You could say that yes, although I’m not sure City have the best squad in Europe, I still think Bayern’s is pretty good. You could also say that Fergie didn’t win it for almost a decade after 99, losing to teams like Lille and Leverkusen. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter that much where legacy is concerned.Yep if you like it that way.
You could also say PG hasn’t won it for a decade despite taking over treble winners at Bayern and having the best squad in Europe at City.
Wouldn’t actually surprise me at all if he doesn’t win it with City and the next guy wins it with them in his first couple of years.
He is coming across as a spoilt teenager
Well they had it at least once in last 5 years, if not couple of times.You could say that yes, although I’m not sure City have the best squad in Europe
These are the kind of ‘black marks’ that people talk about in the moment but forget about when the entire career is considered. And rightly so. Every manager, no matter how great, has bad results and failures.Not to mention Pep was never knocked out of the group stages. No such black mark on his career so far unlike the “GOAT” manager here
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Because he's never taken on a serious challenge. We were rebuilding when we were knocked out in the groups. When has Pep ever had to do that?Not to mention Pep was never knocked out of the group stages. No such black mark on his career so far unlike the “GOAT” manager here
I'm sure some of Pep's acolytes will claim how he took on the "challenge" to rebuild Barcelona in 2008.Because he's never taken on a serious challenge. We were rebuilding when we were knocked out in the groups. When has Pep ever had to do that?
I fecking love it. The baldie's press agent cannot deal with the failure.
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That's some meltdown alright.
Imagine coming to RedCafe on the morning after Pep's hilarious failure to try and convince everyone he was better than Fergie. Have a fecking word with yourselfNot to mention Pep was never knocked out of the group stages. No such black mark on his career so far unlike the “GOAT” manager here
Pep's fans can't handle it
He's been handed everything in his career. He's great don't get me wrong but to compare him to SAF is ridiculous. Sir Alex built United from the ground up and won a European trophy with Aberdeen. Their careers couldn't be any more different.I'm sure some of Pep's acolytes will claim how he took on the "challenge" to rebuild Barcelona in 2008.
Jesus, is he 14? The state of this.
I’m a big Pep fan but I think he was simply the right man at the right time at Barca 09-11. He’s a good coach with a nice philosophy but he’s not the GOAT because of his failures outside of Spain.He's been handed everything in his career. He's great don't get me wrong but to compare him to SAF is ridiculous. Sir Alex built United from the ground up and won a European trophy with Aberdeen. Their careers couldn't be any more different.
Facts are facts my friend or is this place just an echo chamber?Imagine coming to RedCafe on the morning after Pep's hilarious failure to try and convince everyone he was better than Fergie. Have a fecking word with yourself
If it was there wouldn’t be so many fans from rival / other teams being allowed here to post more or less whatever they want.Facts are facts my friend or is this place just an echo chamber?
FactsFacts are facts my friend or is this place just an echo chamber?
He’s not their SAF because he took over a good team.Meh. The "Pep Guardiola is my idol" memes are really funny now and all. But if he stayed another 20 years at City while doing what he does now, racking up most of the domestic titles and eventually winning a CL final or two at some point in the next 2 decades, he would be pretty much City's SAF. 3/5 league titles in dominant fashion and 1 CL final in 5 years is still a huge success for a club of City's size. Tuchel himself lost a CL final and got sacked less than 12 months ago, now he's the dog's bollocks.
No doubt Pep failing yet again in the CL is hilarious though.
Always find it funny when oppo’s come here claiming it’s a great place to discuss football then proceed to spout utter shite while they’re here. Bluemoon’s thataway buddy ->Facts are facts my friend or is this place just an echo chamber?
I found it funny that a factual statement triggered so many people, and that same factual statement is an utter shite to these same people because it doesn’t suit their group think and echo chambering.Always find it funny when oppo’s come here claiming it’s a great place to discuss football then proceed to spout utter shite while they’re here. Bluemoon’s thataway buddy ->
I'd say Fergie would have won 3 Champions leagues with that Barca team. Would have won 2 with Bayern and would have won at least 1 with this squad.You could say that yes, although I’m not sure City have the best squad in Europe, I still think Bayern’s is pretty good. You could also say that Fergie didn’t win it for almost a decade after 99, losing to teams like Lille and Leverkusen. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter that much where legacy is concerned.
This place is an echo chamber. A large segment of know it all "top reds" that can't see another manager could be great or better than ferguson. No slight against him but that's entirely possible and highly likely if Pep manages another 20 years. That won't stop from goal posts being constantly shifted here though.Facts are facts my friend or is this place just an echo chamber?
I think you could pretty much replace Pep with Ferguson and it would still be true.These Pep obsessives are a strange bunch aren't they.
Ballbag in full meltdown.
Why do you come on here then? Seriously. What's the attraction.This place is an echo chamber. A large segment of know it all "top reds" that can't see another manager could be great or better than ferguson. No slight against him but that's entirely possible and highly likely if Pep manages another 20 years. That won't stop from goal posts being constantly shifted here though.
I'm not sure there's any other manager in world football who could win three PL titles in four years (having already won three Bundesliga titles in three years) and still be criticised for "failures outside of Spain". Even in the context of comparing him to the greatests of all time, that's an insane way to frame what has been a ludicrously successful career as a manager.I’m a big Pep fan but I think he was simply the right man at the right time at Barca 09-11. He’s a good coach with a nice philosophy but he’s not the GOAT because of his failures outside of Spain.
Tell a lot about us if we lost the League Title to a team with "no fight in them", I'm afraid.I dont know how much of it is on Pep (though presumably a fair bit since the team is mostly all players that he has bought) but I just feel like this Man City team has no fight in them. I don't know if I'd go as far as bottlers but they certainly aren't the team that outfight their opponents. They have so much quality in both their first and second XI, its no wonder they do so well domestically, they're perfect for a league campaign because the quality in their side can blow away the bottom half of the league and a fair bit of the top half. But when they can't just outclass their opponents they don't really seem to have the fight in them to win the game anyway.
You see, Pep obsessives say things like this.I think you could pretty much replace Pep with Ferguson and it would still be true.
I don't spend all day here, probably sum total of 30 mins a day. I love united and would like to be where you can have an open minded discussion. Loving fergie and united doesn't preclude me from admiring others.Why do you come on here then? Seriously. What's the attraction.
Wandering eyeI don't spend all day here, probably sum total of 30 mins a day. I love united and would like to be where you can have an open minded discussion. Loving fergie and united doesn't preclude me from admiring others.
Come on, even my granny could win titles with those Bayern and City teams (and she's been dead 30 years). He's just waltzed in to whichever club has by far the best players at the tim e.I'm not sure there's any other manager in world football who could win three PL titles in four years (having already won three Bundesliga titles in three years) and still be criticised for "failures outside of Spain". Even in the context of comparing him to the greatests of all time, that's an insane way to frame what has been a ludicrously successful career as a manager.
If that's the standard for "failures" then literally every manager in the history of football has awful failures in their career, no doubt starting with SAF and his inability to win more than two CLs in 26 years while lesser managers racked up as many or more in shorter periods of time. You can disqualify pretty much anybody by focusing in on the flaws in their CV.
And most of it defending your hero Pep. QualityI don't spend all day here, probably sum total of 30 mins a day. I love united and would like to be where you can have an open minded discussion. Loving fergie and united doesn't preclude me from admiring others.