'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

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No chance of him ever getting sacked after a monumental achievement of winning 2 titles in 4 years with a side that won only 2 in 5 years before him. And all that on a relatively small spending of half a billion.
 

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Just been sacked, Uwe Rosler to take over as interim manager until the end of the season.
 

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Yup, he's definitely failed on the trophies count.
If he doesnt win the CL this season, he has not improved them massively in terms of major trophies.

It seems like he will have 2 prem titles in 4 years, while they had 2 in 5 before him.

No notable CL runs as well, while their best one came before he took over.
 

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2 in 4 is around what they had pre Pep. They just ended up with the same success rate minus a billion pounds.
3 season with Mancini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 59%
3 seasons with Pellegrini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 60%
3 seasons with Pep they've won 6 titles (2 leagues, 4 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 72%

Do we bloody really need to argue who's been more successfully?
 

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3 season with Mancini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 59%
3 seasons with Pellegrini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 60%
3 seasons with Pep they've won 6 titles (2 leagues, 4 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 72%

Do we bloody really need to argue who's been more successfully?
The season should end to argue it.
 

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3 season with Mancini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 59%
3 seasons with Pellegrini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 60%
3 seasons with Pep they've won 6 titles (2 leagues, 4 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 72%

Do we bloody really need to argue who's been more successfully?
So around 2 titles in 4 years? Dont forget peps annoincement derailing Pellegrinis last season when he was cruising to retaining the league.
Have you seen Peps cup draws by the way?
Well done on carling cups i supposd
 

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Dont forget peps annoincement derailing Pellegrinis last season when he was cruising to retaining the league.
Why do you continue to post this blatant myth?

When Guardiola was announced City were 3 points behind Leicester. Had lost 5 and drawn 5 in 23 games. Were on poor form before the announcement.

3 games in Feb were defeats to Leicester, Liverpool and Spurs. Pool won 4-1 at City earlier in the season, Spurs humped them 4-1 at home as well. They drew at Leicester.

Stop peddling this absolute myth about City that season.
 

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He's in no danger of being sacked. All reports are that they are desperate for him to sign an extension. I don't see him leaving the payroll of CFG for a long time . He could leave City & have his choice of clubs but none could provide the perfect working conditions he needs to thrive.
 

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2 in 4 is around what they had pre Pep. They just ended up with the same success rate minus a billion pounds.
They spent loads to get the first 2 in 4 as well. Also, would they have won the league last season with the others in charge instead of Pep?
 

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It's weird how you can be considered the best manager in the world while also doing nothing more than what is expected of you in every job.

2 league titles in 4 years and 0 CL semis would be the bare minimum I would request from my manager if I were the City chairman, considering the team, the investments and the competitors (only Liverpool seriously competing who haven't won a league title in 30 years).

Winning Bundesliga every year and CL semis would be the bare minimum as well with Heynckes' treble team.

Could even say he underachieved at Barca. All memorable teams in their "moments" make back-to-back CL finals.

United 07 and 08.
Bayern 12 and 13.
Real Madrid 16, 17, 18.
Liverpool 18 and 19.
Juventus, Milan and Ajax in the 90s.

But THAT Barca team goes out against 10 men Inter and 10 men Chelsea (with a 2 goal lead at home).
 

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City were already winning premier leagues before pep, that’s not like mou at Chelsea.

they also won those premier leagues while every other big team were not even challenging, the one when Liverpool challenged it was close.
City were 4th or something and a team needing major fixes when he joined. Yet one lauds Mourinho who chucked money at everything that walked and Pep somehow deserved criticism. I mean Mourinho also won titles when the real big boys at the time, United, were going a transition. And when we got it together he started losing (and left).
 

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3 season with Mancini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 59%
3 seasons with Pellegrini they've won 3 titles (1 league, 2 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 60%
3 seasons with Pep they've won 6 titles (2 leagues, 4 cups) --- Win rate as City manager 72%

Do we bloody really need to argue who's been more successfully?
Man city just start their crazy spending under Mancini, when Pep take over, his team are already full of super star and he keep continuing buying spending, you can't compare it under Mancini
 

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If he is sacked we need to do everything possible to get him in. We're a better club than City, we can surely take their manager from them. Imagine Pep and Jose going head to head with two different teams again it would make for the best storylines, we would all love it.
 

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How much money has Klopp spend on squad players compared to Pep though?
Wasn't Naby Keita expensive though? He looks like their version of Fred. There is no way Pep is getting sacked. I can see him going full tilt at the CL this season. I can only imagine how good Pep would have been with Messi, Griezmann, dembele, suarez and De Jong.
 

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They spent loads to get the first 2 in 4 as well. Also, would they have won the league last season with the others in charge instead of Pep?
People here would say anything to downplay Pep. He is second only to SAF on the all-time list. He also has a real chance to surpass him if he continues managing for another 10 to 15 years.
 

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Why do you continue to post this blatant myth?

When Guardiola was announced City were 3 points behind Leicester. Had lost 5 and drawn 5 in 23 games. Were on poor form before the announcement.

3 games in Feb were defeats to Leicester, Liverpool and Spurs. Pool won 4-1 at City earlier in the season, Spurs humped them 4-1 at home as well. They drew at Leicester.

Stop peddling this absolute myth about City that season.
On top of all this, apparently he was on his way to “retaining” a title they hadn’t won the year before :lol:
 

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Wasn't Naby Keita expensive though? He looks like their version of Fred. There is no way Pep is getting sacked. I can see him going full tilt at the CL this season. I can only imagine how good Pep would have been with Messi, Griezmann, dembele, suarez and De Jong.
What does that have to do with the question he asked?
 

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I can only imagine how good Pep would have been with Messi, Griezmann, dembele, suarez and De Jong.
Oh I totally agree, and that’s why I want him back. Pep needs to stop fecking about in Germany and England, and realize that Barca is his home.
 

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People here would say anything to downplay Pep. He is second only to SAF on the all-time list. He also has a real chance to surpass him if he continues managing for another 10 to 15 years.
Well I don't agree with that. For me, Pep will never match Sir Alex. I do think there are valid drawbacks to Pep as a manager as is the case with every single - he does need a certain standard of technical talent in his team and I don't think he ticks all the boxes like SAF did of being able to succeed in every possible environment. He also, as is the case with the modern manager, more or less a coach, whereas Sir Alex could run the whole empire and was a true manager in the traditional sense.

So I'll never go that far with Pep. For me he doesn't reach the level of Sir Alex. However, among the modern day managers he's the best IMO. And even one has a preference for someone else & say Mourinho for example (the only one of this era with that level of success), we have to be fair to Pep and maintain some amount of balance when judging him. He's done an excellent job at City and pretending 2 titles in 4, particularly when one was a transitional year and the third needed some 100 points to win the title, is not balance at all. By any metric he's done a very very good at City. Unless CL is the only metric which is silly given many elite football clubs have 1/2/3/4 in their entire history.
 

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So around 2 titles in 4 years? Dont forget peps annoincement derailing Pellegrinis last season when he was cruising to retaining the league.
Have you seen Peps cup draws by the way?
Well done on carling cups i supposd
Now he's to blame for the teams poor season before he joined (making his job tougher). You clearly aren't in a position to present a logical view on Guardiola given your lack of perspective in general on the matter.
 

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Why do you continue to post this blatant myth?

When Guardiola was announced City were 3 points behind Leicester. Had lost 5 and drawn 5 in 23 games. Were on poor form before the announcement.

3 games in Feb were defeats to Leicester, Liverpool and Spurs. Pool won 4-1 at City earlier in the season, Spurs humped them 4-1 at home as well. They drew at Leicester.

Stop peddling this absolute myth about City that season.
I think they had a game in hand to go back to top. On for the quadruple in Feb, reaching the CL semi in the end up.
Pep gets announced and they plummet to fourth.
How is it a myth? United took a 2-1 lead away to West Ham, in the 75th minute of the second last game of the season, that would have seen City crash out of CL qualification.
I mean...myth?
 

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Now he's to blame for the teams poor season before he joined (making his job tougher). You clearly aren't in a position to present a logical view on Guardiola given your lack of perspective in general on the matter.
Well... Yes? Will i post their results from Feb to May or....
The results are there mate. Cant get more logical than that. It may well be the worst 4 minths worth of results since their takeover but there you go.
Logic.
 

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Pep Guardiola has revealed how his relationship with chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak plays a big factor in him wanting to stay at Manchester City .
The Blues boss this week dismissed rumours that he is preparing to leave City, and even hinted that he could seek to stay beyond the end of his current contract in 2021.
And that was underlined by chairman Khaldoon, who said in midweek: “I'm very satisfied with his commitment and our commitment to him and I'm looking forward to the continuity of this for years to come.”
The harmonious relationship between Guardiola , Khaldoon, chief executive Ferran Soriano and football director Txiki Begiristain is a huge lure for the Catalan coach after the wearying politics of Barcelona and the meddling of club legends at Bayern Munich.
And the way in which Khaldoon and the club executive team rallied behind him during a difficult, trophy-less first season in England, has reinforced the manager’s belief that he is at the right club to achieve his further ambitions.
 

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Well I don't agree with that. For me, Pep will never match Sir Alex. I do think there are valid drawbacks to Pep as a manager as is the case with every single - he does need a certain standard of technical talent in his team and I don't think he ticks all the boxes like SAF did of being able to succeed in every possible environment. He also, as is the case with the modern manager, more or less a coach, whereas Sir Alex could run the whole empire and was a true manager in the traditional sense.

So I'll never go that far with Pep. For me he doesn't reach the level of Sir Alex. However, among the modern day managers he's the best IMO. And even one has a preference for someone else & say Mourinho for example (the only one of this era with that level of success), we have to be fair to Pep and maintain some amount of balance when judging him. He's done an excellent job at City and pretending 2 titles in 4, particularly when one was a transitional year and the third needed some 100 points to win the title, is not balance at all. By any metric he's done a very very good at City. Unless CL is the only metric which is silly given many elite football clubs have 1/2/3/4 in their entire history.
Any manager given the squad and financial backing Guardiola has had at City would be expected to deliver what he has as a bare minimum.

Aesthetically, only he could arguably have got that football out of them, but from a financial perspective, what he has delivered, isn't particularly special. For the longest time, people said he's played FM with the cheat codes on at City, and under those conditions, you're going to expect domestic dominance, unless you've other clubs doing the same, which City have not.

Pep's legacy is getting chipped away at bit by bit, the longer he does so little in the CL outside of Barcelona. He's done what should be demanded with the resources at his disposal at the domestic level and fallen short time and again in the CL. A part of his aura as a coach beyond reproach, as he was thought of at Barca, is not there anymore, and if he bails on City after an underwhelming campaign, the notion he's just not up for a fight and actual competition, is going to be just that bit more solidified.
 

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He's the best coach in the world, the football his teams produce is consistently excellent and I love how he approaches every game with the sole intention of winning it, there's no thought of being pragmatic and I admire that commitment to his principles.

However, should he allow that mob to stroll to the title unopposed this season I will never forgive him. Get your shit together pep ffs!
 

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Can't see him being sacked. Think this season e will go all out to try to win the win the Champions League as he may see it is a blot on his CV that he hasn't wasn't at Munich and at City as well.
 
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If he is sacked we need to do everything possible to get him in. We're a better club than City, we can surely take their manager from them. Imagine Pep and Jose going head to head with two different teams again it would make for the best storylines, we would all love it.

Never in a million years. Pep would, rightly so, look at our squad and say in David Brent's voice (when he's pissed in that motel room), "it's gonna cost ya....it's gonna cost ya."

He would want £400m to sort out this shitshow, in ONE window. He'd want a new LB, a new CB, a CDM, a CM, a RW and a Striker. At least. Our board would be targeting him hoping that he could make something out of what he currently has, with the odd financial tweak here and there, because he's Pep Guardiola. Pep will head either to PSG (where he'll have a couple of world class players to work with and a blank chequebook) or Juventus where he can massage his ego right off the bat with title wins and manage some world class players, too.
 

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How much money has Klopp spend on squad players compared to Pep though?
That's really not how Klopp works, he works with a small group of players of a certain level, when the group is to large he often loses the grip just like happend at bvb. But again Pep is dealing with some serious injuries to key players, Liverpool would be in a really bad state with half of those. Klopp has really been lucky with injuries to key players at Liverpool.