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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?


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Actually, none of that is true. I speak English, Spanish, German, Dutch and French. Dutch, English and German are very similar -> Germanic languages. Spanish and French are similar -> latin languages.
Nederlands & Engels zijn weliswaar Germaans van oorsprong, maar lijken hedendaags niet op elkaar. Spreekt Pogba ook Nederlands?
 

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I remember one time a French a Spanish and a Italian were all speaking to each other and I thought it sounded odd as they were all speaking there native languages and we're having a full conversation... Turned out they all understood each other and said they are similar which I at the time thought was amazing but I can't understand non of them apart from the odd word!
You can "understand" the general idea but at the end, there are some differences. You need to have a creative mind to guess that this word means this...

For example, when you take the Squadra Azzura in Italian, the first word for the team is closer to the English squad, but Azzura is closer to anything azur (blue) in French, though it's just a color not often used in its adjective form in French.

As a French, I can often read Italian newspapers, especially sports news :).
It's harder for Spanish newspapers and definitely not possible for Portuguese.
I know people say Spanish should be easy for me but for some reason, I don't really get what they're saying.

As a "lose" German speaker I can follow a bit Dutch and when I read Swedish, I recognize some words. But still hard.

I am also Korean by ethnicity and there, it's really not useful cause I can't really understand any of the Japanese or Chinese "natively".
When you write in Chinese characters, you can "understand" based on the meaning but not pronounce it.
When I "hear" some of the Japanese words, they make sense to me based on the Korean (and the Japanese colonization era which introduced some of their words in the language).

It's a complicated world but I suppose knowing a lot of language should be a fantastic way to get to know people, and discuss!
 

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Maybe, but we have been playing 4-2-3-1 in all the friendly games so I dont think we are suddenly going to change to 4-3-3 now he has come. Mourinho has been chasing him for weeks and surely planning the squad with his arrival in mind.
Personally I dont buy in to a lot of this tactical talk of formations and all the like. 4-4-2 is supposedly dead yet Leicester did alright with it last season. Tactically Mourinho is arguably the best around for getting results so Im sure he has something in mind regarding the 4-2-3-1 with Pogba in it as he has already said he sees Pogba as a Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard type player. I do totally agree with you regarding Mensah and the fact currently we dont really have an ideal partner for him though. I actually think Blind isnt a bad option stop gap wise along with Carrick who still has plenty to offer I think even if it isnt week in week out. He may be past his best, but not in the same way Schweinsteiger is for example
I understand what you're saying re tactics and formations but it all boils down to the basic fact that you don't break the world transfer record for a player and not use them to their strengths (unless if you are Real Madrid and already have an absolute legend already playing that role). If we play 4-2-3-1 with Pogba alongside Carrick we are asking for trouble imo. Leicester's 4-4-2 had Kante, an all action player, alongside Drinkwater in the holding role, that's different from Pogba and Carrick so for balance's sake we need a defensive box to box mid.
 

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Good lord, his crossing range is Scholes-esque. Then his dribbling is really astonishing. Good lord, thank you that we got him.
He will do that if we put him in a free role behind strikers.
If we play him like Deschamps in the French team: it will be a disaster.
 

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Just seen that 28 min video. Very impressive. Didn't know he was a dead ball specialist. He loves that Hollywood pass out to the right wing too. Some great flicks and feints and shimmies. Good vision. He has good pace too.

The only negative I can see is that at times when he sticks his leg out to nick the ball he leaves himself a bit open to getting injured. It's obviously part of his game to draw an opposition player in then nick it past him or toe end the ball to a team mate. If he comes up against some meathead with bad timing he's at risk.

Can't wait for the official announcement. :)
 

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Just seen that 28 min video. Very impressive. Didn't know he was a dead ball specialist. He loves that Hollywood pass out to the right wing too. Some great flicks and feints and shimmies. Good vision. He has good pace too.

The only negative I can see is that at times when he sticks his leg out to nick the ball he leaves himself a bit open to getting injured. It's obviously part of his game to draw an opposition player in then nick it past him or toe end the ball to a team mate. If he comes up against some meathead with bad timing he's at risk.

Can't wait for the official announcement. :)
He's pretty sturdy himself and his injury record is good. Obviously starting every week in the premier league is a different ball game but I think he can handle himself!
 

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Hmm, I know there are some similar words in French compared to Portuguese but few. I remember this French audio class that I was taking and the presenter said that French was very English friendly and that they were cousins of sorts. I have been to France and although I have learnt a few French words, it really is a different language and French speakers have me boggled when I hear them talk.
 

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He's pretty sturdy himself and his injury record is good. Obviously starting every week in the premier league is a different ball game but I think he can handle himself!
Yeah I really hope so. I guess I'm still not over the Shaw injury from last season so feeling bit paranoid!
 

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Looks like he can also take on Rooney's mantle of mandatory floated diagonal pass to Valencia every game.
 

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Mittens piece says Raiola will be there tomorrow to contimue negotiations on the finer details. Maybe not quite as imminent as I thought

Hopefully he'll be in the squad for Bournemouth and it doesn't drag all week
 

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Hmm, I know there are some similar words in French compared to Portuguese but few. I remember this French audio class that I was taking and the presenter said that French was very English friendly and that they were cousins of sorts. I have been to France and although I have learnt a few French words, it really is a different language and French speakers have me boggled when I hear them talk.
No, English is a Germanic language actually, whereas French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish and Romanian are all Romance languages. French may be 'friendly' to English due to language transfer from French to English due to various reasons, such as conquests or French being the 'higher' language for some time.
 

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No, English is a Germanic language actually, whereas French, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish and Romanian are all Romance languages. French may be 'friendly' to English due to language transfer from French to English due to various reasons, such as conquests or French being the 'higher' language for some time.
I understand that thanks. From personal experience though, it's different.
 
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Actually, none of that is true. I speak English, Spanish, German, Dutch and French. Dutch, English and German are very similar -> Germanic languages. Spanish and French are similar -> latin/romance languages.
English has a ton of words that are very similar to the latin languages as well. I think the sentence structure of English is more like German, but the vocabulary is a big mix. The Norman invasion brought a lot of French influence to England, though the Normans themselves were heavily influenced by the Vikings. Linguists say that English is easily the hardest "Western" language for a non-native speaker to learn, and I believe that's because it's basically a hodgepodge of various languages. Think about how many contradictions/exceptions there are. "I" before "E", except after "C", but with some other random exceptions. Where/wear/ware. Their/there/they're. Letters that are pronounced in some words, but no in others, with little rhyme or reason. It's really a mess of a language. I'm glad it's my native language, as it would be a pain in the ass to learn later in the life.

Damn, this thread really digresses when the news goes quiet.
 

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Im absolutley buzzing to hear what he's got to say about his return. What a signing this truely is. After many summers of disappointment, with players seeming oh so close to signing and then it being torn away from us right at the end.

Woody, i salute you.
 

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Mittens piece says Raiola will be there tomorrow to contimue negotiations on the finer details. Maybe not quite as imminent as I thought

Hopefully he'll be in the squad for Bournemouth and it doesn't drag all week
It'll be announced in the morning I expect. Even if Raiola's payment isn't yet sorted, it won't hold up the deal. Am pretty sure it's sorted though. Mitten always does a good job of being quite engaging and writing pieces that seem quite interesting and insightful on a first read before closer analysis tells you he knows very little.
 

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God we've needed a player in the middle for so long who can carry the ball and drive the team forward, dare I say, attacking the space. Cannot wait to see Pogba in action.
My worry is he's played too deep to accommodate Rooney ahead of him and as a result we don't get the best out of him.
 

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English has a ton of words that are very similar to the latin languages as well. I think the sentence structure of English is more like German, but the vocabulary is a big mix. The Norman invasion brought a lot of French influence to England, though the Normans themselves were heavily influenced by the Vikings. Linguists say that English is easily the hardest "Western" language for a non-native speaker to learn, and I believe that's because it's basically a hodgepodge of various languages. Think about how many contradictions/exceptions there are. "I" before "E", except after "C", but with some other random exceptions. Where/wear/ware. Their/there/they're. Letters that are pronounced in some words, but no in others, with little rhyme or reason. It's really a mess of a language. I'm glad it's my native language, as it would be a pain in the ass to learn later in the life.

Damn, this thread really digresses when the news goes quiet.
It goes even further than that I believe to the 1700's/1800's when the King or Queens of the two countries were related. If I remember my history correctly. I certainly remember the French course being made easier when the English audio instructor compared the languages and suggest certain changes to a few letters to help.
 

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My worry is he's played too deep to accommodate Rooney ahead of him and as a result we don't get the best out of him.
I worry about that too, that said it's such an integral part of his game that I could still see him carrying the ball from deep for us, even if it's not the best place for him to be. Might leave us a little light on the counter though.
 

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Just seen that 28 min video. Very impressive. Didn't know he was a dead ball specialist. He loves that Hollywood pass out to the right wing too. Some great flicks and feints and shimmies. Good vision. He has good pace too.

The only negative I can see is that at times when he sticks his leg out to nick the ball he leaves himself a bit open to getting injured. It's obviously part of his game to draw an opposition player in then nick it past him or toe end the ball to a team mate. If he comes up against some meathead with bad timing he's at risk.

Can't wait for the official announcement. :)
That video also showed that Pogba should have had a crap load more assists than he ended with. Really astonishing his foot work.
 
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That video also showed that Pogba should have had a crap load more assists than he ended with. Really astonishing his foot work.
Those Juve strikers squandered a lot of his good work.
 

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@VanGaalEra just finished watching that 28 min vid it really does sum him up as a player. Was nice to see they avoided the actual goals and assists till later on aswell so you can see just how many chances he creates. Going to be a special player for us these coming seasons that's for sure! Hope to see all my fellow pogba muppets over at my draft match tomorrow. Pogba has his own special write up and it will be a chance for you all to watch that 28 min video again!
 

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You can "understand" the general idea but at the end, there are some differences. You need to have a creative mind to guess that this word means this...

For example, when you take the Squadra Azzura in Italian, the first word for the team is closer to the English squad, but Azzura is closer to anything azur (blue) in French, though it's just a color not often used in its adjective form in French.

As a French, I can often read Italian newspapers, especially sports news :).
It's harder for Spanish newspapers and definitely not possible for Portuguese.
I know people say Spanish should be easy for me but for some reason, I don't really get what they're saying.

As a "lose" German speaker I can follow a bit Dutch and when I read Swedish, I recognize some words. But still hard.

I am also Korean by ethnicity and there, it's really not useful cause I can't really understand any of the Japanese or Chinese "natively".
When you write in Chinese characters, you can "understand" based on the meaning but not pronounce it.
When I "hear" some of the Japanese words, they make sense to me based on the Korean (and the Japanese colonization era which introduced some of their words in the language).

It's a complicated world but I suppose knowing a lot of language should be a fantastic way to get to know people, and discuss!
Wow must be brilliant to have understanding of all those languages. I can speak Punjabi, Hindi and Urdu as they are very similar, and believe it or not when I go to Dubai (few times a year) the Urdu comes in handy as being of Indian origin they don't want to speak English with me.
 

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I wonder how Ravel Morrison feels about seeing his ex-team mate at OT on that salary. If only he could wise or grow up !!

If he grows up and starts playing to his potential , we might need another £ 100 million to bring him back, if he plays to his potential he is better than Pogba