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Borys

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Pogba has been dire this season, if it continues the same way fair enough.

It seems to matter anytime Pogba loses the ball but not Bruno? Or it’s overlooked when Bruno gives away a stupid penalty etc.
It does matter, but firstly, Bruno delivers as opposed to Pogba, and secondly, when was the last time we've lost a game due to Bruno doing something stupid? Not saying he's a footballing god, but you're trying to manipulate and bring discussion down to "yeah but Bruno gives ball away too". When was the last time Bruno caused a penalty? Pogba does stupid fouls around our box all the time.

This Bruno must be some player if he’s light years better than a fit and on form Pogba. He isn’t the one I watch play for us though but then I think both are very good players. Probably neither could be called world class at present.
There are light years between current Bruno and Pogba, to the point the latter is losing his starting place with Fred and McTominay. There's been a while since we've seen "fit and on form Pogba" so not sure how's that important. He's very talented player, but very good he is not (currently). I don't know if it's down to poor fitness, post-covid, or that he wants to move to Madrid, and frankly I don't care that much at this point as he's not crucial figure any more.
 
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Bruno is a footballing God compared to Pogba.
Yes he is wasteful and misplaces passes but thats about it. Everything else about him is from strength to strength.
They are not even comparable and what we got from Bruno so far is miles better than Pogba.
Would we have qualified for CL last year if Pogba played all games instead of Bruno? No chance and we know it. We were on track to be like 8th.
One player provides impact. The other is cherry on top for super teams.
 

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Only in here will you find criticism of a player that has undoubtedly had a positive impact at the club (not been here 12 months yet), to support someone who has been here 5 years, who for whatever reason won't give us performances.

It's clear as day he's not been and never will be the player we expected.

I've got nothing against the guy but I'll be sure glad when he's gone and takes the noise that surrounds him.

I do also find it strange that people support players over the club they've chosen to support.
 

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The issue is as usual all our players can only do 1 thing well.

Mctominay can run and tackle but can't pass.

Fred can run tackle and sometimes pass but can't shoot

Pogba can pass, shoot, and sometimes tackle but not the best runner

Matic can sometimes do all of it, but most the time none of them.
Pogba has a really poor shooting record. He can pull off good shots, but he will miss quite a lot also.
 

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Well, if it's true he has decided to run down his contract he can spend the next 18 months playing with the u23's.
 

VP89

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I’ve said Pogba is responsible for his own performance.
You blame his partners far more than you blame his own performances, which is comes across like you're trying to make some excuses. The summary posts that were pointed out by @Borys is a testament to this.
Seeing as you think we are stocked on DM’s, why then when we try any other combination of players that aren’t Fred and McTominay and it doesn’t work, as we have, who do you blame that on when you can’t blame Pogba?
The problem occurs when we actually play both McTominay and Fred together. If we play one, we are in a better position. Pogba's standalone performances in the box to box role is actually inconsistent and broadly quite poor, and that's not got anything to do with who is the DM.
We need a DM.
I'd argue Fred as a ball-winner is actually fine for the moment. I also believe we need a box-to-box because Pogba can't cut it in that role. We have VDB waiting for his chance who can shine in that role.
 

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Pogba has a really poor shooting record. He can pull off good shots, but he will miss quite a lot also.
I think he perhaps takes more long range shots which can make it look bad, but his actual shooting isn't bad at all.
 

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It does matter, but firstly, Bruno delivers as opposed to Pogba, and secondly, when was the last time we've lost a game due to Bruno doing something stupid? Not saying he's a footballing god, but you're trying to manipulate and bring discussion down to "yeah but Bruno gives ball away too". When was the last time Bruno caused a penalty? Pogba does stupid fouls around our box all the time.


There are light years between current Bruno and Pogba, to the point the latter is losing his starting place with Fred and McTominay. There's been a while since we've seen "fit and on form Pogba" so not sure how's that important. He's very talented player, but very good he is not (currently). I don't know if it's down to poor fitness, post-covid, or that he wants to move to Madrid, and frankly I don't care that much at this point as he's not crucial figure any more.
Brighton
 

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Bruno is a footballing God compared to Pogba.
Yes he is wasteful and misplaces passes but thats about it. Everything else about him is from strength to strength.
They are not even comparable and what we got from Bruno so far is miles better than Pogba.
Would we have qualified for CL last year if Pogba played all games instead of Bruno? No chance and we know it. We were on track to be like 8th.
One player provides impact. The other is cherry on top for super teams.
Will we qualify this year ?
 

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You don’t actually address the point @He'sRaldo makes though; our best periods post Fergie have featured him.

Now your point as to whether he was/is worthy of ‘the hype’ might be valid but your concern about him being ‘one of our worst’ doesn’t correlate with the fact his highs have been as big as his lows.

Once he leaves it’ll be interesting to see what we do with the midfield but bar Bruno we need multiple additions.
I have to disagree with you and @He'sRaldo and it’s very debatable because I don’t think he featured much in our best periods or best games.

Our best period post Fergie is when Bruno was in the team. It was when we were on 14 league unbeaten run scoring 30 league goals. Pogba didn’t play in those 40% of those 14 games. I don’t think any other periods we ever had whether it was under Jose or under LVG or under Ole before Bruno came beat that periods.

And if we are talking about our top 10 best games post Sir Alex, most of them came from the games when Pogba wasn’t even in the team or in our starting XI.

This basically sums up what Pogba is. He never really show consistency to help the team in good long period of time. The best period of his consistent performance is up to 3 months period. 3 consistent top class performance out of 10 month per season is poor for someone who is signed to be big player.

The season when he got into PFA TOTY, he scored 13 league goals & 9 assists but 13 of those 22 numbers came from 22nd December to end of February which only lasted 3 months, the other 7 months he performed shit.

Bruno can give you 6-7 months of 10 months top class period of consistency per season but Pogba will only give you 3 months of that. In other word, he had more lows and average moments than his highs.
 

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I'm not claiming that he's been our best player, he has been inconsistent and thats the main issue - but to state that he's been a complete failure is just a bit silly. The last year has clouded many peoples short memories but against Leipzig he proved he's still got it, we just need to get that more regularly.
We do need to get it more regularly, but I feel this is where he let's us down, and himself for that matter. He can be worldclass WHEN he turns it on, but I'm afraid for me ,this is far too seldom.
 

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Pogba has lost his confidence since the start of the season. Not been trying to hit any of those famed long passes or trying the spectacular due to fear of losing the ball. He's been playing safe football which is not his game with the playing time given. It's all about his strength of character how he gets back.
 

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We need him to put in a few decent performances now.
The fact is that what's decent for him is still above most of what is good for the rest of the squad.

If he can put in a few shifts properly it will help immensely.

He's still here, and as long as he is, I hope he performs.
 

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Think the club will find a way that he leaves in Jan. I suspect he'll go on loan somewhere with the agreement they buy at the end of the season.
 

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Think the club will find a way that he leaves in Jan. I suspect he'll go on loan somewhere with the agreement they buy at the end of the season.
Agreed.

Seems like he can't wait any longer to get out. Good for everyone involved. I only hope Ed is not deluded enough to slap a £80m tag or more on him.
 

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The same cycle of debates around Pogba have been going on for years on here. I don't think opinions will change.

But I think it's pretty clear that the relationship has run its course and it would be best for all parties that he moves on.

If he turns out to he a world beater in Madrid or wherever I'm comfortable knowing he wasn't going to do it here, especially with the way we are run.
 

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Still out of squad. Have I missed something? Another fecking game we can't rest Bruno.
Ole did say he has an ankle injury. He hoped he would be back for this game but clearly not.

I think Bruno will be rested and Donny will start today.
 

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The key difference between Pogba and Bruno is that when Bruno is having a poor game in terms of technical execution his effort levels and engagement do not drop, it is why he can turn around a poor performance. If Pogba starts badly it rarely changes, usually gets worse.
 

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We won with Keane (who was never a DM but a box-to-box) / Carrick (who was a sitting and spraying midfielder) and Scholes in CM because we scared the other team into submission. And our CBs were comfortable being isolated.

I remember an early interview with Pogba at Juve where he said he wanted to learn all aspects of a CM - tackling, defense, etc. He seems to only value that with France but at Utd fancies himself as a AM. Problem is that in 2019 we tried to make CL with him as AM but we dropped off. In 2020 we tried again with BF (and Pogba as No.8), and actually did it. Pogba should see that and recognize reality. That he is not world-class as AM but BF is. Pogba is, however, potentially world-class as a No. 8 or, as Donny calls it, the "control positions".

Pogba has to become our Keane/Carrick, it is s his only chance to stay in our team. He is incredibly talented and can do that, but he now needs to grow.
 

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If it were up to me I would sit him on the bench for last one and half years of his contract. He needs to be shown the door asap for the good of this club.
 

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We won with Keane (who was never a DM but a box-to-box) / Carrick (who was a sitting and spraying midfielder) and Scholes in CM because we scared the other team into submission. And our CBs were comfortable being isolated.

I remember an early interview with Pogba at Juve where he said he wanted to learn all aspects of a CM - tackling, defense, etc. He seems to only value that with France but at Utd fancies himself as a AM. Problem is that in 2019 we tried to make CL with him as AM but we dropped off. In 2020 we tried again with BF (and Pogba as No.8), and actually did it. Pogba should see that and recognize reality. That he is not world-class as AM but BF is. Pogba is, however, potentially world-class as a No. 8 or, as Donny calls it, the "control positions".

Pogba has to become our Keane/Carrick, it is s his only chance to stay in our team. He is incredibly talented and can do that, but he now needs to grow.
In England, playing the game quickly is the only way you can be effective in midfield, as the second ball is still how games get controlled. Pogba is a lumbering mess when pressing, is too slow to release the ball when pressed and isn't patient enough to control the tempo of a game. He lacks the discipline to stick to a task that provides little reward aside from the side ticking. Scholes, Fabregas and Modric could play in a premier league midfield because they could move the ball quickly and still provide work rate defensively ( even if tackling was no their biggest strength).
 

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There was a time when a manager benched Paul Pogba deserve a sack , 2 years later everyone ( except some of his fanboy ) want him benched. As if that manager actually knows what he was doing and was far ahead of time. Get rid of this Virus and United will definitely be good again.
 
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There was a time when a manager benched Paul Pogba deserve a sack , 2 years later everyone ( except some of his fanboy ) want him benched. As if that manager actually knows what he was doing and was far ahead of time.
Pogba didnt play nearly as bad at that time as he does now. He actually played okay at that time, not what you would hope from him but certainly not as bad as this season. Also at that time his competition was Fellaini while his competition right now is Bruno.

Totally different circumstances.
 

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In England, playing the game quickly is the only way you can be effective in midfield, as the second ball is still how games get controlled. Pogba is a lumbering mess when pressing, is too slow to release the ball when pressed and isn't patient enough to control the tempo of a game. He lacks the discipline to stick to a task that provides little reward aside from the side ticking. Scholes, Fabregas and Modric could play in a premier league midfield because they could move the ball quickly and still provide work rate defensively ( even if tackling was no their biggest strength).
Yep.
And we have no one to blame but ourselves.
I blame our youth coaches, to be excact, his youth coaches.

He was obviously rased as the next prodigy, while that may have been the case in his teen years, it certainly isn't true now.

Lacks the fundamental ability to pass and move. And my opinion is that's all because of his head.

Don't know who our youth coach was at the time Pogba was a kid with us, but somebody fecked up.

And it's obvious he didn't spend enough time with sir Alex. I doubt he would be allowed to play like that for more then three months.

Yet, here we have him playing (or not) like crap in his 4th year of the contract.

Worrying.
 

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Yep.
And we have no one to blame but ourselves.
I blame our youth coaches, to be excact, his youth coaches.

He was obviously rased as the next prodigy, while that may have been the case in his teen years, it certainly isn't true now.

Lacks the fundamental ability to pass and move. And my opinion is that's all because of his head.

Don't know who our youth coach was at the time Pogba was a kid with us, but somebody fecked up.

And it's obvious he didn't spend enough time with sir Alex. I doubt he would be allowed to play like that for more then three months.

Yet, here we have him playing (or not) like crap in his 4th year of the contract.

Worrying.
It's not all down to coaches, sometimes it is down to the individual, their mentality and how they apply themselves. For me, Pogbas biggest character flaw is that he lacks focus and drive over consistent periods of time.

You never know which Pogba will turn up. If he can fix that, then he could become world class. But right now he is far away from that.
 

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There was a time when a manager benched Paul Pogba deserve a sack , 2 years later everyone ( except some of his fanboy ) want him benched. As if that manager actually knows what he was doing and was far ahead of time. Get rid of this Virus and United will definitely be good again.
Well this time we have Bruno and VDB ahead in the pecking order. Before we had Lingard and Perreira. Big difference.
 

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Yep.
And we have no one to blame but ourselves.
I blame our youth coaches, to be excact, his youth coaches.

He was obviously rased as the next prodigy, while that may have been the case in his teen years, it certainly isn't true now.

Lacks the fundamental ability to pass and move. And my opinion is that's all because of his head.

Don't know who our youth coach was at the time Pogba was a kid with us, but somebody fecked up.

And it's obvious he didn't spend enough time with sir Alex. I doubt he would be allowed to play like that for more then three months.

Yet, here we have him playing (or not) like crap in his 4th year of the contract.

Worrying.
This might be the biggest load of bollocks I've read on here this week.

Former United players have gone on record to say that Pogba wasn't even the best reserve player in his age group when he was coming through, he was no prodigy at all. He was a good midfielder who SAF didn't even trust to play over 3 defenders in the middle of the park. Does that sound like a prodigy to you?

Pogba has no one but himself to blame for the way he plays. He's been flashing his arse at Madrid for at least the last 2 seasons and even went on record to say he wants to leave United 2 summers ago. But yeah, that must be the youth coach's fault, naturally...