Pep Guardiola | Leaving City: Official

Withnail said:
Deffo... I'm so very invested in their inevitable demise.
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As am I. I've hated City ever since the takeover mainly due to the arrogance of their owners thinking that they're above the rules.

I've hated Pep ever since 2009 due to the CL win (never should have been in that final in the first place) and just in general I've always sensed something really slimy and 'off' about him that I can't quite explain.

No doubt if the charges do stick, he'll slink off to his next cushy job and feign innocence about the whole thing.
 
It must bother him that his achievements at City haven't brought him anywhere near as much prestige as they would had he done the same at a big club with some pedigree and heritage. It must be like managing Lidl and winning 'supermarket of the year' - it's great and everything, but people still view Lidl as different to M&S or Waitrose. Highly successful and don't knock it but it's just...different.

It's like when you read some magazine has given some Dacia vehicle 'car of the year' and you wouldn't deny the achievement but it's not like Audi or BMW or any of those established, prestige brands.

Can't help think that's what it must feel like to be Guardiola at City. You win car of the year each year, but you're the head of Dacia and nobody really view your company in the same light as Ford or Volkswagen because it just...isn't in the same hemisphere.

You can read that Happy Shopper 11p salt and vinegar sticks have been voted the best value potato snack by a survey of consumers but you're not going to view Happy Shopper crisps as any more prestigious than you would Walkers when you're thinking about that genre. One cup win at Barcelona is worth more than all of titles at City combined for his legacy When he retires and people review his career, I think City will be little more than a footnote. Maybe a chapter at the end of a book covering his time in management. It must eat him up the idea he's chosen to end his career at a club whose stature means that he can win every trophy available and it won't really mean that much to anyone outside of a fanbase that can't even fill the stadium each week. Close to every single media interview, speaking engagement, press event or anything he does publicly after he retires will be about Barcelona and his time there.

It's like when you read the managerial history of old managers you remember on wikipedia, and they manage some big clubs and suddenly they're out in the middle east and you see they've bizarrely spent 9 years coaching the Oman national team somehow, without anyone really noticing. That's what City are to Guardiola. They're his Oman national side job. They're first getting mentioned 83 minutes into a 90 minute Netflix documentary about him.
 
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Nyland said:
It must bother him that his achievements at City haven't brought him anywhere near as much prestige as they would had he done the same at a big club with some pedigree and heritage. It must be like managing Lidl and winning 'supermarket of the year' - it's great and everything, but people still view Lidl as different to M&S or Waitrose. Highly successful and don't knock it but it's just...different.

It's like when you read some magazine has given some Dacia vehicle 'car of the year' and you wouldn't deny the achievement but it's not like Audi or BMW or any of those established, prestige brands.

Can't help think that's what it must feel like to be Guardiola at City. You win car of the year each year, but you're the head of Dacia and nobody really view your company in the same light as Ford or Volkswagen because it just...isn't in the same hemisphere.

You can read that Happy Shopper 11p salt and vinegar sticks have been voted the best value potato snack by a survey of consumers but you're not going to view Happy Shopper crisps as any more prestigious than you would Walkers when you're thinking about that genre. One cup win at Barcelona is worth more than all of titles at City combined for his legacy When he retires and people review his career, I think City will be little more than a footnote. Maybe a chapter at the end of a book covering his time in management. It must eat him up the idea he's chosen to end his career at a club whose stature means that he can win every trophy available and it won't really mean that much to anyone outside of a fanbase that can't even fill the stadium each week. Close to every single media interview, speaking engagement, press event or anything he does publicly after he retires will be about Barcelona and his time there.

It's like when you read the managerial history of old managers you remember on wikipedia, and they manage some big clubs and suddenly they're out in the middle east and you see they've bizarrely spent 9 years coaching the Oman national team somehow, without anyone really noticing. That's what City are to Guardiola. They're his Oman national side job. They're first getting mentioned 83 minutes into a 90 minute Netflix documentary about him.
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What else is it like?
 
According to graham hunters book about barca, at stages of the season guardiola gave players 3 day breaks when he was at Barcelona. He even let them drink a good bit, although that may have only been after title wins. Interesting to hear how he worked there imo. I read before at city he made players cut out heavy foods a lot like pizza and gave players weights they had to be at and stay at.

It would be interesting to hear fergusons stance on such things. I think in his book he said he was more lenient.
 
I wonder if he will walk away this summer if he beats arsenal to the league title....
 
He will definitely swerve the 115 if it all comes down. Would not want to be tarnished as a cheat.

God forbid…..
 
Loon said:
He will definitely swerve the 115 if it all comes down. Would not want to be tarnished as a cheat.

God forbid…..
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He will have just overseen the last 10 years at a club that has been found guily of cheating the rules.

There is no way he walks away from that untarnished.
 
According to barca players and managers in sid lowes book about Spanish football, barca felt immense pressure for a long time to won the cl and European cup because of madrid and other big clubs hauls and losing finals. Cruyff brought great relief to them. Perhaps rijkaard and guardiola benefited from that or maybe the pressure was still great.

Madrid players from 80s who won lots of leagues and were regarded as one of the very top teams of the world say they feel very frustrated they didnt win the ec and that their titles are tainted by it. The ec and cl are very big to madrid and barca.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Yeah, I was just being a bit thick there.

Still, I can see the media turning a blind eye where Pep is concerned.
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I always thought he didn't get much media scrutiny but I think he gets his fair share. He doesn't, however, get as near scrutinised as United managers during a bad spell!
 
Garnacho Libre said:
I always thought he didn't get much media scrutiny but I think he gets his fair share. He doesn't, however, get as near scrutinised as United managers during a bad spell!
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I dont think he has ever had a really bad spell at City
 
A stat i seen was that Barca in 08/09 scored around 30 times in the last 10 minutes. The book put it down to incredible fitness as well as mental strength.
 
curva norte said:
I dont think he has ever had a really bad spell at City
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I think he has had bad moments and it's always telling when he is ranty then things aren't going his way.

He is calm now because he can control the narrative. City know what they need to do to win the domestic treble.

My bet is he'll be gone at the end of the season if they win the title. No way is he there to face the music for the 115 charges.
 
He's such an unlikeable fecker.

Why he's just dedicated his prime years to a club whos success is built on sand is beyond me. He'll be forever looking over his shoulder to see if justice ever catches up with them.

He'll maybe win the treble this year, and once again everyone outside of City will just shrug their shoulders and be releived it wasn't Arsenal that did it instead, no matter how much the media spin it.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
He's such an unlikeable fecker.

Why he's just dedicated his prime years to a club whos success is built on sand is beyond me. He'll be forever looking over his shoulder to see if justice ever catches up with them.

He'll maybe win the treble this year, and once again everyone outside of City will just shrug their shoulders and be releived it wasn't Arsenal that did it instead, no matter how much the media spin it.
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Everyone has a price.
 
Bench strength is rediculous, it would be a failure if he didn't win the league most years. Although he splashes the cash he buys the right player most of the time.
 
I said people were overlooking their history of title run ins in general since 2012 when they were saying Arsenal dropping points didn't matter because City were so far behind and not good enough to catch them. City under Pep, on top of their two title wins before he joined, are the best the league has seen when it comes to title run ins. The pressure they put on their rivals because you know they're going to win nearly every game by sizable margins makes teams collapse under the pressure. Us in 2012, Liverpool in 2014, countless teams since Pep joined.

It's also why I can't overlook their succes like a lot of United fans. The rate they're going - alongside the rate we've been going the past decade plus - they're going to overtake us in a lot of areas. Never mind us catching Liverpool.
 
I will give him credit for transforming Nunes from a pretty average CM to arguably best RB in the league.
 
According to the book I am reading now, before guardiola took over Barca he supposedly felt the team was greatly talented but needed hard work, discipline, professionalism and seriousness to be instilled. He used to fine players for being late too and the money went to a charity.
 
Raul Madrid said:
According to graham hunters book about barca, at stages of the season guardiola gave players 3 day breaks when he was at Barcelona. He even let them drink a good bit, although that may have only been after title wins. Interesting to hear how he worked there imo. I read before at city he made players cut out heavy foods a lot like pizza and gave players weights they had to be at and stay at.

It would be interesting to hear fergusons stance on such things. I think in his book he said he was more lenient.
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Helps when they’re doping. His Barcelona team was dodgy as feck.
 
Yagami said:
I said people were overlooking their history of title run ins in general since 2012 when they were saying Arsenal dropping points didn't matter because City were so far behind and not good enough to catch them. City under Pep, on top of their two title wins before he joined, are the best the league has seen when it comes to title run ins. The pressure they put on their rivals because you know they're going to win nearly every game by sizable margins makes teams collapse under the pressure. Us in 2012, Liverpool in 2014, countless teams since Pep joined.

It's also why I can't overlook their succes like a lot of United fans. The rate they're going - alongside the rate we've been going the past decade plus - they're going to overtake us in a lot of areas. Never mind us catching Liverpool.
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I've got no doubt that city will overtake us for pl titles (if they win this year only 4 behind) while we will still be in and out of top 4 and arguing over whether we should keep underperforming managers
 
ron86 said:
I've got no doubt that city will overtake us for pl titles (if they win this year only 4 behind) while we will still be in and out of top 4 and arguing over whether we should keep underperforming managers
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And people claim they don’t care. Two established great clubs like Liverpool and United can get overtaken by city and it doesn’t matter? That’s the day when the game is truly gone.
 
Don't care much. Everything and everyone comes and goes = truth of life and the Universe.

Everything physical staying permanent and last forever = just lies ;)
 
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