I mean, that’s absolute codswallop obviously as already proven in plenty of posts before yours.
Remember when Pep replaced Aguero with Haaland? Yeah, Fergie got to replace Ronaldo with Michael Owen.
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I mean, that’s absolute codswallop obviously as already proven in plenty of posts before yours.
Remember when Pep replaced Aguero with Haaland? Yeah, Fergie got to replace Ronaldo with Michael Owen.
Haaland was only 52 mil or something of that nature. Exceedingly cheap in today's.market. I dont think spending on it's own is the only indicator of success or Chelsea would have won the league the last few years.
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You have to be trolling here. Or you’re living under a rock during the entire City scandal. I am pretty sure it’s the former. You don’t believe for a second City paid £52m for Haaland.
Haha. Yeah right. City will have paid hundreds of millions for Haaland in total, when you add up transfer fee, agent fees, dad fees, wages, and dodgy offshore accounts
Well that is the official line on that transaction. Don't get me wrong I think everything that City has achieved is extremely tainted but it does not remove from Peps achievements, anymore than the Haalands, Agueros etc of the club.
I dont know where you guys are on this....many of you say it doesn't matter what City wins...it's all hollow..You seem intent at the same time from convincing each other that Pep is not in the same breath as Fergie when he clearly is. You still have to win the games, score the goals...those players and managers absolutely do count in their personal achievements. He will pass Fergie in trophy count if he stays, so he is top notch.
Sir Alex, Arsene Wenger, and Jose Mourinho all started their management carears at small clubs working with poor or average squads and worked their way up to top over a number of years, Pep went straight to the top and has only ever managed 3 clubs that were already competing for major honours and had squads containing numerous world class players with the resources to sign more where needed.
I get where you’re coming from but United couldn’t go and buy anyone compared to what Pep has now. We know that United were regularly outspent by different clubs throughout the period SAF was manager, as @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson showed, but also United were not the most financially dominant team in Europe, as Pep has had at city.
Throughout the 90’s the best players went to Italy and United struggled to compete to attract those top players because the wage structure was very strict. Do you think the likes of Batistuta or Ronaldinho go anywhere other than city if they were in for them today?
i wonder how Pep would have got on 8 years under the Glazers
Surely everything that has happened to Man Utd post Ferguson further underlines his position as the greatest. Pep can do what he wants, when he wants at Man City.
We never had a squad of two first teams. Ever.
In fact, at the height of our success, Fergie picked a team that included 7 defenders because of injuries and weariness, and won playing attacking football.
That is why he stands apart from all other managers.
In fact, at the height of our success, Fergie picked a team that included 7 defenders because of injuries and weariness, and won playing attacking football.
That is why he stands apart from all other managers.
Sure
That’s all he cost innit. Plus his and daddy and agents absolutely outrageous fees. Over a hundred million transfer that, and some!
Could have but didn't, Edwards was a tight arse.
They could have gone all in and plumped up the money for Batistuta in 96, but opted for Ole instead.
Money well spent.
Do you not think it would be difficult for Pep to do even what Arteta has done and essentially a build a team from the beginning? Of course, Arteta hasn’t actually won anything yet so maybe Klopp is the better example but I do think it’s a valid point people are making.
Pep is a great coach and one of the best but he’s picked his clubs carefully with unlimited funds (City) and a one team league (Bayern). I’m not saying he should go to the lower leagues to build a team but it’d be interesting to see if he could do it at a second tier club like Spurs or Roma or somewhere like that.
Pep has the power to lure the best players right now, much like Ferguson and even Wenger had back in the day...maybe Klopp had some power too there.... Man City itself also has that lure now. Whatever he actually went for, matters very little in the end unless they get the book throw at them for it. And after 3 years of this nonsense, I am not holding my breath on that one.Sure
That’s all he cost innit. Plus his and daddy and agents absolutely outrageous fees. Over a hundred million transfer that, and some!
The fact is, players nowadays want to go there. He has 6 titles by my count in 9 years. That is a phenomenal winning rate. As I said that has to put him in the argument that he is at least in the top 2 and knocking on the top spot position. I dont think personally the limited resource angle holds a whole lot for your manager here, because in the end he had always enough to work his magic. If that argument fails for Wenger. It also fails for Fergie.
There is something in that, but you manage what you are given. It's the same for every Real manager...none of them really builds a team over there, but it does make it the highest pressure situation of all clubs....and winning over there does deserve credit. So the metrics work a little differently for all clubs. When you come into Barca, Bayern and City there are other challenges.
Or whether he could take a Scottish div 2 side and make them div 1 champions in three years with an average age <20.
Or take a third team and win the Scottish PL in two years when it was a duopoly. Then a European trophy three years later. Bringing in kids like MacLeish, Hewitt, Black.
Then bringing more kids through with us. As rare (by number) as it was under Busby.
Repeatedly taken hard option, repeatedly brought through youth, repeatedly rebuilt, repeatedly won.. 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s.
It’s a ridiculous achievement. Unique.
Fergie and Wenger weren’t bringing the best players in the world in. They signed some big names but the PL was nowhere near as powerful then as it is now, and neither club were anywhere near as wealthy as City’s owners either. It’s not even comparable.
Would have walked out after a few months
United weren't big spenders during the fergie years. Theres fact and figures to back this uo.
There was probably a brief window in the early 2000s (maybe late 90s) when Utd could outspend everyone else in the league, but even then it was never on the level of the Galactico's.
And then it was completely blown out the water when Abramovich came aboard.
Compare both clubs' purchases around 2005-2007. Chelsea went out and signed Ballack and Shevchenko, two of the undisputed top stars of the day. Utd picked up clever hires like Evra, Vidic, and VDS who didn't necessarily cost all that much but who'd end up being excellent value for money. Fergie had to spend smarter in those years especially given how much money Chelsea could throw around.
That’s not even half what it cost, and that’s before his more than £500k per week salary.
Steve McManaman and Wes Brown have two CL winners medals. So?
So Guehi, what was it about the £300k per week salary that made you want to go to Man City?
You’ve clearly made your mind up, which is fine, but you seem to be dismissing so many things about Pep (especially when compared to what Ferguson did) and Man City, it kind of diminishes your argument a bit. Or a lot.
Yep. Through the Fergie years the majority of our squad was made up of home grown players and others picked up on the cheap. Obviously there were exceptions like Vernon, Ferdinand, Rooney etc, but these are the exceptions rather than the norm. City and early Abromovich Chelsea were a different story.
We finished 3rd in 05/06 and Our only summer signing in 2006 was Carrick for 18 mil
Could you imagine we only signed 1 player in the summer these days? We'd all have a collective Aneurysm
We finished 2nd in 2005-06. We finished 3rd in 2003-04 and 2004-05, as well as in 2001-02.
Let's see Pep win a European trophy with Aberdeen beating Real Madrid in the final.
Let's see Pep dominate the PL for years while having to spend money wisely due to being limited by the greed of the club's owners, all the while going up against oil money clubs - and beating them.
Let's see Pep win a treble without 115 charges of financial fraud hanging over his club.
How is spending you own money a 'cheat code'?
Not our fault Arsenal didn't generate as much money.
There is no doubt that Pep Guardiola has been the best manager of the last 10–15 years. However, it will be interesting to see how he is perceived a few years from now, once his Manchester City chapter is over. At that point, his realistic options would likely be either a return to Barcelona without Messi, or taking charge of a club that is not already the dominant force in its league — a team he would need to build into both a domestic and Champions League contender without the level of resources he has enjoyed at City.
I believe that leaving City will mark the beginning of a slight decline in his career. Not a collapse like Mourinho’s, but a gradual fall from his peak, mainly because he would be stepping outside his comfort zone. The only exception to this would be a move to PSG, which would offer him a similar environment in terms of resources and dominance.
I believe that leaving City will mark the beginning of a slight decline in his career. Not a collapse like Mourinho’s, but a gradual fall from his peak, mainly because he would be stepping outside his comfort zone. The only exception to this would be a move to PSG, which would offer him a similar environment in terms of resources and dominance.
Sir Alex didnt have any cheat code for spending and actually spent a lot less at Utd than Arsene Wenger did at Arsenal.
Arsene Wenger - €954,642,000
Sir Alex Ferguson - €793,121,000
Man Utd have been the league’s biggest spenders a measly 5 times from 1992-2026 and only 3 times under Ferguson (and were never before the treble season)
Blackburn and Newcastle outspent us in the 90s and the brief time in the early 00s when we did flex our muscle for a couple of seasons came after wining the treble, directly as a result of the standing and financial power that gave us. City kept buying a whole new defence every other year until they won a treble.
https://www.football365.com/news/bi...ue-season-chelsea-manchester-united-liverpool
As for the golden generation… Liverpool had a similar crop of talented youngsters and the same if not greater pool of ‘generational’ wealth (they were biggest spenders the same amount of times as us before the turn of the millennium - a mighty, once!) and yet…. Didn’t do an awful lot with it.
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I hope this gobshite is off to Columbia or Bolivia or wherever at the end of the season.
Blackburn couldn't sustain their spending and City/Chelsea should not have been able to sustain theirs, but this doesn't change the fact you guys spent as well....just like Arsenal are spending these days. The fact that Chelsea has outspent us in the last 5 years, doesn't really add a whole lot to the reasoning why Arteta hasn't won. That Pool spent more than you during the late 90s and early 2000s is kinda irrelevant since they never beat you to a title, just like Chelsea never beat us.
For the majority of your most successful years, we were your biggest challengers and you outspent us, so you had plenty on hand in my opinion. Wenger, I think should have spent more or tipped his hand to force the board to spend more at the time instead of letting his fantastic team to be dismantled like that.
You spent 30 mil on guys like Veron and Rio and at the time, that was way out of our league. It's hard for me to say...yea you guys were operating on a tight budget.
Don't have the stats to hand but remember reading/seeing somewhere that Liverpool were spending a lot more on transfers/wages than many of us would typically have thought in the 90s, it's just largely forgotten because they didn't do anything with it.
In many ways they were similar to post-Fergie Utd - they didn't struggle due to a lack of resources, they still had all the ingredients to be a top club, was a mix of bad recruitment and bad management following a lengthy golden era.
That's...not really an accurate look at Utd's years of success under Fergie though.
Arsenal were only really the main challengers from a very specific period, from 97-04.
They weren't consistently in the mix from 92-97, Chelsea were then the main challengers from 04-11, and after that it became City until Fergie's departure.
You can argue Arsenal fell away because Wenger couldn't spend in the way Chelsea and City could (and think new stadium repayments played a large role too), but Arsenal were in reality only the most consistent challenger for a select portion of Utd's golden era, not the majority of it.
Fergie was just a genius though. Never finished below 3rd if I remember correctly. Also could beat ac Milan in Europe fielding 7 defenders. Anyone that puts Guardiola in the same sentence as him doesn’t have a clue
That was Arsenal in the cup
A day that inspired Mikel Arteta clearly.
We did the same with Milan aswell I think.