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He said “we” so that includes himselfYou wouldn't mind if it was Keane or Rio coming out with this after a bad game...but seriously Paul! you can't speak after a performance like that...immediately putting the blame on others.
He was awful and should take a look at himself first.
Difference is nobody think sun shines out of Fred's backside and the others. Pogba played today in his so called best role and McFred were nowhere to be seen for most of game. He got absolutely outplayed by a team not even in the CL.Proven correct on what exactly? The squads littered with underachievers, Maguire as club captain is fecking criminal. Fred was shite under Jose & now OgS. Matic has been a terrible purchase. Lindelof was in a defence that conceded 4 today, another Jose buy. The list goes on.
Who exactly are ‘those’ blaming the managers? Posters aren’t saying Pogba is blameless in this current predicament, that’s a strawman argument. It’s the constant bile for one player whilst countless others are just as bad, if not worse, that I [personally] find confusing.
Maybe you’re right, he isn’t suited to the EPL but neither are numerous other players in the squad. I’m all for passionate outbursts when the energy is there for others but this is no different than people waiting for Ole losses to pounce on him which has been widely chastised regardless of credibility.
McTominay scored 2 goals against Leeds & there was a thread likening him to Gullit, Gerrard & Davids. Fred starts for Brazil & that’s been used as a reason he’s better as a DM than Fabinho. There are plenty of examples of all our players being vastly overrated. When you talk in absolutes about things like this it’s disingenuous.Difference is nobody think sun shines out of Fred's backside and the others. Pogba played today in his so called best role and McFred were nowhere to be seen for most of game. He got absolutely outplayed by a team not even in the CL.
This is the difference. This guy cost 90m and we expect more from him than likes of Mctomminay and co and yet we rarely see it.
Sick of telling people. Pogba is only world class when you allow him to be. Any team that actually closes him down and he crumbles. He can't handle it.
This clearly shows how little you understand. McFred is not the answer. I have never said it was. It's supposed to be the issue yet today clearly shows Pogba isn't all that either is he?McTominay scored 2 goals against Leeds & there was a thread likening him to Gullit, Gerrard & Davids. Fred starts for Brazil & that’s been used as a reason he’s better as a DM than Fabinho. There are plenty of examples of all our players being vastly overrated. When you talk in absolutes about things like this it’s disingenuous.
As for costing £90mil, I’m yet to see Maguire beaten over the head with his £80mil price tag in the same manner. Fred cost £50mil+, he’s been a terrible buy. McTominay is a bang average youth product, the fact he cost us nothing isn’t something to champion him for.
As for the last Paragraph, I’m not going to argue how Pogba does under pressure with a man posing McFred as the answer.
To clarify, Pogba should leave & I’ve been underwhelmed with his return but don’t pose strawman arguments then elevate the strengths of other players negating their failings to support that point.
And we will soon hand out a new contractBest midfielder in the world on Wednesday....
Worse than Djimi Traore today.
There's the Paul Pogba we see far too often in a Utd shirt.
And we will soon hand out a new contract
While one manager is leaving and another is coming. Pogba should rather take a long look at himself. He´s like a walking free kick these days.I doubt he will sign of Ole is staying and I don't blame him for going.
We have totally wasted him for years now.
Which is why the repeated pleas to play him higher up the pitch are so dumb. You need to be nimble as feck if you’re going to try and exploit the tiny pockets of space around the opposition box.His first steps have always been slow, he is strangely heavy and that's why I said a few weeks ago that he isn't that great of an athlete because he turns like supertanker but on a straight line and with a bit of distance he isn't slow.
For France he does his job but France under Deschamps plays a containment game, the forwards only press to disturb passing lanes and hurry the passer, the other 7 players have to get back and contain which includes Pogba but in that system he generally has more time and can be led by his teammates and we know that Griezmann and Varane play a big role in terms of communication even Kanté mentioned it.Which is why the repeated pleas to play him higher up the pitch are so dumb. You need to be nimble as feck if you’re going to try and exploit the tiny pockets of space around the opposition box.
I think the way he plays for France is the only one that works but relies on his team mates in midfield to do a lot of hard work on his behalf. Without an array of quality DMs available for selection he cause way more problems than he solves. And even with the likes of Kante on the pitch I still think Pogba is an accident waiting to happen (see France’s exit from the Euros)
More than happy to let him be some other manager’s problem, at some other club.
He doesn't score anyway near enough to be good attacking midfielder, he simply doesn't have an nose for a goal, and can be quite erratic in front of goal. Also modern attacking midfielder needs to press far more, and he isn't really good at that. Bruno runs a lot, at best he can be Bruno's replacemant in that position, but he'll mever accept that.He's not a central midfielder. He's an attacking midfielder. Stop shoehorning him in a position where he's never worked.
It's unfortunate because we wasted him with garbage coaches and using him incorrectly, but there's no way him and Bruno ever coexist successfully. Though we'll never truly successfully work with Ole anyway.
It's both. But he's a different type of attacking midfielder. He doesn't need to be a big goalscorer in some teams. Stylistically, the system that would get the best out of him is one similar that Zidane would succeed in, who also was never much of a scorer. Same with Iniesta. He's not a pure number 10, doesn't work in any sort of team that United has ever really had, but also not a controlling midfielder in a Pep type team. He could be the most advanced/free midfielder in a possession team, but generally he's always needed to play as the most advanced player.He doesn't score anyway near enough to be good attacking midfielder, he simply doesn't have an nose for a goal, and can be quite erratic in front of goal. Also modern attacking midfielder needs to press far more, and he isn't really good at that. Bruno runs a lot, at best he can be Bruno's replacemant in that position, but he'll mever accept that.
His failures here really have nothing to do with managers but him being the inconsistent player he is.
There’s not much to understand. The club lose & you run to the Pogba thread dressing the same bike up in different sentences arguing with a non-existent group of fans who ‘think the sun shines out his arse’.This clearly shows how little you understand. McFred is not the answer. I have never said it was. It's supposed to be the issue yet today clearly shows Pogba isn't all that either is he?
I don't want to see McFred at this club but it would have been better today than having Pogba there. That says it all. However Fred wasn't ready due to International football.
We need to get rid of the lot of them. Pogba first.
But he is seldom used in an attacking role for France where everyone raves about his "performances for France" . He doesn't player attacking midfield for anyone.It's both. But he's a different type of attacking midfielder. He doesn't need to be a big goalscorer in some teams. Stylistically, the system that would get the best out of him is one similar that Zidane would succeed in, who also was never much of a scorer. Same with Iniesta. He's not a pure number 10, doesn't work in any sort of team that United has ever really had, but also not a controlling midfielder in a Pep type team. He could be the most advanced/free midfielder in a possession team, but generally he's always needed to play as the most advanced player.
There's 0 doubt in my mind that we've completely wasted how best to use him, through a mixture of how we generally have always played but also awful coaching appointments in his time. I'm not absolving him of criticism... but I do think had he chosen to go elsewhere that summer instead of United, Pogba would have been seen in a completely different light. But he joined an ever failing team who played him outside of his best position every time, just to shoe horn as many other star attackers in as possible as he can "kind of play deeper".
I mean for France, 90% of the time he plays against 2nd division quality opponents or lower. And France play a horrible, Mourinho style of defensive football with defensive fullbacks. And he has Kante next to him there.But he is seldom used in an attacking role for France where everyone raves about his "performances for France" . He doesn't player attacking midfield for anyone.
I just don't think he is a 10.I mean for France, 90% of the time he plays against 2nd division quality opponents or lower. And France play a horrible, Mourinho style of defensive football with defensive fullbacks. And he has Kante next to him there.
He was used as a #10 in 18/19 when Ole first took over and he had his best run of form until the end of last season (essentially playing the same role, just more off the left). On the left, we lack pace sometimes if he's there but #10 for sure is his best position. Always has been. But coaches always shoe horn him deeper because he can play to an OK level in a deeper position. But every time, it's a #10 playing deep. His positioning is all off, and on the ball he doesn't play his natural game unlike when he plays in more advanced roles/areas.
It's never going to happen at United, because we signed Bruno, which is fine. I remember at first being against signing Bruno as I felt we didn't need a #10 as a 10 would never work with Pogba deeper. It has very much proven to be true to everyone except Ole I guess (though even he realizes it at times).
But, but Kante is a one man midfield for France. Oops, tchouameni was playing. . .But he is seldom used in an attacking role for France where everyone raves about his "performances for France" . He doesn't player attacking midfield for anyone.
The arguments people formulate would hold weight if the team were playing well whilst Pogba was pulling them down but the above isn’t some anomaly in his time here. We have a £200mil+ defence that week on week outdo themselves on how to concede the worst goals possible & 2 ‘all action midfielders’ who struggle to keep the ball whilst letting fleet fitted wingers boss them off it but it’s Pogba that’s the issue. . .Tweet
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Perhaps 3rd.I’d say he’s probably the second worst signing in the post SAF years after Sanchez. At least we managed to get rid of Sanchez soon after.
Too late for that.Sell him already. Doesn't want to be here.
How much do you think we could get in January for himSell him already. Doesn't want to be here.
Disagree here to be honest, he certainly has the capability to score a good amount of goals, his best tally for us was 15 and that wasn't even with him playing a very free attacking role.He doesn't score anyway near enough to be good attacking midfielder, he simply doesn't have an nose for a goal,
