Think Messi has something like 68 goals for Argentina so not too shabby work.
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Still he'd trade them all for a trophy. Point is, he cannot perform anywhere to his Barca level because his teammates and his managers have been generally terrible while not being very good himself. There aren't many players who can carry teams on their back, Pogba has many flaws obviously but still to this day, many of our fans (not you necessarily) still expect him to do things he's never done and will never do in his football career
Well he can do them elsewhere then rather than performing like crap mostly, last 2 months of last season was a disgrace, had one good game this season mostly when we were already comfortably winning, hasn’t scored in open play since the middle of February yet some people are in awe.
It bemuses me.
We just need to get some more class players in, then we won't be as enamored with Pogba. Remember the Ibra season?
For now, it's this way because he's all we have in terms of bonafide world-class level.
He's here till next summer window so you better be patient.
Well I don’t have to watch him annoy me this weekend thankfully.
This is the sort of irrational bullshit...he's now supposed to only put players through one on one if there's not a defender in close proximity and it's on his stronger foot.
Almost every player on the world playing in a non elite club is inconsistent or considered so by folks. Reason being its harder to play in a dysfunctional side rather than a well oiled machine especially when players are being judged by modern standards.
Give me gif’sThis is the sort of irrational bullshit...he's now supposed to only put players through one on one if there's not a defender in close proximity and it's on his stronger foot.
is it at @GifLord how you manage to maybe get em, I’m too old for this shit Maradona was mediocre in that final apart from one touch.
Rpy Keane also never created much for Ireland.
Because they put half the team on him as I said in my post, Maradona said he was happy to take that for winning the World Cup.
Going to be interested to see how bemused you are whem Longstaff is striding out at OT.
Not really, he was more a less Man marked by Lothar Mathaus.
Prefer watching youth try their best than overpaid overpriced puddings struggle
Sounds like the type thats happy with McT, no wonder we're going nowhere.Prefer watching youth try their best than overpaid overpriced puddings struggle
He destroyed everyone on the way to the final, in the final every time he got the ball he was swamped. We are getting way off track here though.
I have zero problem with McT but I’m not youth for youths sake either. I want us to be our best obviously but I just don’t see it with the pogba circus. (Apparently his bro has come out with some more bullshit now it’s international week) Pogba would have probably said some crap if he wasn’t injured. The whole Pogba circus is just a problem a club with problems don’t need.
I don't really think Pogba is inconsistent to be honest.
He's generally bad, and every so often he's really good. We've heard every excuse under the sun for three years, apart from "he's not half as good as people think."
Who's no generally bad in our team in your opinion?
The 3 new boys, that’s about it.
Well this season it'd only be AWB, Maguire and Martial. But that's not the point. People don't rate a lot of our players, so it's not like they're performing under themselves. People continuously say that Pogba is world class. He's generally played SO far below a world class level in his three years with us that I can't accept it.
To be honest, even with France, whilst his performances have been better, I've never seen him play for them and thought "jesus, this guy is incredible."
Maybe he'll go somewhere else and prove me wrong. Hopefully he'll stay here and prove me wrong. He's a phenomenal passer of the ball on his day, but I've never seen him dominate football matches and tear through everyone on the pitch. He seemingly has all the attributes to do such things, but together they just don't seem to work.
I've heard all the excuses, but in my opinion he's just not as good as (some) people think. He's not been worth the money we paid for him, but the only positive is that he's not worth the money we'll receive for him thanks to inflation and his incredible media team.
I had a really good feeling prior to the season starting, and though the responsibility and trust given to him would see him take things by the scruff of the neck and become the player people say he is. But no, same old Pogba, and the same old excuses. Never his fault, always a million other factors.
Honestly, I can't wait until he's gone, and all the circus that surrounds him. If he left tomorrow, he'd be remembered as a flop. Does he have any desire to alter that? Is he capable of altering that? Time will tell. I know where my money lies though...
Not happy with James @Jimmy_Bond ? Coming from the championship, think he’s been fantastic.
And yeah pogba as Neville said can do one
And yeah pogba as Neville said can do one
Happy with James yeah, he's exceeded my expectations but then I didn't really have any.
Do I think he's a top 4 or even top 6 player? Probably not at the moment. The goals will inevitably dry up soon, and will what's left of his contribution be enough?
Happy to go with him though. Got the attributes and attitude that I like, so willing to back him when things get tough for him. Needs to stay on the left though, I actually thought he was shit on the right, and I think most perceptions have changed due to the game and a bit he's played on the left.
I’m aiming higher for him, think we will see double figures goals from him and hopefully a lot of assists, touch wood.
You think he’s better than Pogba? Or just the type of person/player you prefer
For me has been miles better, stepping up from the championship to the premier league and already bagging 3 goals while being treated disgracefully by referees, I’d give him player of the month just for overcoming that and still performing.
There in lies the problem. Our whole team is dysfunctional and devoid of a clear plan of what its doing. Almost everyone is underperforming, some just arent talented enough to be here to begin with. Some are old and some are inexperienced. Gomes has more talent in his pinky toe than most of our starting 11.
Out of our starters and in the front 6, only Pogba and Martial have elite level talent. That's a shody place to be for a club our size. No one would ever be consistently brilliant under these conditions. You say its excuses i say it's just the way things are. We have the worlds most expensive midfielder playing with Scotty McT ffs.
But there we go again....
Isn't he supposed to be our very own KdB / peak Busquests ??
Why just stop at KdB and / or Busquests ??
Buy them both....And Ronaldo and Messi...And then who after that before we finally admit he's simply not on the same planet as these that we're suggesting are needed to get him to play better.
Feck....Even I might look better playing with KdB and Busquets than I do with my regular Sunday afternoon pub team....
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But that's the point isn't it? Improve the quality of the whole team so even if he's poor we can still win, and thus it doesn't matter as much.
Every player will have poor games so we need to plan for them by having other quality options to win matches.
You're not serious...Right ?? Right ??
Might as well sign my Granny in that case - she might have a good game from time to time, but it wouldn't really matter if she didn't because the other ten would be there to cover for her when she was having a bad one....
In that case, the team would always be covering for poor old granny and she'd be a liability and add nothing. So it would definitely be unacceptable.
All players have qualities they can add and deficiencies they need to be covered up. If you can find the right balance to your team to cover up the deficiencies while showcasing the qualities (provided they're at a high enough level), then it becomes a very good team.
I remember when Kroos used to play in a double pivot with Modric, put in poor performances and was slated, with work-rate, desire, etc questioned. Enter Casemiro and suddenly 3 times CL winner and legendary midfielder. Sometimes it's as simple as that.
Put KDB in our team and do you think he will produce the same numbers with us ? That will answer your question.
Pogba has world class moments. I’m not sure they occur often enough and have enough effect in games for him to qualify as ‘world class’ himself.
Having a World Cup winners medal alone is not necessarily enough to qualify either.
If we had 2 or 3 more quality players I think it would be more obvious he ain’t all that...
Having a World Cup winners medal alone is not necessarily enough to qualify either.
If we had 2 or 3 more quality players I think it would be more obvious he ain’t all that...
Now you are bringing international tourneys or once in a while generation talents. I will make it simple for you - good players plays better when they have better players with them (surprised?)
Put KDB or Silva or Salah in our team (one of them) and we would still be having the same discussion whether they are good enough or not because we don't have a proper setup or team.
I get what you're saying but Pogba was a 100 million transfer
Aye, and IMO it wasn't smart to spend big at that time, because the team wasn't ready yet. I've said previously that if you want to break records then it should be for "last piece of the puzzle" types, not the building blocks themselves.
No use spending big for a player and then having them struggle due to a dysfunctional team. I really hope it doesn't happen to Maguire this time around...
There will always be a lot of bs around players of this quality. Hope he signs a new contract and that will see some of the media frenzy calm down.
That's kind of cheap considering what's going for anything near that these days.
KDB has Silva, and Fernandinho next to him. Busquets had Iniesta and Xavi next to him. I mean seriously, go back and look at all these players and who they played next to. It's not going to paint current United in a great light.
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A bargain, considering his current value and how many league points he's won single-handedly. Some people expect him to carry the whole team every single match but that's impossible, no player in history has done that.
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