doesn't do well.
His contract is up next year and he seems to have matured into a stable player.
Probably 20-25m? Try and include performance related clauses
Probably 20-25m? Try and include performance related clauses
Getting a bit schick of this devolving into a load of puns about his name. Can we get back to talking about his qualities as a player please?
To be fair there have only been one or two puns made in total, which is just Schicken feed really.
Cunha will be bought for the AM role if we get him. I think for the striker role we need 2 players. We definitely should sell both Hojilund and Zirkzee, along with Rashford, Sancho and Garnacho.
He can score all sorts of goals but he's a bit slow, is injury prone and doesn't work that hard due to that. That's is why he's on the bench for them despite being prolific. As a target man he's a bit average too, more a counter attacking player and around the box player, not exactly a way out for Amorim's system.
If we could get him for 15m on lower wages he would be a decent addition to our primary striker target. Other than that Delap is a much better option for a bit mor (30m). It is obviously possible that we won't have money for Delap + primary striker. SO Gyokeres and cheap Shick would be decent reinforments.
If we could get him for 15m on lower wages he would be a decent addition to our primary striker target. Other than that Delap is a much better option for a bit mor (30m). It is obviously possible that we won't have money for Delap + primary striker. SO Gyokeres and cheap Shick would be decent reinforments.
First thing what came into my head too
Good player, but you'd think he'd have a lot of options if he is moving this summer.
Wouldn't mind him as an experienced backup along with a young striker. I really liked Hojlund last season but this season has been a travesty, it seems we are looking to get rid and sign another one.
For Schick:
Positives:
- Really good shooting technique, can score from all angles and isn't just a poacher.
- Has been a consistent goalscorer at Leverkusen when given opportunities.
- Not a purely counter attacking attacker, as can be for players in the BL given the style of play of teams. Plays, and scores, against teams in the low-block and also against better teams.
Negatives:
- Injury prone, a reason why I said above he scores 'when given opportunities' is because his time at Leverkusen has been a bit stop-start due to injury problems. He had his proper breakthrough in the 21/22 season but was then injured for almost all of the next season. Looking back he had similar problems at Roma as well.
- While he's done well against the better teams in the BL, he has a poor record in the UCL and generally feel he doesn't do well in the biggest moments.
- Big frame but not physically strong, could be a problem in the EPL.
It's a risk and could struggle to be the no.1 option with the higher pressure at United, but I still really like him at Leverkusen, one of my favourite players there.
For Schick:
Positives:
- Really good shooting technique, can score from all angles and isn't just a poacher.
- Has been a consistent goalscorer at Leverkusen when given opportunities.
- Not a purely counter attacking attacker, as can be for players in the BL given the style of play of teams. Plays, and scores, against teams in the low-block and also against better teams.
Negatives:
- Injury prone, a reason why I said above he scores 'when given opportunities' is because his time at Leverkusen has been a bit stop-start due to injury problems. He had his proper breakthrough in the 21/22 season but was then injured for almost all of the next season. Looking back he had similar problems at Roma as well.
- While he's done well against the better teams in the BL, he has a poor record in the UCL and generally feel he doesn't do well in the biggest moments.
- Big frame but not physically strong, could be a problem in the EPL.
It's a risk and could struggle to be the no.1 option with the higher pressure at United, but I still really like him at Leverkusen, one of my favourite players there.
Wasn’t there someone on here who was literally his biggest fan ? If he’s going to cost £25-£30 million I’d rather Delap as he’s proven to be at least good PL level and has his whole career ahead of him, if we’re going for cheap and experienced I’d rather David on a free.
Is this some kind of Schick joke?
I'd much prefer a seasoned striker over Delap but I think Schick's body would crumble in the PL. But there are some other guys like Mateta or Sorloth.
Good player imo. Seamlessly glides along the contours of the pitch. Great on the pivot. The perfect remedy for any attack living on the razors edge.
Last I heard was that Leverkusen's plan is to keep Schick while selling Boniface (the two have been competing for the starting striker's spot over the last year).
Schick is great but was injured for a long time, so why don't we go for Boniface if we are buying from Leverkusen? Seeing that Schick is likely not actually available?
Schick is great but was injured for a long time, so why don't we go for Boniface if we are buying from Leverkusen? Seeing that Schick is likely not actually available?
I think you're referring to Euro 2021. I remember him scoring that screamer vs Scotland. I've barely seen any of him since.
This would have to be a cheap deal for it to make any kind of sense for us as he is not the profile we are looking for and we would have little chance of recouping much of the transfer fee if we did move him on in a couple of years time. In the context of his career this season is a bit of an anomaly and he is generally not all that prolific, plus there is the extensive injury history. If he is a cheap, experienced stopgap then I don't hate it but I cannot see him significantly moving the needle for us in terms of our attack on his own.
Clearly Patrick has a stringent waxing regime.
I’d prefer a more pacy striker. Our attack is so slow and therefore we can’t score counter attacking goals anymore. We need pace especially when playing open teams like city and Liverpool.
The worry is they know lots of things about his injuries that they won't exactly tell us. Stuff even he himself might not know. Has he been offered a new contract and if not why not?
Not available in packs of six.
Schick razors aren't even a thing in Europe, so 90% of the caf won't have a clue what you're going on about anyway!
Came here just to post this.
Schick razors aren't even a thing in Europe, so 90% of the caf won't have a clue what you're going on about anyway!
They are available all over Europe as Wilkinson-Sword.
If we were in for a player called Wilkinson-Sword, you wanton acts of punnery may have been more appreciated.
Great player - a swashbuckling striker capable of leaving the defense in mutiny.
Would have been a good move 3/4 years ago