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It's not so much a question of the player not wanting to leave, but in Dybalas case he wanted a crazy wage increase to even entertain coming here. I would absolutely have loved Dybala coming here, but with the right motivation.
It's regular bump. 30% is what you expect when moving clubs.
 

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So how does that work then? Does that mean Juventus aren't allowed to use him for marketing campaigns etc? Or have to negotiate with the 3rd party for everytime they or their sponsors want to use his image?
Juve can use him but they have to pay this company instead of Dybala I would assume.
 

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Obviously I don't know the exact figures, i'm just going off what's being reported.

The figure Ornstein and a few others mentioned was circa that amount. I assume that has to be paid directly to the company, and that's without any additional agent/club/player fees. I assume it's more out of principle than the money itself?

Something is obviously very shady though, look at Evra's instagram post, he obviously knows it's more than Dybala "refusing" to join us, but the kid is a bit stuck.
It's complicated because Dybala is in a legal dispute with his former agency, Star Images, who are suing Dybala for breach of a 10 year contract in 2017. IF they win, they own the image rights, not Dybalas current entourage. And that can get really expensive for the club. That's the big complication. Not to mention what might happen to the agent fees that will also become a dispute. Manchester United wanted no part of that potentially very expensive complication, so they pulled out of the deal.

Edit: I put this post in obnoxious bold because Im seeing a ton of speculation about the image rights. So here it is so everyone can spot it, and get moderately annoyed about the bolding.
 

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It's common amongst South Americans unfortunately. Same sort of thing happened with Tevez and that Kia Joorabian guy, which is why we refused to sign him and he went to city.

They're picked up by these companies and they promise to get them exposure and boost them into Europe, but then if they make it big they make millions from them. It's essentially sportsman trafficking, but they don't allow it in England which is why you often see them going to Italy/Ukraine etc.
Thanks man. I can see the attraction when they are young and trying to break through, not so good when you have urself established.
 

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Juventus are not FFP compliant. They risk transfer bans or at worst EU competition ban if they don't balance the books. Selling Dybala fixes that. This is why Dybala was part of a Lukaku swap deal.
Strange considering the free players they sign, their only big move was De Ligt from what I recall? Makes sense in their dealing with the Danilo/Cancelo deal but also baffles me how they let Kean go for such a small fee, surely they could have sold him for more?
 

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It's complicated because Dybala is in a legal dispute with his former agency, Star Images, who are suing Dybala for breach of a 10 year contract in 2017. IF they win, they own the image rights, not Dybalas current entourage. And that can get really expensive for the club. That's the big complication. Not to mention what might happen to the agent fees that will also become a dispute. Manchester United wanted no part of that potentially very expensive complication, so they pulled out of the deal.

Edit: I put this post in obnoxious bold because Im seeing a ton of speculation about the image rights. So here it is so everyone can spot it, and get moderately annoyed about the bolding.
Is this copied and pasted from somewhere or from your own sources ?
 

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It's not so much a question of the player not wanting to leave, but in Dybalas case he wanted a crazy wage increase to even entertain coming here. I would absolutely have loved Dybala coming here, but with the right motivation.
To be fair I agree, especially because it seems its fallen through with Spurs. If he had went there I would have moaned
 

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You're still hanging on and not seeing that our clubs reputation across Europe has taken a severe beating over the past 6 years and in the same timeframe Spurs reputation has been increasing. Also they have an Argentinian contingent developing over there too.
I have no false perception of our club’s reputation but given the version of events that came out, it was quite clear that Dybala was interested enough to send his representatives to the negotiation table. Only when we ended our pursuit did Spurs get into the picture, so its not really choosing one club over the other.
Anyway, it doesn’t look like he is coming to the EPL this window.
 

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It's complicated because Dybala is in a legal dispute with his former agency, Star Images, who are suing Dybala for breach of a 10 year contract in 2017. IF they win, they own the image rights, not Dybalas current entourage. And that can get really expensive for the club. That's the big complication. Not to mention what might happen to the agent fees that will also become a dispute. Manchester United wanted no part of that potentially very expensive complication, so they pulled out of the deal.

Edit: I put this post in obnoxious bold because Im seeing a ton of speculation about the image rights. So here it is so everyone can spot it, and get moderately annoyed about the bolding.
If thats true, it makes sense that we'd want no part of it. We'd lose a fortune in image rights if we'd have to pay a third party. It's easy to say buy them out and the sorts, but if it went wrong, and he was useless here, then we'd have to make that money back somehow, probably in a transfer fee, one that we wouldn't get.
 

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Total rubbish - if you believe that you'll believe anything.
Reported by Romano, as reliable as they come. Obviously you won't believe it and come up with crap sillyseason site.
 

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Reported by Romano, as reliable as they come. Obviously you won't believe it and come up with crap sillyseason site.
I also struggle to believe it. Makes zero sense at all that we would pay Dybala 350k a week when Kane is on 200.

We're not ran by fools, they know that a deal like that would destroy our wage structure. I get that Romano is reliable but sometimes during the mania of these kind of deals there can be confusion, so maybe we should wait till the dust settles till we understand exactly what the situation was? Because I don't get how under any circumstance we were prepared to put up that kind of money a week.
 

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I also struggle to believe it. Makes zero sense at all that we would pay Dybala 350k a week when Kane is on 200.

We're not ran by fools, they know that a deal like that would destroy our wage structure. I get that Romano is reliable but sometimes during the mania of these kind of deals there can be confusion, so maybe we should wait till the dust settles till we understand exactly what the situation was? Because I don't get how under any circumstance we were prepared to put up that kind of money a week.
It makes sense as Dybala is already on 250K and he won't be taking paycut to join Spurs.
 

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I also struggle to believe it. Makes zero sense at all that we would pay Dybala 350k a week when Kane is on 200.

We're not ran by fools, they know that a deal like that would destroy our wage structure. I get that Romano is reliable but sometimes during the mania of these kind of deals there can be confusion, so maybe we should wait till the dust settles till we understand exactly what the situation was? Because I don't get how under any circumstance we were prepared to put up that kind of money a week.
I'd guess a lot of that will be bonuses rather than his regular salary - perhaps Kane gets something close to that already when you take the bonuses into consideration? No idea but it's possible.
 

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I also struggle to believe it. Makes zero sense at all that we would pay Dybala 350k a week when Kane is on 200.

We're not ran by fools, they know that a deal like that would destroy our wage structure. I get that Romano is reliable but sometimes during the mania of these kind of deals there can be confusion, so maybe we should wait till the dust settles till we understand exactly what the situation was? Because I don't get how under any circumstance we were prepared to put up that kind of money a week.
I think it was pretty safe to say that Spurs wouldn't pay him £350k a week. It would have been disastrous for the club, to the point where they'd have had mutiny on their hands i bet.
As has been said, you can't believe everything you read, regardless of how reliable a reporter might be, player agents and clubs have their own agenda that they'll leak to the press for reasons known only to themselves.
 

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It makes sense as Dybala is already on 250K and he won't be taking paycut to join Spurs.
Like @InLevyITrust says though, there's no chance we pay 350k a week as a basic wage. That just wouldn't make any sense at all for us as a club.

This deal in general confuses the hell out of me and makes no sense for many reasons. I'm really interested to see what we find out in the week or so after the window shuts.
 

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Like @InLevyITrust says though, there's no chance we pay 350k a week as a basic wage. That just wouldn't make any sense at all for us as a club.

This deal in general confuses the hell out of me and makes no sense for many reasons. I'm really interested to see what we find out in the week or so after the window shuts.
Do you believe he would have taken pay cut to join Spurs or be on the same contract he signed back in 2017?

Anyways it's off, lets see what everyone will report in coming days.
 

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Your beliefs vs Romano, easy choice isn't it.
Loads of 'reliable' reporters have gotten stuff very wrong this window. They can't get everything correct when info is flying at them from all around and from different sources, it's the last day or so of the window and everything is rushed and confused. That 350k figure may have been lost in translation and instead was one including all bonus figures rather than a basic structure.

And it's not just his belief, it's the very structure of our football club which has been present for years. We'd be totally sweeping aside our highest earner (kane) who is on route to being a club legend and who is arguably the best striker in the world. Giving almost double his wages to Dybala would be absurd and would clearly lead to him approaching the club and asking to match that, which we simply are not in a position to do.
 

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You are one of the first to say our stadium repayments would mean we couldn't spend, no all of a sudden we can afford to pay a player nearly twice what our current highest paid player is on :lol:.
What? I barely comment on your stadium repayments or that shit. It's tedious and one of the worst threads.

Again not sure why I should believe what someone feels vs what Romano reported.
 

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Loads of 'reliable' reporters have gotten stuff very wrong this window. They can't get everything correct when info is flying at them from all around and from different sources, it's the last day or so of the window and everything is rushed and confused. That 350k figure may have been lost in translation and instead was one including all bonus figures rather than a basic structure.

And it's not just his belief, it's the very structure of our football club which has been present for years. We'd be totally sweeping aside our highest earner (kane) who is on route to being a club legend and who is arguably the best striker in the world. Giving almost double his wages to Dybala would be absurd and would clearly lead to him approaching the club and asking to match that, which we simply are not in a position to do.
They have gotten things wrong, doesn't mean I have to take someone posting on the forum than believing Romano. It's as simple as that.


I can't make up things based on my beliefs and then challenge not to believe someone like Simon Stone, just because "I feel so".

And regarding smashing wage structure, that's what I said the very first day Dybala was linked with Spurs, which was around 2-3 weeks back, that he is already earning more than highest Spurs earner, so they have to break their structure to sign him. Player at his peak won't be taking pay cut to join 'with due respect' smaller club than Juve.

Edit: That 350K is obviously including all possible bonuses just like Pogba's 290K is inclduding all the bonuses.
 

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What? I barely comment on your stadium repayments or that shit. It's tedious and one of the worst threads.

Again not sure why I should believe what someone feels vs what Romano reported.
Did he say anything about Juve making up the difference? I will chose to trust my experience with Tottenham and Levy to know we simply cant afford to pay that much over what a "journalist" claims to know. Like you said its off so it makes little difference.
 

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You are one of the first to say our stadium repayments would mean we couldn't spend, no all of a sudden we can afford to pay a player nearly twice what our current highest paid player is on :lol:.
It's not even just a question of what we can/can't afford, you can't just suddenly offer someone double the wages of your star player without causing issues in the club.

Especially when that someone isn't actually better than your star player, because in no world is Dybala a superior player to Kane. If that is remotely the case then it would be absolute madness.
 

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Did he say anything about Juve making up the difference? I will chose to trust my experience with Tottenham and Levy to know we simply cant afford to pay that much over what a "journalist" claims to know. Like you said its off so it makes little difference.
No, he didn't. It was all about the agent commission and the image rights saga.
 

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It's not even just a question of what we can/can't afford, you can't just suddenly offer someone double the wages of your star player without causing issues in the club.

Especially when that someone isn't actually better than your star player, because in no world is Dybala a superior player to Kane. If that is remotely the case then it would be absolute madness.
I agree completely, but, but, but Romano :lol:.
 

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They have gotten things wrong, doesn't mean I have to take someone posting on the forum than believing Romano. It's as simple as that.

I can't make up things based on my beliefs and then challenge not to believe someone like Simon Stone, just because "I feel so".

And regarding smashing wage structure, that's what I said the very first day Dybala was linked with Spurs, which was around 2-3 weeks back, that he is already earning more than highest Spurs earner, so they have to break their structure to sign him. Player at his peak won't be taking pay cut to join 'with due respect' smaller club than Juve.
We'll see .. but I think those beliefs are grounded very much in the reality of our football club. It's not like they're baseless.

There's breaking the wage structure and smashing it to bits though, and 350k p/w basic would be the latter. And whilst we're a smaller club than Juventus he was pretty much being forced out of his club and arguably isn't as big a prospect as he was in 2017, this is a guy who got 5 league goals all last season. Still clearly a hugely talented player but more question marks over him now, and clearly he should want to be somewhere where he's valued and could get game time.

But anyhow, all this is just speculation and that includes some of the higher profile journos. But the fact that none of our fans believe we'd offer him that/think it makes sense I think says it would be a huge shock were those wage reports to be true. Again, it'll be interesting to see just what the feck actually went on when it becomes clearer, because this deal from the start has been confusing to me, and hasn't become any clearer now.
 

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You a of the first to say our stadium repayments would we couldn't spend, no all of a sudden we can afford to pay a player nearly twice what our current highest paid player is on :lol:.
I think you would have sold Eriksen if you got Dybala, with Juve paying some of the wage you could have worked around your wage structre.
Now you look to be losing Eriksen on a free and still need to replace him next summer. Thats a 120m odd (not including Eriksens wages) swing on one position.
You could be forced to keep the Dane which is basically costing you 1m a week.
Getting in Dybala today woukd have been a lot cheaper for your club.
 

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It's not even just a question of what we can/can't afford, you can't just suddenly offer someone double the wages of your star player without causing issues in the club.

Especially when that someone isn't actually better than your star player, because in no world is Dybala a superior player to Kane. If that is remotely the case then it would be absolute madness.
I agree with you there, and i think thats the issue that Sanchez caused at United.
Sanchez came in on mega money which then would have annoyed Pogba, and quite probably De Gea as he has been our best player for the past god knows how long. They'd have seen the money he was on, and after some of his performances, they'd want parity or within the same region as he's on, and rightly so!
 

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He needs to sack off that image right thing if he ever wants to progress his career.
 

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Well you believe what you believe and we will believe what we believe. No real way to find out.
Obviously there is. Fan's beliefs vs Romano, easy way to find which is closer to truth.

Logical thinking is not thinking whether Spurs will break their wage structure, it's Dybala is already earning more than Spurs highest earner and he is at his peak at better club, so he wont take pay cut. So any deal with Spurs means he will be the highest earner at the club, at least till Kane signs new contract.
 

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Tbf, reporters usually adds SOF and agent fees to weekly wages then report the SOF and agent on top of that again. Probably what happened in Romano's case.
 

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:lol::lol:

Come on now Dybala was going to take a massive pay cut and dreamed of their cheese room.
Waiting for that any moment or someone posting crap sillseason to say he was on 115K ignoring that's the net wages.
 

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Tbf, reporters usually adds SOF and agent fees to weekly wages then report the SOF and agent on top of that again.
Signing on fee, loyalty bonus are added for almost all the wages reported, including someone like Pogba who earns 150K basic pay and with bonuses he earns 290K.
 

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We'll see .. but I think those beliefs are grounded very much in the reality of our football club. It's not like they're baseless.

There's breaking the wage structure and smashing it to bits though, and 350k p/w basic would be the latter. And whilst we're a smaller club than Juventus he was pretty much being forced out of his club and arguably isn't as big a prospect as he was in 2017, this is a guy who got 5 league goals all last season. Still clearly a hugely talented player but more question marks over him now, and clearly he should want to be somewhere where he's valued and could get game time.

But anyhow, all this is just speculation and that includes some of the higher profile journos. But the fact that none of our fans believe we'd offer him that/think it makes sense I think says it would be a huge shock were those wage reports to be true. Again, it'll be interesting to see just what the feck actually went on when it becomes clearer, because this deal from the start has been confusing to me, and hasn't become any clearer now.
Like I said, he was already earning more than Spurs highest earner, so any deal with him would have made him highest paid player at Spurs unless you think it's logical for player at his peak to take a wage cut to join Spurs from Juve.
 

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I think you would have sold Eriksen if you got Dybala, with Juve paying some of the wage you could have worked around your wage structre.
Now you look to be losing Eriksen on a free and still need to replace him next summer. Thats a 120m odd (not including Eriksens wages) swing on one position.
You could be forced to keep the Dane which is basically costing you 1m a week.
Getting in Dybala today woukd have been a lot cheaper for your club.
Thats what I said, we could only afford to pay him that with Juve's help. I don't think it was the personal terms that were the problem its the commercial rights that we would have to pay and the ongoing legal case he faces which could mean we end up paying more for.

I dont quite get where the £120M or your £1M a week figures is coming from?
 

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So at the start of the week Utd had a midfield of:
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Ericksen, Pogba, Dybala


Its now:
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Matic, Pogba, Fred

Oh dear.
You've been a member since December and that;s your first post? I hope they get better