Paul Pogba revisited

VP89 said:
Bollocks, he didn't get distracted and start turning up chronically late to training because Adidas sponsored a big return video :lol:
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Sorry, you’re saying Nicky Butt who was working for United at Carrington at the time, is wrong because it doesn’t suit your agenda?
 
Brazilian_Ronaldo_9 said:
Dancing getting on Rooney’s nerves but being unfaithful to your partner is okay. The morality of the guy.

The running part is confusing as Pogba isn’t quick in a sprint and probably few times does give up, but the way he carries himself and stuff is because he’s a tall lanky guy.
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What a weird, weird post.
He just said it got on his nerves, nothing special, didnt say he was a clown or something as you claim, but said he was a nice teammate also, I guess you missed that part. Bringing up Rooney's private stuff is really weird.
 
manutddjw said:
I posted a couple pages back that I believe the club was responsible for creating the monster in Pogba in our pursuit of commercial revenue. Nicky Butt who was here at this time gives tremendous insight into this.

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Absolutely, mentality in and around the club was totally wrong.
 
manutddjw said:
I posted a couple pages back that I believe the club was responsible for creating the monster in Pogba in our pursuit of commercial revenue. Nicky Butt who was here at this time gives tremendous insight into this.

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Excellent insight there and really gets to the heart of why it didn’t work out and why many turned on the player. Woodwards “we’ve never had so many internet clicks on website” after Paul was signed said it all. That’s why he was signed , why the club spent so much money on him and refused to let him leave.

That’s also why the club failed so miserably , I’d say Pogba wasn’t the only signing made to get clicks or create headlines. It’s not that signing big names is wrong, it’s that I really felt there were signings made for the wrong reasons. How many players were signed cause they were high profile and willing to leave their clubs ?

Mata, player of the season, Di Maria desperate to leave , Pogba willing to leave , Sanchez desperate to leave , zlatan free (only one that really worked out), Ronaldo desperate to leave in August and that’s off the top of my head.

Pogba was a victim of Woodward stewardship that ruined the club. I can’t believe some people think l
“it was better under Woodward”. United were spending more relative to what we are doing now if you factor inflation and the amounts teams around us can spend. He wasted every bit of United’s financial advantage that SJR is trying to fix.
 
CMRobbo7 said:
Sorry, you’re saying Nicky Butt who was working for United at Carrington at the time, is wrong because it doesn’t suit your agenda?
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No I'm saying his story is incomplete.

Do you know what happened on the phone call to the ticket office when he reminded the other person (could be anyone by the way, not just United fans. It's a job you know), that he was actually an ex player with 450+ appearances?

He didn't say what happened after that. He just said he was surprised one person didn't know who he was.
 
Real Name said:
What a weird, weird post.
He just said it got on his nerves, nothing special, didnt say he was a clown or something as you claim, but said he was a nice teammate also, I guess you missed that part. Bringing up Rooney's private stuff is really weird.
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Not really, it shows the criticism which went overboard from pundits and media which was fed to the fans. It created a false narrative and image of him which has been disputed many times from his peers.

The conclusion of my post does show the actual footballing was the fault of Pogba and United.
 
Brazilian_Ronaldo_9 said:
Not really, it shows the criticism which went overboard from pundits and media which was fed to the fans. It created a false narrative and image of him which has been disputed many times from his peers.

The conclusion of my post does show the actual footballing was the fault of Pogba and United.
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I practically agree with everything @Chumpsbechumps said in the post above about the whole story.
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Pogba was a mercurial player and could do some magical things on the pitch which looking back i appreciate more now. Problem is he was also inconsistent, having a flair player like this with a exuberant personality (i personally don't mind it but rubs certain people the wrong way (generally older people)) made him an easy target when the team struggles. In better circumstances and environment i think he would have done a lot better and his flaws would be less visible. I also felt he was mis-profiled/used, often played in a midfield 2 when he clearly wasn't a CM.
 
manutddjw said:
I posted a couple pages back that I believe the club was responsible for creating the monster in Pogba in our pursuit of commercial revenue. Nicky Butt who was here at this time gives tremendous insight into this.

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I think Nicky Butt is up there as the biggest nonsense talker of them all. Some of his takes are ridiculous.

He's also baffled that Keane has never been the United manager. Says he can't get his head around it.

Of course Pogba did more commercial stuff than his generation. All the big name players do now.
 
Yagami said:
Rooney, our captain and longest serving player at the time, liked Pogba? He had no issues with him just like every teammate of his ever?

What a virus.
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Has the accusation ever been that one to one Pogba was a dislikeable person?

I don't think that's ever been the issue people have raised. He is obviously a likeable guy off the field.

What amazes me thougg is that we now have hindsight. We've seen how his career has imploded bit by bit.

And yet people are still saying there's no issue with him. What is he, just incredibly unlucky?
 
Marwood said:
Has the accusation ever been that one to one Pogba was a dislikeable person?

I don't think that's ever been the issue people have raised. He is obviously a likeable guy off the field.

What amazes me thougg is that we now have hindsight. We've seen how his career has imploded bit by bit.

And yet people are still saying there's no issue with him. What is he, just incredibly unlucky?
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Calling someone a “virus” tends to mean they’re not the nicest of people, yes. I’m not gonna call someone I like a virus.

His body broke down. Not much you can do about it that.
 
Yagami said:
Calling someone a “virus” tends to mean they’re not the nicest of people, yes. I’m not gonna call someone I like a virus.

His body broke down. Not much you can do about it that.
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I've said this before but compare his physique when he arrived from Juve to when he left again for Juve. Much heavier set. Not the same athlete. That's on him. As is the drug taking.

As were his performances before the injuries kicked in.

People said, incl myself, that his approach to his job wasn't right. It was juvenile on and off the pitch and it's played out that way since. He's blown the second part of his career.

I don't know who called him a virus, it's an unpleasant word. But he definitely came across as the leader of the grown men acting like teenagers brigade.

Same with Lingard. Look how his career has gone.

It's not a coincidence both wasted half their careers.
 
Marwood said:
I've said this before but compare his physique when he arrived from Juve to when he left again for Juve. Much heavier set. Not the same athlete. That's on him. As is the drug taking.

As were his performances before the injuries kicked in.

People said, incl myself, that his approach to his job wasn't right. It was juvenile on and off the pitch and it's played out that way since. He's blown the second part of his career.

I don't know who called him a virus, it's an unpleasant word.

But he definitely came across as the leader of the grown men acting like teenagers brigade.

Same with Lingard. Look how his career has gone.
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Even though I disagree, I'm not arguing about his performances here. I think it's fine to think he could've done better even though I personally never had a problem with his performances.

You're right that he was nowhere near as fit as he was when he joined but, again, I think that was due to the constant injuries catching up on him than him being an unprofessional trainer. I never heard anyone say he was poor in training.

Keep in mind that, even with their problems, José kept playing him and he showed here that he would completely drop you from the squad if you weren't doing well in training. He completely isolated Schweinsteiger because he was unfit, and completely dropped Mkhitaryan at the beginning of the 16/17 season for a while, too.

Rooney also grew up in that era where training was harder than most games and only has positive things to say about him. If he was slacking, Rooney wouldn't be afraid to mention it.

I think it's completely different to Lingard. Lingard didn't have these constant injuries. He turned down clubs because he wanted the money here, and then left for more money elsewhere after sinking in value due to hardly playing after refusing to leave.

If Pogba could stay fit, he'd still be playing at a high level. In saying that, Monaco is still a decent level. They probably won't have it next season at this rate but they're in the Champions League at the moment.
 
Marwood said:
I've said this before but compare his physique when he arrived from Juve to when he left again for Juve. Much heavier set. Not the same athlete. That's on him. As is the drug taking.

As were his performances before the injuries kicked in.

People said, incl myself, that his approach to his job wasn't right. It was juvenile on and off the pitch and it's played out that way since. He's blown the second part of his career.

I don't know who called him a virus, it's an unpleasant word. But he definitely came across as the leader of the grown men acting like teenagers brigade.

Same with Lingard. Look how his career has gone.
It's not a coincidence both wasted half their careers.
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This is hilarious. Despite anyone who ever trained and played with Pogba dispelling this myth…they are nonsense talkers. Because Marwood off the internet knows.

Nicky Butt must be one of the straightest talking people there is by the way. He’s down to earth and doesn’t speculate. He just deals in the reality of his experiences and opinions. Just because you disagree with his opinion doesn’t make him a liar.
 
CMRobbo7 said:
This is hilarious. Despite anyone who ever trained and played with Pogba dispelling this myth…they are nonsense talkers. Because Marwood off the internet knows.

Nicky Butt must be one of the straightest talking people there is by the way. He’s down to earth and doesn’t speculate. He just deals in the reality of his experiences and opinions. Just because you disagree with his opinion doesn’t make him a liar.
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We watched him play football every week, pay to do so, but we can't have an opinion on his in game approach? I thought he played the game in a juvenile fashion. Other ex pros agree.

Nobody is calling Nicky Butt a liar. Where did you get that from?
 
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