Yeah, we have to make Pogba like s*it and can't be praising him for anything
Whatever way they work it, they avg that Pogba covers more ground than all 3 of our considered "work horses".
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Whatever way they work it, they avg that Pogba covers more ground than all 3 of our considered "work horses".
Its a misrepresentation though, he covers less than them in reality.Yeah, we have to make Pogba like s*it and can't be praising him for anything
Whatever way they work it, they avg that Pogba covers more ground than all 3 of our considered "work horses".
They have, did the sums.
Have to take it up with Opta.
I'm only the messenger and dispelling the myth that he's a "lazy cnut" as he if often labelled with.
No need to take it up with Opta, they collate the data, how the PL express it on their website is their business. Are people calling him lazy?
They take the data directly from Opta...they don't manipulate it at all. Whatever way they've calculated it they deem he covers more ground than Lingard, Rashford & Herrera on avg.
That's all I ever read of supporters on him
Standard quotes about him strolling around doing nothing, oh he's a lazy cnut and needs to feck off blah blah blah...
You're misinterpreting that data though. He doesn't run further than those players when they're on the pitch for the same amount of time. They are counting sub apps as a full games which is bringing Lingard and Ander's distance covered stats down because they've made more sub apps than Pogba. For example, Lingard played 17 minutes against Liverpool, he probably ran 2-3km in that game but the way those stats are expressed it will count as a full game.They take the data directly from Opta...they don't manipulate it at all. Whatever way they've calculated it they deem he covers more ground than Lingard, Rashford & Herrera on avg.
That's all I ever read of supporters on him
Standard quotes about him strolling around doing nothing, oh he's a lazy cnut and needs to feck off blah blah blah...
Hard working midfielders run further than the lot of them - 12km plus, think B Silva has run the furtherest in the Prem this season at 13.7km. On the basis of those standards, Pogba isn't hard working.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...yne-injury-premier-league-title-a8710641.html
Should look at sprints too, for a fuller picture.
What Pogba is generally accused of is that he doesn't track back/hound enough off the ball when possession is lost (by himself, not least). He's perceived as a player who "jogs around aimlessly" when he should be doing something more...intense.
Players who are generally perceived as "hard working" (a somewhat flimsy category in itself) tend to score high on sprints (as well as total meters covered).
What Pogba is generally accused of is that he doesn't track back/hound enough off the ball when possession is lost (by himself, not least). He's perceived as a player who "jogs around aimlessly" when he should be doing something more...intense.
Players who are generally perceived as "hard working" (a somewhat flimsy category in itself) tend to score high on sprints (as well as total meters covered).
How much ground he covers has never been the issue. It's his lack of concentration and lack of desire to play in areas and do things to help the team that causes problems.
I don't see the point in singling him out when it comes to distance covered, as this is something we have a problem with as a team. It's not down to any one or two players.
When he starts farting about in his own half with the ball, trying to stroll through opposition players instead of pass to team mates, decides to day dream instead of help out in defensive situations, refuses to play where his manager tells him, and generally plays like he's more worried about his youtube/social media image than how the team does, that is the still the issue. He could cover more ground than anyone on the pitch and still be guilty of all this.
I think you play him ahead of a midfield and hope he has a good game. You can't really do more than that as he's erratic and beats to his own drum. Pretending he is a world class midfielder being held back by laziness or his team mates is where people are going wrong.
I don't see the point in singling him out when it comes to distance covered, as this is something we have a problem with as a team. It's not down to any one or two players.
When he starts farting about in his own half with the ball, trying to stroll through opposition players instead of pass to team mates, decides to day dream instead of help out in defensive situations, refuses to play where his manager tells him, and generally plays like he's more worried about his youtube/social media image than how the team does, that is the still the issue. He could cover more ground than anyone on the pitch and still be guilty of all this.
I think you play him ahead of a midfield and hope he has a good game. You can't really do more than that as he's erratic and beats to his own drum. Pretending he is a world class midfielder being held back by laziness or his team mates is where people are going wrong.
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Pogba was very, very good tonight, put in a huge shift, kept the ball moving, used a variety of passes, clearly was telling others what tempo and how to play at particular moments. The problem was there wasn't a single player on his wavelength. Tonight, he was very clearly the best player in a failing team, taking the fight, trying things, sticking his chest out, not hiding and having the quality also to play. Only other ones to have a go were Rashford (too raw, faded) and Lindelof (good defender).
It was actually upsetting seeing Pogba put in this performance, whilst the rest of the team did what they did. You could see it on his face and in his body language towards the end, he felt like every other fan, frustrated and enraged by the shit show going on around him.
I can’t blame him for wanting to get the feck out of here
Kek, practically the half of his goals come from penalty shoots.
It’s been like this every game. At one point he had 3 players surrounding him and he had nobody coming to help, everybody runs away.
We’re so badly coached, this never happens at other top Teams! it seems like whenever we win the ball back everybody just runs full steam towards the middle of their box. We don’t work the ball forward.
His defensive effort was 0 on all counts, your post is ridiculous. He does feck all defensively. He lost a header against Sterling ffz.
Poor performance but not terrible. Caught in possession too often.
As infuriating as he is on a general level, he definitely needs to leave.
No player is bigger than the club, but his talent is bigger than this team and he needs to go to a place he can potentially be successful.
We're three or four years away from being able to hit the standard he's capable of.
No player is bigger than the club, but his talent is bigger than this team and he needs to go to a place he can potentially be successful.
We're three or four years away from being able to hit the standard he's capable of.
Nothing on him today, couldn't offer any more tonight.
Seriously? All he did was slow down the play instead of playing the simple pass.
One man midfield today. The only one in the midfield who can stay calm under pressure and sometimes.ea it seems impossible to take the ball from him.
That’s just rubbish. There is never a simple pass on with this side
Put the knives away for once
Why can’t he just pass quicker.
Couldn’t of done anymore tbh. City played him well and kept him quiet. Pogba got the ball deep, looked up and there wasn’t anything on so was forced to side passing.
Ultimately, I think he wants to leave, if thats true the club needs to do business early and get a solid replacement for pre-season because Pogba is still our ONLY world class player. He will need replacing.
Ultimately, I think he wants to leave, if thats true the club needs to do business early and get a solid replacement for pre-season because Pogba is still our ONLY world class player. He will need replacing.
He is class but watched him closely today, stil just jogging back when city attacked.
He’s got Rashford or Lingard over the top, or backwards?
He can’t win. Gives the ball away playing a risky pass, that’s bad. Keeps the ball ticking, that’s bad.
If that's meant to be him playing well, we can do a lot better. Not saying he was shite but I was hardly impressed either.
What could he have done differently.....?
Can’t get my head round people wanting him to leave.
There’s a reason world class sides want him. The rest of our midfield options wouldn’t get a look in for any half decent side.
He’s surrounded by absolute sh*te.
There’s a reason world class sides want him. The rest of our midfield options wouldn’t get a look in for any half decent side.
He’s surrounded by absolute sh*te.
He does when he gets the chance. What don’t you understand? You can’t just wack the ball forwards every single time, you have to wait for your strikers to move and get free.
The problem is we are so hesitant to move as a team that he waits for it but it never comes, then he has to go sideways.
Whenever he gets a chance to go forward he does. His passing really isn’t his issue.
He can’t do everything by himself. We are shocking going forward, yet when he tries to break the opposition midfield and slide someone in then he’ll get slaughtered for losing the ball.
He keeps the ball, tries to get in between lines himself to link play and then he’s out of position on transition.
He’s definitely been off it, but he can’t score, create and defend for 90 minutes. It’s impossible to be everywhere. The team need to be coached far, far better.
I thought he played really well. Terrible freekick though. It is annoying that we waste them.
Some nice passes and combinations at times.
Some nice passes and combinations at times.
Disagree. He just hangs onto the ball too long. Doing his stupid I can take on three guys shtick. Then he loses it and throws a strop.
The saddest part is that he couldn't do better. Because he's not player of that level.
Didn’t mention anything about passing forward. There’s a few times in games he just slows things down when a simple pass is on. He holds on to the ball far too long sometimes.
The truth is that it wasn't a particularly good game, I would even say that it was below average but it happens particularly when you are surrounded by that lot against a pretty good team. Though it's disappointing to see him walk back when Fred missed the pass that led to the second goal, Pogba wasn't going to influence City's counter attack but pretending would have been nice.
Only outfield player who didn't come out and show a reaction to Sunday.
Defended him here for a while but I'm done after today.
Get rid.
Defended him here for a while but I'm done after today.
Get rid.
Answer me this, where are his team mates when there’s 3 City players closing him down? why aren’t they in the picture? They’ve all ran away and left him
cowardsI saw the opposite.
He needs someone to come and hold his hand? He holds on it too long. There would be no problems if he released the ball sooner. Not just tonight, every time, he hold on to the ball too long. If anything, the other around him done run enough away. Their all too static.Answer me this, where are his team mates when there’s 3 City players closing him down? why aren’t they in the picture? They’ve all ran away and left him
People moaning about him not passing quicker are ridiculous, Fred passed the ball like it was on fire and gave it away over and over, even Neville pointed out he was the only one with any composure in that side, and the movement around him is trash, more often than not he has to keep the ball as nobody is in position to recieve a pass. He was fine tonight, agenda's shouldn't cloud that.
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