Paul Pogba revisited

[Skills]

I also don't remember Pogba ever getting overly abused when playing well. What he would get is a disproportionate number of people willing to defend or make bizarre excuses for him when he was playing badly (remember when it was Mourinho's fault for not playing him on the left of a midfield 3, and then he did, and Pogba was still shite, but then it was the rest of the team's fault for not allowing him to play in the position correctly?). This silliness IS something that was fairly unique to Pogba.

As, far more annoyingly, is this occasional insinuation from frankly, dickheads, who suggest that criticising Pogba makes you racist. Which is incredibly selective in itself when Marcus Rashford for example, received a stupid amount of abuse and criticism on here when he was banging in 30 goals in a single season, and I don't remember one single person making the same accusations regarding him. Although that's probably because having an opinion on a football forum about whether a footballer is good or not, even if it's a stupid one, has absolutely nothing to do with racism.

The season he scored 16 goals?

It's still funny to me, that we had a midfield 3 of Carrick/Matic, Pogba and Herrera available for h
Mourinho's 3 seasons here but he still preferred playing with players like Lingard/Mkhitaryan as his 10s.

 

[Posh Red]

I also don't remember Pogba ever getting overly abused when playing well. What he would get is a disproportionate number of people willing to defend or make bizarre excuses for him when he was playing badly (remember when it was Mourinho's fault for not playing him on the left of a midfield 3, and then he did, and Pogba was still shite, but then it was the rest of the team's fault for not allowing him to play in the position correctly?). This silliness IS something that was fairly unique to Pogba.

As, far more annoyingly, is this occasional insinuation from frankly, dickheads, who suggest that criticising Pogba makes you racist. Which is incredibly selective in itself when Marcus Rashford for example, received a stupid amount of abuse and criticism on here when he was banging in 30 goals in a single season, and I don't remember one single person making the same accusations regarding him. Although that's probably because having an opinion on a football forum about whether a footballer is good or not, even if it's a stupid one, has absolutely nothing to do with racism.

Never really understand these types of posts. How are you able to state with such confidence something which is unique to the individual? And I’ve never heard anyone suggest all criticism of x player is because of racism. There can be plenty of room for nuance in these discussions. Just shutting down the conversation and categorically stating that these things just don’t exist on any level doesn’t make sense.

Am I dickhead for believing that Pogba’s race/cultural background could have played a role in the way he was perceived as a footballer by the British press and at least some of the footballing community?

 

[Rolaholic]

It’s interesting reading the comments in this thread and then comparing them to what Ian Wright said today on The Overlap.

You can see how difficult it becomes for people who want to call out the blatant racism tied to what Pogba represents as a Black man, only for it to be dismissed or downplayed — largely because many still fail to acknowledge their own unconscious bias.

Talking about he failed to achieve what was expected of him. Like we have a long list of players who have over the past 10 years.

Never really understand these types of posts. How are you able to state with such confidence something which is unique to the individual? And I’ve never heard anyone suggest all criticism of x player is because of racism. There can be plenty of room for nuance in these discussions. Just shutting down the conversation and categorically stating that these things just don’t exist on any level doesn’t make sense.

Am I dickhead for believing that Pogba’s race/cultural background could have played a role in the way he was perceived as a footballer by the British press and at least some of the footballing community?

There is very much a valid discussion to be had there but I'm not so sure this isn't the best forum for those kinds of in depth grey area discussions.

Kudos to Wrighty though for bringing it to the forefront on a big platform, in many ways the discourse and attitudes surrounding this sort of thing is still lagging quite behind in the UK in comparaison to other western countries

 

[EireRed_GS]

He was designed to become a WC midfielder, at par if not better to Zidane.

Wow wow wow, calm your jets lad.. agree with pretty much all you said, but that part is absolute mental chat there

 

[Skills]

Pogba is probably the most frustrating player I've ever witnessed. He had everything in his asset to become the best AMC in football history. He had size, he had speed, he had physical strength, he had amazing dribbling skills and towards the early part of his career he had ambition as well. Unfortunately he was too impatient at the earliest part of his career. That led to him leaving United who wanted to develop him properly to move to Juventus.

At Juventus they could close an eye or two to his inexperience simply because they had one of the best CM of the time. Vidal was at the time the closest there was to prime Roy Keane while Pirlo provided the leadership and football IQ Pogba needed. Pogba brought pace, speed, power and flair to that midfield however that's all they needed from him. Add to Juventus managers of the time (Conte and Allegri) who couldn't be arsed developing him + the Serie A whose slow pace and little physicality allowed Pogba time to think and a chance to batter ram his way into any defense and Pogba became an imperfect beast of a player who was suited for the Serie A but hardly anywhere else.

Pogba should have never came to United. Mourinho didn't really liked him and Woodward wanted him as a slap to the face to the old regime. That added a certain hostility by the old guard but it also contributed for certain good criticism to be taken the wrong way. Most of that criticism came from Paul Scholes who was the exact opposite to Paul Pogba.The ginger prince became an exceptional CM despite his limitations (asthma, lack of height, trained to be a striker for most of his early career), Pogba on the other had won the football and genetic lottery. He was designed to become a WC midfielder, at par if not better to Zidane.

Then Ole came in and the agony aunt era started built on vibes and hugs. We had players who pretty much did whatever they wanted which suited Pogba and his mates JLingz, Rashy and co. It didn't help that United would develop an obsession on no 10s. Bruno came in, Pogba was expected to play deeper and guess what? Apart from rare exceptions no 10s playing as No 8s is hardly the best of ideas. Suddenly Pogba was expected to cover a ridiculous amount of pitch, defend, drop deep, tackle and do all those stuff he didn't like to do, he had no intention of doing and quite frankly didn't know very much how to do them. Worse still he didn't had Deschamps or Conte (two former hardworking CMs) to understand him nor he had Kante and Vidal covering his arse. What he had was a Matic who was way past in best, Mou who had since entered his toxic era and of course Ole whose tactics seems to be a copy and paste from FM.

Once again Pogba fount himself on a free but the guy Juve signed second time round was not the kid who was hungry for success they signed from us earlier on. He was obsessed on his brand, he had lost his love towards football or any sort of hardwork and was, quite frankly, looking for his last pay cheque. We had lost an entire generation of players (Rashford, JLingz, Pogba and others) simply because we prefer to hug players then instil some proper discipline inside the club.. So in the end even Juve ended up with their fingers burnt.

This is false. Pogba's links to return back to United started around the same time as the Mourinho links. Prior to that, the club he was most heavily linked with was in fact Mourinho's Chelsea.

Mourinho wanted him at United, same way he wanted Sanchez (most recently confirmed by Mkhitaryan in his biography). The two being anything but Mourinho signings is a fantasy dreamed up by Mourinho apologists.

 

[devilish]

Wow wow wow, calm your jets lad.. agree with pretty much all you said, but that part is absolute mental chat there

From a purely football characteristics perspective he had everything in his tool box. He had pace, he had height, he had strength, he had technique, great dribbling skills, an eye for goal and decent passing range. He had never reached anywhere near to that level of course but that's down to attitude and poor development. Put a Roy Keane in that body with SAF as his manager and you'll have someone who could reach the levels of maradona. No wonder why his biggest critics happened to be CMs themselves. Pogba had it all

 

[devilish]

This is false. Pogba's links to return back to United started around the same time as the Mourinho links. Prior to that, the club he was most heavily linked with was in fact Mourinho's Chelsea.

Mourinho wanted him at United, same way he wanted Sanchez (most recently confirmed by Mkhitaryan in his biography). The two being anything but Mourinho signings is a fantasy dreamed up by Mourinho apologists.

Mourinho called pogba a virus so yes he didn't really like him

 

[Denis' cuff]

Thought we’d moved on from this guy.

Might’ve done better without the toxic agent, though.

 

[Ali Dia]

From a purely football characteristics perspective he had everything in his tool box. He had pace, he had height, he had strength, he had technique, great dribbling skills, an eye for goal and decent passing range. He had never reached anywhere near to that level of course but that's down to attitude and poor development. Put a Roy Keane in that body with SAF as his manager and you'll have someone who could reach the levels of maradona. No wonder why his biggest critics happened to be CMs themselves. Pogba had it all

He kept getting injured. That was his main downfall. That and inconsistency and a seeming lack of desire on the pitch to do any of the dirty work

He was a graceful creative player when he was on it but he was below par for his ability far too often.

 

[MadDogg]

All footballers avoid criticism when they're playing well. That's the nature of football. And this includes Pogba. You will get a minority of dickheads who refuse to acknowledge a player who has come good after a spell of bad form and an even smaller minority who will continually hate a footballer for reasons that have nothing to do with form (and this includes racial hatred) but focusing on this minority ignores the overwhelming praise and support that footballers get from fans when they're delivering on the pitch.

Yet Pogba was getting, and continues to get, far more criticism than players that he was playing far better than. Not just in the 'he cost more so expectations are a little higher' sense, but to an extent that I consider a fundamentally unfair level. He could be our best player during a period and yet somehow still be getting more criticism and blame than just about every other player put together.

I don't think anybody on here says Pogba shouldn't get criticism. He deserved plenty. It's the sheer amount of criticism, especially for very small things, that was the issue.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yet Pogba was getting, and continues to get, far more criticism than players that he was playing far better than. Not just in the 'he cost more so expectations are a little higher' sense, but to an extent that I consider a fundamentally unfair level. He could be our best player during a period and yet somehow still be getting more criticism and blame than just about every other player put together.

I don't think anybody on here says Pogba shouldn't get criticism. He deserved plenty. It's the sheer amount of criticism, especially for very small things, that was the issue.

I think that's partly down to you being hyper-sensitive to him being criticised - because you thought he wasn't getting a fair crack of the whip - but mainly down to the type of player he is and the way he plays the game. His tendency to always choose the most flashy option, wanting lots of touches of the ball, inviting contact from opposition players, the languid slightly lazy style, his disdain for defensive work, the simple fact he physically stands out due to being bigger than most other players (or having blue, red, white hair!) A million miles from the sort of busy, hard working, low key midfielders that fans are less likely to single out for criticism (or praise!). He's a player that plays football in a way that is more prone to criticism than most other players, especially when he's not having a good game. The flipside is that when everything falls into place he's going to make (some) fans fall in love with him. A 10/10 performance from Pogba is a thing of beauty. Unfortunately for him, it was also a rarity.

 

[noodlehair]

The season he scored 16 goals?

It's still funny to me, that we had a midfield 3 of Carrick/Matic, Pogba and Herrera available for h
Mourinho's 3 seasons here but he still preferred playing with players like Lingard/Mkhitaryan as his 10s.

No it wasn't the season he scored 16 goals. Mourinho wasn't even the manager for most of that season

 

[Skills]

No it wasn't the season he scored 16 goals. Mourinho wasn't even the manager for most of that season

So which other season was he "still shite" on the left of a midfield 3?

 

[KStandBarmyArmy1993]

He was annoyingly inconsistent but attracted an insane amount of criticism

I always had an issue with the criticism he received in comparison to someone like Mata who was also incredibly inconsistent but appeared to be a "nice lad" and wasn't dancing on Instagram.

 

[noodlehair]

Never really understand these types of posts. How are you able to state with such confidence something which is unique to the individual? And I’ve never heard anyone suggest all criticism of x player is because of racism. There can be plenty of room for nuance in these discussions. Just shutting down the conversation and categorically stating that these things just don’t exist on any level doesn’t make sense.

Am I dickhead for believing that Pogba’s race/cultural background could have played a role in the way he was perceived as a footballer by the British press and at least some of the footballing community?

It's a football forum where people post opinions about football, which in the case of redcafe includes constantly criticising every single Man Utd player, often unfairly. Something Pogba is hardly more victim to than anyone else. The only actual difference being the amount of people who will cry about it, which is ironic given he actually merited more of the criticism he got than some of our other players. None of who, for example, have got themselves banned from football, or flirted with a transfer to Man City and then died their hair blue in the same week as the Manchester Derby. If Bruno did this (which he wouldn't), he'd be ripped to shreds.

And yes there are posts trying to claim that criticising Pogba is racist. I had to respond to one directly just yesterday. And yes it does make you a dickhead if you infer that people having football opinions on a football forum, is somehow down to some kind of racial prejudice, when there is absolutely nothing to base this on. Trying to belittle opinions you simply don't like by falsely inferring they are racist, when there is absolutely no evidence or logical reason at all to suggest this, is a pathetic thing to do.

 

[noodlehair]

So which other season was he "still shite" on the left of a midfield 3?

It was his second season I believe. It was a running theme on here for quite some time that his poor form was because Jose wasn't playing him left of a midfield 3. Then he did start playing him there...and he was better for about 1 game.

The posts will still be on here rather than you pointlessly arguing about it. Or you can just Google "Pogba left of a midfield 3" and there's even a sky sports article about it.

Or just don't be such a baby about a player being criticised when they don't play well.

 

[Posh Red]

It's a football forum where people post opinions about football, which in the case of redcafe includes constantly criticising every single Man Utd player, often unfairly. Something Pogba is hardly more victim to than anyone else. The only actual difference being the amount of people who will cry about it, which is ironic given he actually merited more of the criticism he got than some of our other players. None of who, for example, have got themselves banned from football, or flirted with a transfer to Man City and then died their hair blue in the same week as the Manchester Derby. If Bruno did this (which he wouldn't), he'd be ripped to shreds.

And yes there are posts trying to claim that criticising Pogba is racist. I had to respond to one directly just yesterday. And yes it does make you a dickhead if you infer that people having football opinions on a football forum, is somehow down to some kind of racial prejudice, when there is absolutely nothing to base this on. Trying to belittle opinions you simply don't like by falsely inferring they are racist, when there is absolutely no evidence or logical reason at all to suggest this, is a pathetic thing to do.

Fair enough. I’m with Ian Wright on this one, but you seem pretty certain that you have everything worked out.

 

[sizzling sausages]

I also don't remember Pogba ever getting overly abused when playing well. What he would get is a disproportionate number of people willing to defend or make bizarre excuses for him when he was playing badly (remember when it was Mourinho's fault for not playing him on the left of a midfield 3, and then he did, and Pogba was still shite, but then it was the rest of the team's fault for not allowing him to play in the position correctly?). This silliness IS something that was fairly unique to Pogba.

As, far more annoyingly, is this occasional insinuation from frankly, dickheads, who suggest that criticising Pogba makes you racist. Which is incredibly selective in itself when Marcus Rashford for example, received a stupid amount of abuse and criticism on here when he was banging in 30 goals in a single season, and I don't remember one single person making the same accusations regarding him. Although that's probably because having an opinion on a football forum about whether a footballer is good or not, even if it's a stupid one, has absolutely nothing to do with racism.

Are you actually saying that criticism of Pogba (and Rashford, who your point about is completely wrong) never has anything to do with racism?

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

It was his second season I believe. It was a running theme on here for quite some time that his poor form was because Jose wasn't playing him left of a midfield 3. Then he did start playing him there...and he was better for about 1 game.

The posts will still be on here rather than you pointlessly arguing about it. Or you can just Google "Pogba left of a midfield 3" and there's even a sky sports article about it.

Or just don't be such a baby about a player being criticised when they don't play well.

Not everyone can understand certain experiences. If you didn’t grow up in the poorest neighbourhoods, you can’t fully know what that life is like. But some people who had everything still act as though their outside viewpoint makes them experts on a reality they never had to live.

But yeah let’s not act like a baby when criticised.

 

[Posh Red]

Are you actually saying that criticism of Pogba (and Rashford, who your point about is completely wrong) never has anything to do with racism?

Weird how defensive people can get over something they can’t possibly be certain of, and aren’t even being accused of themselves.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Pogba criticism till this day is over the top and based largely on myth. That is why someone with a straight face will try convincing you he is an EPL flop. Or the likes of Darwin or Naby Keita ha better epl careers....

 

[KStandBarmyArmy1993]

Pogba criticism till this day is over the top and based largely on myth. That is why someone with a straight face will try convincing you he is an EPL flop. Or the likes of Darwin or Naby Keita ha better epl careers....

Pogba's issue was (like Rashford to an extent) he became the face of wider issues at the club that weren't necessarily all his fault.

When he was on it, he genuinely lifted the team up a few levels and that level of impact has only consistently been delivered by Bruno since Fergie retired.

Tbf, at times, when he was shit, he was very shit and probably deserved some criticism. However, as I said above, other players (who also played very badly) largely escaped that level of criticism because again, Pogba was the face of a bad result as opposed to say the likes of Matic, Mata and Herrera who were often anonymous in key matches.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Pogba's issue was (like Rashford to an extent) he became the face of wider issues at the club that weren't necessarily all his fault.

When he was on it, he genuinely lifted the team up a few levels and that level of impact has only consistently been delivered by Bruno since Fergie retired.

Tbf, at times, when he was shit, he was very shit and probably deserved some criticism. However, as I said above, other players (who also played very badly) largely escaped that level of criticism because again, Pogba was the face of a bad result as opposed to say the likes of Matic, Mata and Herrera who were often anonymous in key matches.

He was never EVER shit ala a Rashford for a sustained period that ever warranted the criticism he has received till this day. At most his worst playing issue in the end was fitness.
Personally I've never seen goal posts shifted for a player like they constantly were with him when it came to criticism. If he held his position it was questioned why he didn't break forward to score enough. If he concentrated on breaking forward to seek goals it was questioned why he lacked positional discipline/defensive contribution. If he concentrated on play making he was accused of lacking goal threat. If he dribbled people in midfield it was a crime. If he didn't he was accused of holding back. If he ever made a defensive error he was treated like he was an elite DM failing at his duty. If he did well defensively it was treated like it was "the bare minimum". If he took responsibility for anything it was treated as proof of lacking of character. If he shut up it was because he was an arrogant dressing room problem. He missed a penalty he lacked professionalism. Others missed he taught them wrong..... He was questioned as a person, player, how he looked, dressed. 24/7. It was never ending....

 

[AkaAkuma]

There probably is racism from some corners of the fanbase or wider community, but for me as a fan his skill set, pay and his desire to be recognised as a key player meant he became a bigger target for criticism.

Its the same for Rashford. They were seen as our best players, but just didnt have the mentality to be championship winning leaders. Which is what we needed.

Maguire too, he was expected to be a long term leader.

The Mata comparison seems odd as most fans had given up on him pretty quickly.

 

[CMRobbo7]

It's a football forum where people post opinions about football, which in the case of redcafe includes constantly criticising every single Man Utd player, often unfairly. Something Pogba is hardly more victim to than anyone else. The only actual difference being the amount of people who will cry about it, which is ironic given he actually merited more of the criticism he got than some of our other players. None of who, for example, have got themselves banned from football, or flirted with a transfer to Man City and then died their hair blue in the same week as the Manchester Derby. If Bruno did this (which he wouldn't), he'd be ripped to shreds.

And yes there are posts trying to claim that criticising Pogba is racist. I had to respond to one directly just yesterday. And yes it does make you a dickhead if you infer that people having football opinions on a football forum, is somehow down to some kind of racial prejudice, when there is absolutely nothing to base this on. Trying to belittle opinions you simply don't like by falsely inferring they are racist, when there is absolutely no evidence or logical reason at all to suggest this, is a pathetic thing to do.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...iendly-st-petersburg-kylian-mbappe-paul-pogba

It’s brilliant isn’t it…people have such agendas against Pogba that despite it being pointed out many times, including at the time, they still want to ignore it.

No Pogba did not dye his hair blue in the week leading up to and for the derby. He dyed it to play for France two weeks before the derby.

No Pogba didn’t do anything unusual in going to Dubai for recovery. It was a perfectly normal practise and still is. Licha has just done the same.

Loved the irony of claiming that Pogba ‘deserved’ more criticism.

Media wise he got more and that infected some of the fanbase for sure.

 

[Jim Beam]

I quite liked his personality and joyful nature. I didn't like the way he played at times. When he was on it, he was joy to watch.. Peace of skill he did against St Etienne in Europa League with the player on his back is still amongst my favorite ones... But also, when he was bad, he was awful at times. There is a solid case to say if we used him a bit better, didn't put all the lights on him and he had more maturity and leaders (even more progressive manager) around him, we would probably see more, so he wasn't fully at fault. But, overall and looking at expectations, it was more a disappointing reunion than a good/successful one. Shame.

 

[Chip]

Pogback ce soir? Looks like he's on the bench.

I hope he gets to finish his career with a few good seasons, but I have a bad feeling that will pick up another bad injury sooner rather than later.

 

[appleman]

Pogback ce soir? Looks like he's on the bench.

I hope he gets to finish his career with a few good seasons, but I have a bad feeling that will pick up another bad injury sooner rather than later.

Yes it seems so! Might check if Ligue 1 falls under my current subscription thing.

Though I do feel the same. But due to the player type it’s just hard to not stay curious about what could (have) be(en)

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...iendly-st-petersburg-kylian-mbappe-paul-pogba

It’s brilliant isn’t it…people have such agendas against Pogba that despite it being pointed out many times, including at the time, they still want to ignore it.

No Pogba did not dye his hair blue in the week leading up to and for the derby. He dyed it to play for France two weeks before the derby.

No Pogba didn’t do anything unusual in going to Dubai for recovery. It was a perfectly normal practise and still is. Licha has just done the same.

Loved the irony of claiming that Pogba ‘deserved’ more criticism.

Media wise he got more and that infected some of the fanbase for sure.

People like having ‘clear’ answers in life to make sense of things. Guess it’s easier to say it was all Pogba’s fault and then justify it through rumours or unrelated elements and turning those into facts based on 100% objective sets of ethics.

Nuance will “obviously” break their (current) sense of the world.

 

[appleman]

He did come on for the last 5-10 minutes, though for a 10-men Monaco 4-0 behind.

He did seem relatively secure and like the players trusted him. But also like a player who isn’t completely into rhythm, but less out of it than I expected.

But not enough to really judge if this was promising or not, but also very much not enough to give up already. So am curious about what’s next.

Also realized how he has a very recognizable jog (on a bad quality viewing and far away you’ll recognize him immediately) and was a little surprised that a lot of his automations/choices were still kind of the same, even if (maybe?) he seems a bit calmer in his demeanor and maybe more 6-positioned. But too short a cameo for a 10-men team to really make much out of it besides those things.

 

[CMRobbo7]

Yes it seems so! Might check if Ligue 1 falls under my current subscription thing.

Though I do feel the same. But due to the player type it’s just hard to not stay curious about what could (have) be(

People like having ‘clear’ answers in life to make sense of things. Guess it’s easier to say it was all Pogba’s fault and then justify it through rumours or unrelated elements and turning those into facts based on 100% objective sets of ethics.

Nuance will “obviously” break their (current) sense of the world.

This is absolutely true. You can’t blame people for human nature especially when they’re being overly influenced by the media.

Look at hanging effigies of Becks for example. Grown men feeling totally justified.

 

[Linerarms]

He did come on for the last 5-10 minutes, though for a 10-men Monaco 4-0 behind.

He did seem relatively secure and like the players trusted him. But also like a player who isn’t completely into rhythm, but less out of it than I expected.

But not enough to really judge if this was promising or not, but also very much not enough to give up already. So am curious about what’s next.

Also realized how he has a very recognizable jog (on a bad quality viewing and far away you’ll recognize him immediately) and was a little surprised that a lot of his automations/choices were still kind of the same, even if (maybe?) he seems a bit calmer in his demeanor and maybe more 6-positioned. But too short a cameo for a 10-men team to really make much out of it besides those things.

Pogba was part of the United team to win a FA youth cup. He was part of a midfield alongside Tunnicliffe and Ravel Morrison. Fergie rated the trio very highly and thought they had the potential to become one of the clubs great midfield.

Unfortunately for various reasons all 3 never fulfilled that early optimism and all left Old Trafford. Having great ability is nothing without hard work day in day out.

 

[appleman]

Pogba was part of the United team to win a FA youth cup. He was part of a midfield alongside Tunnicliffe and Ravel Morrison. Fergie rated the trio very highly and thought they had the potential to become one of the clubs great midfield.

Unfortunately for various reasons all 3 never fulfilled that early optimism and all left Old Trafford. Having great ability is nothing without hard work day in day out.

Not even so aware of thet Tunnicliffe, to be honest.

But, yes, mostly agree.
It's also luck (injuries, surroundings, managers), of course, but without (efficient) assertiveness in at least some ways, many talented players shot their own careers in the foot. And you kinda need a foot to succeed at this game.

 

[Linerarms]

Not even so aware of thet Tunnicliffe, to be honest.

But, yes, mostly agree.
It's also luck (injuries, surroundings, managers), of course, but without (efficient) assertiveness in at least some ways, many talented players shot their own careers in the foot. And you kinda need a foot to succeed at this game.

We have a lot of players with 2 left feet

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

Dancing getting on Rooney’s nerves but being unfaithful to your partner is okay. The morality of the guy.

The running part is confusing as Pogba isn’t quick in a sprint and probably few times does give up, but the way he carries himself and stuff is because he’s a tall lanky guy.

 

[Carlsen19]

Dancing getting on Rooney’s nerves but being unfaithful to your partner is okay. The morality of the guy.

The running part is confusing as Pogba isn’t quick in a sprint and probably few times does give up, but the way he carries himself and stuff is because he’s a tall lanky guy.

I mean, just because he did it, doesn’t mean he think it’s okay.

 

[Jim Beam]

Dancing getting on Rooney’s nerves but being unfaithful to your partner is okay. The morality of the guy.

He was asked about his influence in the dressing room. How do you think he needed to answer.. yeah, dancing was silly but I shagged around, so nobody is perfect. As far as am concerned who he shagged is his thing.

This constant portraying that Pogba is some victim is nuts.

 

[manutddjw]

I posted a couple pages back that I believe the club was responsible for creating the monster in Pogba in our pursuit of commercial revenue. Nicky Butt who was here at this time gives tremendous insight into this.

 

[VP89]

I posted a couple pages back that I believe the club was responsible for creating the monster in Pogba in our pursuit of commercial revenue. Nicky Butt who was here at this time gives tremendous insight into this.

Bollocks, he didn't get distracted and start turning up chronically late to training because Adidas sponsored a big return video

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

He was asked about his influence in the dressing room. How do you think he needed to answer.. yeah, dancing was silly but I shagged around, so nobody is perfect. As far as am concerned who he shagged is his thing.

This constant portraying that Pogba is some victim is nuts.

Not really, many players have come out and said Pogba was a good guy and a leader who they looked upto. This agenda portraying Pogba as a some dancing clown just because Rooney said so. The shagging and unfaithfulness brings question marks around Rooney’s word. Well it used too but I guess shagging around is the norm.

No one said Pogba was a victim.
Did Pogba fail at United? Yes
Was it his fault? Yes
Was it United’s fault? Yes
Was his criticism over the top? Yes