Paul Pogba being blackmailed by his own brother?

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I didn't say it was his fault and nor do I hate him, but I find it bizarre any United fan could feel sorry for him

He deserves all this due to his actions and comments in the past

EDIT: just to be clear since many misunderstood, I meant that he deserves this being played out in the media - that was the point of the original post I replied to
I dont think there's misunderstood here, you clearly implied he deserved all that happening to him because of his previous behaviour. You must be glad with this recent events around Pogba
 

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Most people would agree with that, especially the second part.

But you didn't say that, did you?

So, people - of course - reacted (to what you actually said at the time).

Hadn't it been easier to just state in no uncertain terms that what you originally posted was a bit over-the-top, and that you don't actually think he deserves to be robbed at gunpoint for being an attention whore?

I mean, couldn't you have done that after the first couple of (inevitable) replies to your post?
I assume you missed this post
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-being-blackmailed-by-his-own-brother.472718/post-29506918
 

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I dont think there's misunderstood here, you clearly implied he deserved all that happening to him because of his previous behaviour. You must be glad with this recent events around Pogba
He's said his post was misinterpreted and clarified the point he was trying to make. He'd added an edit to the post by the time you quoted him.

Always funny to see people on Redcafe misinterpret a post but then double down on it even after it's been explained and then proceed to tell people what they actually meant with the post that they wrote.
 

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He's said his post was misinterpreted and clarified the point he was trying to make. He'd added an edit to the post by the time you quoted him.

Always funny to see people on Redcafe misinterpret a post but then double down on it even after it's been explained and then proceed to tell people what they actually meant with the post that they wrote.
You reap what you sow, I guess. Well deserved, no sympathy.
 

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I actually (honestly) browsed through the posts made since the thread was bumped yesterday, but I did miss this - yes.

If what he deserves (according to you) is media attention in general (whether good or bad) rather than - well - being robbed, then yes, sure.

Wrong thing to focus on, though, if he was actually robbed/blackmailed/whatever: I mean, Pogba loves attention and all (if he hates it, he's done a remarkable job hiding the fact) - but that has nothing to do with him being the victim of an actual crime.

However, yes - I should have read up on the current discussion more closely. Sorry.
 

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You reap what you sow, I guess. Well deserved, no sympathy.
I sympathize because I've seen it on here a hundred times someone misinterprets a post and others just pile on.
 

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I sympathize because I've seen it on here a hundred times someone misinterprets a post and others just pile on.
I think when you spend years on a public forum, writing thousands upon thousands of posts for everyone to see, then you deserve everything that's coming to you.
 

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My comment has been misunderstood, I probably should have phrased it better but I was originally replying to a post that said it was sad that Pogba has to have all this played out in the media

My opinion is that someone who spends pretty much his whole life looking for media attention, even going to unprecedented levels as to make a documentary about himself while still playing, cannot complain about having things played out in the media - hence the 'you reap what you sow' comment

I was not trying to say he deserves blackmail etc - it was a comment solely about having all this played out in the media with his brother putting out videos on social media etc
I mean, there's no fecking need of a 'probably' there man, ffs
 

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You reap what you sow, I guess. Well deserved, no sympathy.
I think when you spend years on a public forum, writing thousands upon thousands of posts for everyone to see, then you deserve everything that's coming to you.
Cheeky.

I'm glad we sold Pogba, he was a very divisive personality who never pulled his weight with us. It is one thing to say 'no sympathy for Pogba' and another thing to say 'he deserved this'. 'This' could mean anything, the entire family episode playing out in the media or the kidnapping and the extortion. Nothing Pogba did while he was a United player makes him deserving of any part of this, to have your own family kidnap you at gunpoint or to have this play out in front of the whole world.
 

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Cheeky.

I'm glad we sold Pogba, he was a very divisive personality who never pulled his weight with us. It is one thing to say 'no sympathy for Pogba' and another thing to say 'he deserved this'. 'This' could mean anything, the entire family episode playing out in the media or the kidnapping and the extortion. Nothing Pogba did while he was a United player makes him deserving of any part of this, to have your own family kidnap you at gunpoint or to have this play out in front of the whole world.
It's entirely reasonable to point out that a footballer who carefully cultivates an incredibly high profile persona - constantly courting the attention of the media - is inevitably going to get far more attention than a footballer with a lower profile if/when they end up embroiled in an off-pitch controversy. Unfortunately for that footballer, you can't have one without the other. The pile-on that @Rood got for making a reasonable point (which he since clarified) is ridiculous.
 

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How could anybody not feel sorry for him, it's really grim stuff. The guys has been his family's/representatives/hangers-on's meal ticket from the time he was in the youth team at United. He has had whispers in his ears and smoke blown up his arse by people who were acting purely out of self interest.
 

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That’s their MO. Superior intellect to us mere mortals you see!
There's only one winner if anyone tries to take on someone who spends most of their waking hours locked in a permanent online war using 140 characters or less for each shot fired.

It's tiresome as feck and makes this place a lot more unpleasant but ho hum, such is life.
 

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It's entirely reasonable to point out that a footballer who carefully cultivates an incredibly high profile persona - constantly courting the attention of the media - is inevitably going to get far more attention than a footballer with a lower profile if/when they end up embroiled in an off-pitch controversy. Unfortunately for that footballer, you can't have one without the other. The pile-on that @Rood got for making a reasonable point (which he since clarified) is ridiculous.
There was nothing reasonable about it not even the failed attempt at rectifying the point that he made twice. He made his "misunderstood" point, doubled down and then acted as if people piled on him and misunderstood.
 

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It's entirely reasonable to point out that a footballer who carefully cultivates an incredibly high profile persona - constantly courting the attention of the media - is inevitably going to get far more attention than a footballer with a lower profile if/when they end up embroiled in an off-pitch controversy. Unfortunately for that footballer, you can't have one without the other. The pile-on that @Rood got for making a reasonable point (which he since clarified) is ridiculous.
Is Pogba the only footballer who does that?

Again, my disagreement with Rood (not a pile on) was that if Pogba deserves the media circus resulting from him being a victim of a crime, I think he doesn't deserve that because first it's not his fault and second he is the victim here, I also think it's unreasonable to say Pogba deserves all the trouble brought by the media circus from such an unfortunate situation, because he seeks media attention or whatever nonsensical reason.
 

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Is Pogba the only footballer who does that?

Again, my disagreement with Rood (not a pile on) was that if Pogba deserves the media circus resulting from him being a victim of a crime, I think he doesn't deserve that because first it's not his fault and second he is the victim here, I also think it's unreasonable to say Pogba deserves all the trouble brought by the media circus from such an unfortunate situation, because he seeks media attention or whatever nonsensical reason.
Definitely not.

A lot of footballers choose to have a high media profile. Many do not though.

And very very few would choose to launch a documentary on their life long before their career is over. Never mind integrating their own surname into the title of that documentary.

And this isn’t about Pogba “deserving” what happens. It’s about the consequences of creating a larger than life persona and an enormous profile in the media. When you choose to go down that path then you can expect the media to go to town on any controversy you end up embroiled in. Even when that controversy is no fault of your own.
 
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There was nothing reasonable about it not even the failed attempt at rectifying the point that he made twice. He made his "misunderstood" point, doubled down and then acted as if people piled on him and misunderstood.
He didn’t double down. He explained. The “reap what you sew” comment was about Pogba’s shitty family situation being played out in the media. Not about the shitty situation itself. The clue was in the content of the post he replied to with the comment he got crucified over.

And people did pile on him based on that misunderstanding. That’s literally exactly what happened.
 

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Definitely not.

A lot of footballers choose to have a high media profile. Many do not though.

And very very few would choose to launch a documentary on their life long before their career is over. Never mind integrating their own surname into the title of that documentary.
So?

Is he then a less of a victim in all of this?
 

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I sympathize because I've seen it on here a hundred times someone misinterprets a post and others just pile on.
There was only one way to interpret it as it was written though. You can say it was misinterpreted but he wrote two posts and they both basically said Pogba deserved everything he got. There didn't seem to be any room to interpret it the way he's since clarified it was meant.
 

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He didn’t double down. He explained. The “reap what you sew” comment was about Pogba’s shitty family situation being played out in the media. Not about the shitty situation itself.

And people did pile on him based on that misunderstanding. That’s literally exactly what happened.
He doubled down, it's on his third attempt that he changed his tune..

First post:
You reap what you sow

He's spent his whole career trying to keep in the media limelight - including click bait bollocks from his agent and brothers in the past plus he himself disrespecting Man Utd with comments on more than one occasion
Second post:
I didn't say it was his fault and nor do I hate him, but I find it bizarre any United fan could feel sorry for him

He deserves all this due to his actions and comments in the past

EDIT: just to be clear since many misunderstood, I meant that he deserves this being played out in the media - that was the point of the original post I replied to
I'm misunderstood post:
My comment has been misunderstood, I probably should have phrased it better but I was originally replying to a post that said it was sad that Pogba has to have all this played out in the media

My opinion is that someone who spends pretty much his whole life looking for media attention, even going to unprecedented levels as to make a documentary about himself while still playing, cannot complain about having things played out in the media - hence the 'you reap what you sow' comment

I was not trying to say he deserves blackmail etc - it was a comment solely about having all this played out in the media with his brother putting out videos on social media etc
In fact the second post is worse than the first.
 

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He doubled down, it's on his third attempt that he changed his tune..

First post:

Second post;


I'm misunderstood post:


In fact the second post is worse than the first.
Ok, I didn’t see the second post. That’s pretty bad.

The first one was reasonable. The second not so much.

EDIT: Although it’s still possible that “all of this” means the media scrutiny, rather than the blackmailing brother.
 

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So?

Is he then a less of a victim in all of this?
There’s two separate issues. His brother being a dick. And the media fuss about what happened.

It’s the fuss that he’s partially responsible for. It’s not like he deserves something bad to happen but it’s a risk that comes with the way he’s chosen to play out his career.

If I take up tightrope walking and fall and break my leg, that’s not my fault. I don’t deserve a broken leg. But it does come with the territory. You could certainly say I’m reaping what I sewed.
 

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There’s two separate issues. His brother being a dick. And the media fuss about what happened.

It’s the fuss that he’s partially responsible for. It’s not like he deserves something bad to happen but it’s a risk that comes with the way he’s chosen to play out his career.

If I take up tightrope walking and fall and break my leg, that’s not my fault. I don’t deserve a broken leg. But it does come with the territory. You could certainly say I’m reaping what I sewed.
Even though I still disagree, and with all due respect find your analogy to be nonsensical, fair enough if that's how you see it.
 

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I actually (honestly) browsed through the posts made since the thread was bumped yesterday, but I did miss this - yes.

If what he deserves (according to you) is media attention in general (whether good or bad) rather than - well - being robbed, then yes, sure.

Wrong thing to focus on, though, if he was actually robbed/blackmailed/whatever: I mean, Pogba loves attention and all (if he hates it, he's done a remarkable job hiding the fact) - but that has nothing to do with him being the victim of an actual crime.

However, yes - I should have read up on the current discussion more closely. Sorry.
No worries it happens - as does posting something ambiguous on the fly without much thought and then seeing the fall out !


He doubled down, it's on his third attempt that he changed his tune..

First post:

Second post:


I'm misunderstood post:


In fact the second post is worse than the first.
I agree the 2nd post was the problem and can see why it was taken the wrong way which is why I tried to clarify it a few times

But I stand by my point in the first post which was responding to someone talking specifically about the media


Ok, I didn’t see the second post. That’s pretty bad.

The first one was reasonable. The second not so much.

EDIT: Although it’s still possible that “all of this” means the media scrutiny, rather than the blackmailing brother.
And yes that is exactly what I meant which I tried to clarify

I can understand why it was taken the wrong way - not the first time and probably won't be the last

Cheers for trying to understand the point being made at least unlike others, Hopefully we can get the thread back on track !
 

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There’s two separate issues. His brother being a dick. And the media fuss about what happened.

It’s the fuss that he’s partially responsible for. It’s not like he deserves something bad to happen but it’s a risk that comes with the way he’s chosen to play out his career.

If I take up tightrope walking and fall and break my leg, that’s not my fault. I don’t deserve a broken leg. But it does come with the territory. You could certainly say I’m reaping what I sewed.
I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that your opinion is justified, eventhough it's all excuses that stem from you not liking Pogba's atittude when he was a United player.

Him being a victim to this crime and the "media frenzy" surrounding it is not reaping what he sewed, it's just victim blaming.
 

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It's entirely reasonable to point out that a footballer who carefully cultivates an incredibly high profile persona - constantly courting the attention of the media - is inevitably going to get far more attention than a footballer with a lower profile if/when they end up embroiled in an off-pitch controversy. Unfortunately for that footballer, you can't have one without the other. The pile-on that @Rood got for making a reasonable point (which he since clarified) is ridiculous.
Frankly, I think it's the same excuse the paparazzi use on media figures and I don't think Pogba "deserves" this to be played out in the media, no matter how much he used media as clickbait. My issue with Pogba is much more than using the media to spread a narrative that he's not happy at United but the fact that he never used his prodigious talents apart from a few matches.

It is entirely reasonable to point out that we are better off without Pogba while not wishing an opinion that he "deserves" all the shit he gets in the media because of Pogba's past with us, according to Rood. I don't think his point is reasonable at all and I'm surprised that you think it is a reasonable point in the first place.
 

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There was only one way to interpret it as it was written though. You can say it was misinterpreted but he wrote two posts and they both basically said Pogba deserved everything he got. There didn't seem to be any room to interpret it the way he's since clarified it was meant.
Well I didn't read his post before the edit but it was obviously just poorly written. And to be fair I responded to a post replying to the post where he clarified what he meant. Yet apparently that still wasn't enough, he then needed to be told what he actually meant.
 

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And very very few would choose to launch a documentary on their life long before their career is over. Never mind integrating their own surname into the title of that documentary.
It's more common than you think. I personally have no interest in them but Varane, Ramos, Neymar and Toni Kroos all have some form of documentaries on Netflix or Prime. I'm sure the focus will vary in terms of content and style but Pogba is not the first and not the last.
 

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I hope somebody makes a documentary about this. It's one I would watch. Crazy.
 

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Well I didn't read his post before the edit but it was obviously just poorly written. And to be fair I responded to a post replying to the post where he clarified what he meant. Yet apparently that still wasn't enough, he then needed to be told what he actually meant.
Fair enough I didn't see the edit and that that's what you replied to.
 

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It's more common than you think. I personally have no interest in them but Varane, Ramos, Neymar and Toni Kroos all have some form of documentaries on Netflix or Prime. I'm sure the focus will vary in terms of content and style but Pogba is not the first and not the last.
Griezmann, Benzema, Ronaldo. Saul, Inaki Williams and Andres Guardado did Six Dreams together.

You have the team ones: City, Tottenham, Arsenal, Juventus, Sunderland, Boca Juniors, Leeds, Bayern, Palace, Atletico Madrid, Chivas

In other sports you have Naomi Osaka, Bubba Wallace, Tom Brady, Jeremy Lin, Tayla Harris, Fernando Alonso, Andy Murray, Kyle Chambers, Federica Pelligrini, Pau Gasol, Russell Westbrook, Carolina Marin, Manny Pacquiao, Venus & Serena Williams, Eliud Kipchoge.

This is just Netflix and Amazon, and there's probably lots more on Amazon because I got bored. It's a popular genre.
 

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So what does the brother have on Paul to blackmail?
I doubt we will find out now. He thought he could start and win this fight with a few tiktoks when he just gifted Pogba all he needed to get rid of him.
Hopefully they have enough proof to get him actual jail time.
 
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