They did all they could to get Bonucci back after he was stuck in an incompetent club, no reason they won't for him.
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Sure. It has nothing to do with the absolute lack of movement, lack of team cohesion or the fact we are poorly coached
He didn't deserve to start. He probably would've improved us because he likes turning up for big games, but Jose was trying to him that you don't get to play in them if you don't turn up for the others, and as much as I'm against Jose, he's in the right.
Poor performance again unsurprisingly. There are still some who continue to blame everyone but Pogba, which is laughable.
But of course, he needs to be surrounded by world beaters to look competent, typical trait of a 'world class' player.
But of course, he needs to be surrounded by world beaters to look competent, typical trait of a 'world class' player.
If it is true that Pogba only looks good surrounded by World Class players than surround him with World Class players. United have one of the highest wage bills in the World that is what we should be doing considering that is what elite sides usually do. I have no idea why this is considered an insult to Pogba. Modric just won the Balon D'Or I doubt he would win if he was still playing with Wilson Palacios, Sandro or Scott Parker in midfield.
So you're going to pretend the change in tactics had nothing to do with Fellaini's introduction earlier when we resorted to long aimless balls? Its all Pogba's fault right?
Fred Herrera Pogba
Fred Pereira Pogba
Herrera Pereira Pogba
Any of these midfield options and we look a lot better. Fred and Pereira need more time to become viable option. Matic, Fellaini, McTominay are mediocre to shit.
Fred Pereira Pogba
Herrera Pereira Pogba
Any of these midfield options and we look a lot better. Fred and Pereira need more time to become viable option. Matic, Fellaini, McTominay are mediocre to shit.
De Bruyne would struggle in this United team.
He looks like an emotional person. Maybe he's self-absorbed, maybe he's a child in a man's body, idk. But he's a good player, an important player for us and fun for dressing room morale (however, I don't get his type of fun). We've had top players of similar characteristic before and we know they need different treatments to motivate them. However, we've rarely had such player give up on the pitch because Sir Alex was a great manager and they'd be left out of the team until they are right in the head.
However, with Mourinho, everything is open to public eyes. Its clear he and Pogba are not on good terms but why make things worse. Because Jose is a narcissistic. He would have tried to come up with excuses to explain Pogba being sidelined like Sir Alex did occasionally. He just has to divide and conquer. The club doesn't benefit from this at all. Only things that prevails is Jose's own image.
However, with Mourinho, everything is open to public eyes. Its clear he and Pogba are not on good terms but why make things worse. Because Jose is a narcissistic. He would have tried to come up with excuses to explain Pogba being sidelined like Sir Alex did occasionally. He just has to divide and conquer. The club doesn't benefit from this at all. Only things that prevails is Jose's own image.
And it is not like our approach play was brilliant before that. A lot of the match was helter skelter without much quality.
This. We had a few good moments but we couldn't sustain it long enough. It got worse with Fellaini's introduction and Arsenal just got better.
People never learn. He did it with Hazard too
What a load of drivel. Have you been living under a rock this season?
Newsflash, the whole team looks incompetent. One player isn't to blame for that.
Pogba has been our best player. Remember 2-0 down at half-time vs Newcastle? He has been a 1 man midfield at times single-handedly dragging us through.
Regarding today's game, Lumping it up to Fellaini for the last 15 mins sure is going to bring out the best in him isn't it?
Clueless.
So I guess we're really doing this, hey? Reaching so deep into the bag of excuses that we're pulling out "match going fans being upset enough about his lack of effort to boo him is the reason for his poor performances and not giving a feck about it.. ps. Mourinho's a cnut and he's brainwashing you..".
This has been one of the tamest and most past overdue benching of a player that I can see in recent memory. It has come at a time when it was completely necessary and some sycophantic fans have gone straight to full blown drama queen mode in an attempt to defend him, for what bizarre reason remains unknown.
Could you imagine what it would have been like if this had have come after the Brighton fiasco when this situation was in need of a full blown stomp to the pine then? Or when he was deservedly dropped as captain? He's taken the piss for about a month now, jogging his way through games not giving an arse about the team or the fans. If he doesn't give a toss about the manager then fine, play for the club. If he doesn't give a toss about the club then play for the fans at least, if he doesn't give a toss about the fans? Then where do you go from there? He doesn't even look like he's playing for himself, his own brand and his reputation. He's doing damage to his legacy acting like this, it is genuinely bizarre.
This bench/booing incident really does present an interesting crossroads in his career. Where to go from here? Booed by your own fans for taking the piss out of them. I kind of quite like this as it is more than deserved. He's been put into the spotlight. There can be no question about his lack of effort on the pitch now, his manager can't defend him from the fans. It will be very interesting to see where this goes from here. Does he sack up and admit he's been taking the piss? Or does he just continue to take the piss and eventually get stoned out of the club at the end of the season? Gauntlet has been thrown down.
I mean, it is not like we've had an incident similar to this before in the past? Right?.....................................
This has been one of the tamest and most past overdue benching of a player that I can see in recent memory. It has come at a time when it was completely necessary and some sycophantic fans have gone straight to full blown drama queen mode in an attempt to defend him, for what bizarre reason remains unknown.
Could you imagine what it would have been like if this had have come after the Brighton fiasco when this situation was in need of a full blown stomp to the pine then? Or when he was deservedly dropped as captain? He's taken the piss for about a month now, jogging his way through games not giving an arse about the team or the fans. If he doesn't give a toss about the manager then fine, play for the club. If he doesn't give a toss about the club then play for the fans at least, if he doesn't give a toss about the fans? Then where do you go from there? He doesn't even look like he's playing for himself, his own brand and his reputation. He's doing damage to his legacy acting like this, it is genuinely bizarre.
This bench/booing incident really does present an interesting crossroads in his career. Where to go from here? Booed by your own fans for taking the piss out of them. I kind of quite like this as it is more than deserved. He's been put into the spotlight. There can be no question about his lack of effort on the pitch now, his manager can't defend him from the fans. It will be very interesting to see where this goes from here. Does he sack up and admit he's been taking the piss? Or does he just continue to take the piss and eventually get stoned out of the club at the end of the season? Gauntlet has been thrown down.
I mean, it is not like we've had an incident similar to this before in the past? Right?.....................................
Fans standards have really dropped if this guy, with how he has been since he was bought, is the answer to our problems. His talent might scream Real Madrid but his actual usefulness and consistency in showing it is screaming to reach right over mid table.
Remember when Chelsea fans had a banner calling Hazard a rat.
Anyway, quite sure the club will get rid of Mourinho before the situation becomes terminal with Pogba.
Anyway, quite sure the club will get rid of Mourinho before the situation becomes terminal with Pogba.
Can anyone even imagine Pogba high pressing the opponents like Herrera did in firat half ? Be honest and answer, then you will know why Klopp and Pep will never fancy him.
He is the least of our problems, our only true outfield world class player. Put him even in a semi-functional and organized side and he'll look much better. Cant believe Mou has succeeded in turning some of our fans against Pogba. We're on -1 GD ffs, that shows how pathetic we are as a team.
We're imbeciles and sheep and idiots though.
Notice how none of the mods or admin on here pick up on that?
Classic RedCafe
Pep made Busquets, Silva and every player to press but somehow they won't make Pogba to press high.Question is, did you see how Pep made Milner, Henderson, Lallana, Fernandinho look so good, imagine what level they will take player like Pogba.
Is that any surprise for you ? Some here always abuse the "insult the post not the poster" rule to throw personal digs at you for having an opinion.
Hypocritical mods and admin allow it I suppose.
Not surprised at all tbh.
Think there was a thread where a mod was calling a poster a cnut and a dickhead recently and the poster didn't even do anything to warrant it
That would make sense if we actually used a high press consistently, or if Mourinho has ever tried that throughout his career. I would say the same thing about Lukaku and Matic, however, Jose is the one that signed all three.
Plus Klopp and Pep have turned players who you wouldn’t consider hard workers into perfect players for their system. Aguero? De bruyne? Hardly recognised for their pressing until Pep joined.
I can’t believe Jose has wrecked the team and club so badly that a significant number of fans appear to have turned on Pogba. You’ve been had by a con man.
We don't high press in midfield because Matic and Pogba can't high press. Matic is immobile and Pogba is always too much up his arse and thinks it's someone else to get the ball. Pogba shows quality when he has the ball but he was always a passenger when he doesn't have it.
KDB was always hard working, what are you talking about ? I want to know how a manager can magically transform a non hard worker to a hard worker except by telling them to do so ?
Klopp would never fancy Pogba in midfield despite his quality. He will like Herrera and Fred more, for obvious reasons and away from their quality. Pogba is just a gallery player we have to show us some quality but off the ball he's non existent.
Hopefully it happens sooner rather than later because it's quite tiring listening to a bunch of gullible fans and posters going on and pretending that the likes of Pogba are shit because Mourinho is busy working hard to push that narrative instead of actually doing his job.
I also wish some of those Mourinho loyal devotees will follow suit and go support the next club he'll be fecking up.
I really don't get why people here still have debates on Pogba. The situation is crystal clear: Pogba is one of the most gifted footballers of his generation but he is inconsistent and not a leader.
So to get the best out of him, build the team in such a way that he is not the star man, the leader on pitch. You could see this at Juventus and France. At United, we had a mediocre team, we paid a record fee for him and burdened him with the responsibility of returning the team to glory. He has of course, struggled. Jose, for all his faults, has tried different approaches with Pogba. Different formations, tactics, midfield partners, roles, the carrot and the stick. Nothing has really worked consistently because Pogba, as immensely talented as he is, is simply not a player you rely on to drag your team.
So to get the best out of him, build the team in such a way that he is not the star man, the leader on pitch. You could see this at Juventus and France. At United, we had a mediocre team, we paid a record fee for him and burdened him with the responsibility of returning the team to glory. He has of course, struggled. Jose, for all his faults, has tried different approaches with Pogba. Different formations, tactics, midfield partners, roles, the carrot and the stick. Nothing has really worked consistently because Pogba, as immensely talented as he is, is simply not a player you rely on to drag your team.
Yes and Jose signed them both despite this. A pretty clear indication that he had no intention of pressing high.
Magically transform? No it’s called coaching and management. Finding what what motivates a player and using it to get him to do what you want. There’s a reason why Pep didn’t finish with 100 points in his first season.
If the whole team is pressing properly it doesn’t require 10 players sprinting around after the ball, which is what it looks like when we try. We never cut off passing lanes.
Good Post, and I agree. He is part of the solution, not the solution on his own and people need to realise this. Why some of our fans are so adamant to drive away one of our few top class players is beyond me.
Didn't like the booing he got, there's never enough justification for it imo unless something vile is done by a player. There's a difference between booing a collective of players for playing shit, like lately, and between been selective.
Then again, to those who try to blame it all on Mourinho, you've got quite selective memories. Pogba's not the first player to be selectively booed by the crowd, Fellaini was booed and jeered tenfold worse than Pogba, if you don't like the afro-option then we've got Nani even when we were successful. Perhaps people are just tired of his shit and all the drama surrounding him (because there's as much drama surrounding him as Jose) and after his disgraceful performance against SOTON he, again - unnecessarily and stupidly - got singled out.
One thing that hit me yesterday and that was later commented by one of the BT co-commentators (was it Savage?) is that Matić's had his best game for us for a while and that it coincidences with Pogba's absence. Wouldn't put it all down to Pogba myself, could be the opponent or the game plan that suited him, simple as, but let's see how we do moving forward if Pogba remains on the bench. To those who worry that he'll feck off, don't, he'll feck off either with Mourinho here or not. It's not like we'll pick our shit together straight after Jose leaves and start winning things. And Pogba is about that, he'll eventually get tired of not winning and pack his shit and leave. We already have the fat cnut Raiola spreading the shit for a year or so, to which Pogba did not react once, so when the time is right, he'll just go.
His performances are nothing new though. We can cite the same problems that we have mentioned 2-3 years ago, he's a fantastic footballer with technique as good as nobody's in the squad (perhaps bar Mata), the most creative player who can win it on his own no problem. The problem is that, like with most flair players, he's massively inconsistent and on his low he looks like a pub player who cannot be bothered to do shit. Every 10 games he'll give you that 1 jaw-dropping performance or he'll pull off some amazing pass and all is forgotten. He then is justified by the same excuses (lack of movement, poor coaching, not enough attacking drive, not enough delivery, blah blah blah) that could be pretty much used for any other player that's underperforming (who, from Lukaku, Matić, Lingard, Rashford or anybody else, wouldn't benefit from changes to those above?) but for some reason those don't apply to your Lukakus, he's just shit because his technique is pub level. Well so is Pogba's mentality then. My friend, who's a hardcore Juve fan, told me when we were buying Pogba, and then repeated it throughout the years as we met, that he's sad that he's leaving them for us because he's a fantastic player but he'd rather have (back then) Vidal or later on Pjanić as those other midfielders are half as annoying as Pogba was. It's a myth that he was always tremendous for Juve. He was just playing for a better functioning team that has dominated the league, irrespective of Pogba being there, and his lack of effort/inconsistency was masked there, whereas due to the scrutiny he gets here, is highlighted here, in an underperforming and dysfunctional team.
Be shame if he leaves, doubt he will before Mourinho and eventually he'll leave without Mourinho being here anymore though, that's what it is.
Then again, to those who try to blame it all on Mourinho, you've got quite selective memories. Pogba's not the first player to be selectively booed by the crowd, Fellaini was booed and jeered tenfold worse than Pogba, if you don't like the afro-option then we've got Nani even when we were successful. Perhaps people are just tired of his shit and all the drama surrounding him (because there's as much drama surrounding him as Jose) and after his disgraceful performance against SOTON he, again - unnecessarily and stupidly - got singled out.
One thing that hit me yesterday and that was later commented by one of the BT co-commentators (was it Savage?) is that Matić's had his best game for us for a while and that it coincidences with Pogba's absence. Wouldn't put it all down to Pogba myself, could be the opponent or the game plan that suited him, simple as, but let's see how we do moving forward if Pogba remains on the bench. To those who worry that he'll feck off, don't, he'll feck off either with Mourinho here or not. It's not like we'll pick our shit together straight after Jose leaves and start winning things. And Pogba is about that, he'll eventually get tired of not winning and pack his shit and leave. We already have the fat cnut Raiola spreading the shit for a year or so, to which Pogba did not react once, so when the time is right, he'll just go.
His performances are nothing new though. We can cite the same problems that we have mentioned 2-3 years ago, he's a fantastic footballer with technique as good as nobody's in the squad (perhaps bar Mata), the most creative player who can win it on his own no problem. The problem is that, like with most flair players, he's massively inconsistent and on his low he looks like a pub player who cannot be bothered to do shit. Every 10 games he'll give you that 1 jaw-dropping performance or he'll pull off some amazing pass and all is forgotten. He then is justified by the same excuses (lack of movement, poor coaching, not enough attacking drive, not enough delivery, blah blah blah) that could be pretty much used for any other player that's underperforming (who, from Lukaku, Matić, Lingard, Rashford or anybody else, wouldn't benefit from changes to those above?) but for some reason those don't apply to your Lukakus, he's just shit because his technique is pub level. Well so is Pogba's mentality then. My friend, who's a hardcore Juve fan, told me when we were buying Pogba, and then repeated it throughout the years as we met, that he's sad that he's leaving them for us because he's a fantastic player but he'd rather have (back then) Vidal or later on Pjanić as those other midfielders are half as annoying as Pogba was. It's a myth that he was always tremendous for Juve. He was just playing for a better functioning team that has dominated the league, irrespective of Pogba being there, and his lack of effort/inconsistency was masked there, whereas due to the scrutiny he gets here, is highlighted here, in an underperforming and dysfunctional team.
Be shame if he leaves, doubt he will before Mourinho and eventually he'll leave without Mourinho being here anymore though, that's what it is.
I remember when fans turned on martial.
Mourinho is briliant when it comes to turning fans on a player.
Mourinho is briliant when it comes to turning fans on a player.
The problem with giving him the excuse that he'd be better with better players around him is that it's the same for any other player in the world.
My thoughts exactly. Fickle united fans will drive out our only world class player, except DDG.
He does everything he can to deflect attention from him, textbook 3rd season tactics from him.
So what did we pay £89M + £5M bonuses + £30M agents fees for? When you fork out over £100M on a midfielder you rightly expect him to make a tangible difference . . . he did nothing yet again!
You underestimate how bright our fans are. They see attitude and efforts. They read body language. Match going fans just want to see a player put in the shift and look like capable of dying on the pitch for the shift if necessary. The booing didn't come down to the manager. Let's stop excusing these players. Did you notice the applause for Martial as he ran half the pitch chasing after a ball he lost? That's what fans want to see not showboating when we badly need 3 points.
He doesn't like his manager. He's not willing to give 100% and let his manager take any credit for that or results. He'd rather play within himself and coast until the manager situation changes. We don't like it but we all know thats what happens so rightly or wrongly....we need a manager who gets them wanting to play to their maximum again. Personally I think it's pathetic but modern footballers hold all the cards.
Call it as it is.He came on and did nothing...again.
We need him more than he needs us right now though. Financially he's doing the same, reputation wise most will blame the manager, situation wise it alerts other clubs he's not having the best of times......unless you really really want to be the worlds best player (which he clearly doesn't give much thought to)....then he's winning here!
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