No it doesn't, how often is blood taken? Mostly urine.
Pep - Doping (?) | Are PEDs being used by footballers
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Posted this a few weeks ago on Guardiola/Barcelona/Spain:
Guardiola has the biggest question mark hanging over him in all of football. They are wonderfully-talented footballers with a strong tactical understanding, but their physical feats are arguably their main weapon. When you have players like De Bruyne performing most sprints and most distance covered in the same match, alarm bells start to ring.
Because some people have morals and personal standards?
haha. Would that mean we'd get two CL trophies retrospectively
Seriously, propped up by a dictatorship and now the doping (and not the cocaine bit), what next? Is the academy a front for life extension experiments with young blood?
One of the more sensible posts in this thread and the way i see it.
There's actually no hard evidence that implicates him, so all speculation as far as i'm concerned. And there's also the notion of innocent until proven guilty.
Some people, sure, but with the money and status involved in the game these days there would be a whole host of teams and managers willing to go to those lengths if they knew they could get away with it.
Someone needs to cos the rest of the league haven't tested us this year!
This, he was like that at Liverpool too.
I read that extra closely and I agree that it seems that he's guilty after all. I just don't get the link from him being a doper as a player to him being a doper as a manager.
Liverpool are doping as much though
. Thus there is nothing new there. Brendan and Klopp equally shady. Lucky enough even a doped Steven Gerrard is still shit . There is no anti slip drug .I think what we can see from that plus listening to Pep talk is that he seem to pretty much have no morals and would do anything to win. That is no evidence just shows that Pep being involved in shady things is something I would expect. Tax fraud and stuff we have heard of and doping would not be beyond him as we have seen.
Also as someone has already mentioned, Pep has his fair share of detractors. Someone would roll over on him.
Either this doesn't happen or it's so common place that nobody in the industry considers it morally repugnant like you good folk. If he can get away with it so can everyone else.
Either this doesn't happen or it's so common place that nobody in the industry considers it morally repugnant like you good folk. If he can get away with it so can everyone else.
Saint pep involved in doping ? Surely not
Of course there is only doping associated with Spain, Chris Froome, Team Sky, Dwain Chambers, Linford Christie never did nothing wrong, only the Russians and the Spanish dope, Americans and UK are always very clean and very serious people on this matters.
Give me a break, the nandrolone cases were in Italy on 2001, at the time even Fernando Couto at Lazio or Jaap Stam if I am not wrong had the same issues, if tomorrow a guy who supports Ajax who lost the Europa League final vs United goes to Twitter to say Mourinho is worldwide known for doping because he is a pesky iberian and his Porto teams in 2003 or 2004 played insane pressing, maybe 2+2=4, conclusion everybody dopes.
If there is suspition, ok then show it, but if tomorrow someone comes and say English teams are doped because they have 5 teams on the knockout stages of the Champions League the conspiracy theories will never end.
Hey, but if I am wrong I will be the first to come here and say I was wrong, untill anything is concrete, sounds a lot of wishfull thinking overhere.
Give me a break, the nandrolone cases were in Italy on 2001, at the time even Fernando Couto at Lazio or Jaap Stam if I am not wrong had the same issues, if tomorrow a guy who supports Ajax who lost the Europa League final vs United goes to Twitter to say Mourinho is worldwide known for doping because he is a pesky iberian and his Porto teams in 2003 or 2004 played insane pressing, maybe 2+2=4, conclusion everybody dopes.
If there is suspition, ok then show it, but if tomorrow someone comes and say English teams are doped because they have 5 teams on the knockout stages of the Champions League the conspiracy theories will never end.
Hey, but if I am wrong I will be the first to come here and say I was wrong, untill anything is concrete, sounds a lot of wishfull thinking overhere.
Could this Adam Joseph guy get sued for libel? He's going very hard in on a narrative which he has no evidence for.
Guys this is becoming pathetic. We really can not criticize the likes of Rawk and Blue Moon if we are consistently making threads like this.
Phew, I was thinking maybe I was crazy after reading this, hey but this is the Trump era, everything is possible.
This is just getting ridiculous now, of course they're not fecking doping.
He took that doctor to Barca?
This assumedly would have caused great concern to Pep Guardiola given his trust in the doctor whose supplements he had been taking for many years. Their relationship remained strong however. Dr. Segura returned to FC Barcelona in 2009, the same season Guardiola became club manager. Guardiola took a keen interest in the substances his former physician provided to his players. “Guardiola took this program of daily supplementation very seriously and insisted to the players on the need for it and made sure they followed it,” Dr. Segura explained.
The trail runs colder after that admittedly, apart from Thiago Alcantara, the former Barca player who's agent is Pep's brother, missing a drugs test at Bayern and the City breaches of whereabouts (although City's reasoning behind them isn't too damning).
I can't find information of Segura at all beyond Barca.
that's sure, the guy better provide evidence or losing his shirt and more on this dystopian bs.
edit: the fine border between enhanced performance and medical tratment with using legal / allowed substances is there though in every competitive sport and human endeavour whatever the level
They probably are, but we are probably doing it as well along with most teams in the premier league.
Yeah, so it's the same person. Not sure how that allows to conclude they must have been doping. Once a doper always a doper or what?
Don't spoil the narrative, the guy from Twitter is very credible.
Not concluding, but if players keep on cheating a lot often they will keep doing it. Has there been anything to suggest that Pep will be against cheating now? No he seem to encourage his players to dive and do other shit so I don't think he have changed at all.
Maybe the legal drugs are the best way to go about things now so they don't need the illegal stuff? I don't know, but otherwise I see no reason why they would change if they are getting away with it.
Well from what I heard from people it sounds like most people are using these things. I think most footballers assume the other are using stuff to get ahead too.
Another thing Jose is rubbish at.
Lance Armstrong's notorious dope doctor alleged to have worked at Barca?
Last season we did run the least of the premier league teams so maybe we really suck at it.Another thing Jose is rubbish at.
Yup reading the Twitter account from that guy he realy sounds a doping expert, really credible opinion for a thread.
I definitely believe this. I also believe the players wouldn't necessarily know they are being doped. I mean, the club doctor says take this vitamin or what not and you do it. The majority of football players would not question this.
However, I'm pretty sure Pep's not the only one doping in football. It's got to be prevalent, one of the richest sports in the world and no problem with doping? Plus the tests they do is pretty basic - easily bypassed by sophisticated doctors etc. The football authorities don't want to know.
So we could speculate forever, but if the authorities aren't interested it won't make any difference.
However, I'm pretty sure Pep's not the only one doping in football. It's got to be prevalent, one of the richest sports in the world and no problem with doping? Plus the tests they do is pretty basic - easily bypassed by sophisticated doctors etc. The football authorities don't want to know.
So we could speculate forever, but if the authorities aren't interested it won't make any difference.
There is evidence though. The case of him being banned while at Brescia and City being fined for breaking doping sanctions 3 times.
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Not sure why you are so touchy on this subject. Do you really need to post the fact you don't believe 5 or 6 times? This a forum in which people discuss subjects.
Yeah that's pretty much my point
We already know how corrupt those authorities are. If they can sell the world cup to Qatar doping is nothing compared to that really.
Yepp and I am sure most footballers don't really have a clue. They get stuff from the medical staff and take it. They might suspect it being shadyss, but not like they know the doping rules particulary well most of the time. No chemical doctors who play football at this level either. Sometimes maybe not even the managers know and the doctors just do it. Like the club say to the doctors make sure our players are in optimal shape and then they use drugs to improve the job they are doing.Yeah that's pretty much my point
And why are you so worried if I say that guy doesn' look credible to me? Goes against your narrative or what?
Maybe if tomorrow someone starts a thread here saying something about Premier League teams being doped that's why there are 5 on the knockout stages maybe you will find it funny no?
And please a guy from the USA with this quote "Unfortunately, in European Sports where doping is rife these things are largely ignored." Of course the guy doesn't follow much American sports, does he?
Only a correction, he is from Australia, but does support American teams.
Italian clubs in the mid to late '90s used a combination of legal substances as performance enhancers, question is: was that doping? Doping may be not but fraud for sure, we non professional people do not assume legal anti-ashtma or thyroid regulators substances without a clear medical need... athletes from all sports today just declare they have a medical need and get the go ahead... again, illegal doping maybe not but legal fraud?
I don't care about my narrative. I posted it for discussion as it certainly is a subject that requires attention and this is a discussion forum after all.
Coming out with a flat claim like the bolded is daft if you have no evidence at all to back it up (which you don't). Pep has evidence against him so of course the question marks remain.
If Pep is your relative I say sorry.
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Interesting! I didn't know about Pep's past and the speculation or rumours surrounding the use of performance enhancing drugs.
Oddly enough I had thought the same about another PL team last season.
Oddly enough I had thought the same about another PL team last season.
Yeah it is funny cause I had ashtma and well I think maybe I could have been classified as doping. Not much control though in the lower leagues and I was never any good at running anyway so none would suspect me
. My asthma is kind of gone now though and I suspect using stuff would give some minor boost.