Pep Guardiola Threatens to quit Man City

RedDevil@84 said:
Could be. They always have dodgy outgoings. Random nobodies from their academy go on loans and everyone is paying a loan amount. Southampton buying City players who had hardly played, for 10M and upwards. Their outgoings somehow will match their incomings
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These are just the deals with Southampton from the past few seasons.

2024/25
  • Taylor Harwood-Bellis (8 appearances) - £20 million

2023/24
  • Shea Charles (1 appearance) - £10.5 million

2022/23
  • Gavin Bazunu (0 appearances) - £12 million
  • Romeo Lavia (2 appearances) - £10.5 million
  • Samuel Edozie (1 appearance) - £10 million
  • Juan Larios (0 appearances) - £6 million

Nearly £70 million spent on players from City's academy, with only a handful of appearances between them. Some had literally never played senior football before.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
*never played.

I heard a stat that they’d brought in something like £250m from academy players that had never made appearance under Pep. I’m incredibly skeptical about some of those deals. Have any of the buying clubs had money funnelled into them to inflate the fees paid for PSR/FFP purposes?

However, I would say seek out the full quotes from him, not the link posted here. He’s obviously got his tongue in his cheek rather than making a serious point.
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What link are you referring to? Everything that’s been posted today had video footage of Peps statement, I even linked the full press conference.
 
Alex99 said:
These are just the deals with Southampton from the past few seasons.

2024/25
  • Taylor Harwood-Bellis (8 appearances) - £20 million

2023/24
  • Shea Charles (1 appearance) - £10.5 million

2022/23
  • Gavin Bazunu (0 appearances) - £12 million
  • Romeo Lavia (2 appearances) - £10.5 million
  • Samuel Edozie (1 appearance) - £10 million
  • Juan Larios (0 appearances) - £6 million

Nearly £70 million spent on players from City's academy, with only a handful of appearances between them. Some had literally never played senior football before.
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Wonder what happened to that Wilcox guy.....

That to me remains one of the most baffling periods of any transfer activity by a prem club in last decade. Southampton were for years a comfortable mid table team with one of the best academies outside elite teams.

They ripped that all up to become a Man. City B team and hardly any of those bar Lavia elevated the quality of their 11 and now they can't even challenge for promotion from the championship.

I do find it hilarious Man. City are currently playing the victim card while 115 charges just rolls on like tumbleweed in the background.
 
Adz_99 said:
Net spend is such a cop out statistic.

As if them selling Palmer for a few quid completely negates the hundreds of millions they've splurged in transfer spend or the fact that their wage bill is the highest in the league by a country fecking mile. It's not even close.
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Yea net spend in his context is only relevant if the players they sell weaken them in any way. Selling youth team players that have never kicked a ball for you isn't a footballing concern it's just accounting
 
The thing is, I don’t have a problem with bringing up net spend. If it was us we would be furious that we aren’t investing more in new players.

The problem is City made most of their money from players that have barely kicked a ball as people have mentioned. Whether that is dodgy or not who knows, but all the while they retain almost all their best players, and have nearly enough quality players to field two entire first teams.

They have invested heavily in two successive January windows, never mind their summer business. You have players like Marmoush that are already in the discard pile.

His complaints make absolutely no sense unless he’s expecting the club to be breaking transfer records on the world’s best players.
 
jadajos said:
What link are you referring to? Everything that’s been posted today had video footage of Peps statement, I even linked the full press conference.
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I saw it on BBC Sport and then was a touch more preamble where it was more obvious he was being a sarcastic prick. Again.
 
Woodzy said:
The thing is, I don’t have a problem with bringing up net spend. If it was us we would be furious that we aren’t investing more in new players.

The problem is City made most of their money from players that have barely kicked a ball as people have mentioned. Whether that is dodgy or not who knows, but all the while they retain almost all their best players, and have nearly enough quality players to field two entire first teams.

They have invested heavily in two successive January windows, never mind their summer business. You have players like Marmoush that are already in the discard pile.

His complaints make absolutely no sense unless he’s expecting the club to be breaking transfer records on the world’s best players.
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He wants more credit for his trophies and not be seen as just having a blank cheque to win it all. He mentioned there's teams that have spent more net and they will surely win trophies as a result!
 
man i'm so looking forward to the day that cnut leaves City. Not only because I hope they'll be knocked down a notch, but also because I can't think of a more unlikeable man in charge of a football team. And that's saying something.
 
Bright_Eyes said:
I suppose as well that they might be being more careful with their net spend after the charges. They don't need to spend as much anymore to have a top squad so perhaps they aren't risking it as much as they used to.
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They have spent £500m in the last 12 months and they don't have a top squad for it in my opinion. Many average players signed.
 
Must be fun when you get to balance the books on both ends and then claim legitimacy.

It's a shame Pep is up to his neck and still does things like this. Do your dirt and be embarrassed and silent about it like a decent human being at least.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
Yeah. They don't want to get sued, or end up at the bottom of a river.
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And this fear factor only empowers Pep to spout this sort of crap, he thinks he's untouchable.

Sure he's just a big wind up merchant, who says this sort of stuff because he's bored stupid at City.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:

We gonna win the league!!!
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Surprised at Newcastle in that list. Just sold Isak for 125m. The other year they sold Minteh and Anderson for about 60m combined to meet PSR requirements. Can only think they've sold no one else in that period for significant fees for their net spend to be 450m + since their takeover.
 
Bright_Eyes said:
I suppose as well that they might be being more careful with their net spend after the charges. They don't need to spend as much anymore to have a top squad so perhaps they aren't risking it as much as they used to.
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Their net spend is low because their absolutely unknown players go on loans for undisclosed amount and players from their academy who never played a minute of senior game surprisingly go to clubs like Southampton for 10-25M. It is all a big scam.
 
Alex99 said:
These are just the deals with Southampton from the past few seasons.

2024/25
  • Taylor Harwood-Bellis (8 appearances) - £20 million

2023/24
  • Shea Charles (1 appearance) - £10.5 million

2022/23
  • Gavin Bazunu (0 appearances) - £12 million
  • Romeo Lavia (2 appearances) - £10.5 million
  • Samuel Edozie (1 appearance) - £10 million
  • Juan Larios (0 appearances) - £6 million

Nearly £70 million spent on players from City's academy, with only a handful of appearances between them. Some had literally never played senior football before.
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The 115 charges doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the depth in to how much they've financially doped over the years.

I'd be very intrigued to see the payment terms for these transfers.
 
Alex99 said:
These are just the deals with Southampton from the past few seasons.

2024/25
  • Taylor Harwood-Bellis (8 appearances) - £20 million

2023/24
  • Shea Charles (1 appearance) - £10.5 million

2022/23
  • Gavin Bazunu (0 appearances) - £12 million
  • Romeo Lavia (2 appearances) - £10.5 million
  • Samuel Edozie (1 appearance) - £10 million
  • Juan Larios (0 appearances) - £6 million

Nearly £70 million spent on players from City's academy, with only a handful of appearances between them. Some had literally never played senior football before.
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I'm sure this all perfectly fine and legal and not dodgy at all
 
It’s a load of shit anyway. It’s a very specific time period mentioned which makes City look good as five years ago their only signing was Grealish whilst they did sell a lot of players.

However, the years preceding and in the last two years they have gone super charged again. I’m sure they might not spent loads this summer as they’ve done an insane amount in the last 18 months.
 
Have to say some of his recent comments and speeches, especially about Palestinians, and now ICE, are making him a lot more difficult to dislike. Nice to see someone speak out.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Have to say some of his recent comments and speeches, especially about Palestinians, and now ICE, are making him a lot more difficult to dislike. Nice to see someone speak out.
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It would be nicer if he spoke out about the people paying him thousands a week, and the people cheering it on.

He's dangerously close to sullying a legitimate protest, considering his complete hypocrisy.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:

We gonna win the league!!!
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So rich teams that suck increase their spending to catch up with the 1-2 rich teams that don't suck.

Arsenal may finally be rewarded for their spending, but that is mainly because City and Liverpool have fallen off. But fair play; you gotta be ready when that happens.
 
But more importantly: how often does City miss out on transfer targets because they get outbid by another club?
 
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Transfermarket has them in 5th place on net spend and second in expenditure over a 5 year period. What is way more shocking is how high we are on that list for net and expenditure and how low on income we are. Players really only get worse at our club, it's amazing how we manage that.
 
NoLogo said:
Transfermarket has them in 5th place on net spend and second in expenditure over a 5 year period. What is way more shocking is how high we are on that list for net and expenditure and how low on income we are. Players really only get worse at our club, it's amazing how we manage that.
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I don't think players have got worse. We've just massively overspent on players that were never that good in the first place.

£50 million Ugarte, £40 million on Zirkzee, £55 million on Mount, £45 million on Onana, £65 million on Hojlund, £80 million on Antony, £80 million on Sancho, £35 million on van de Beek, £50 million on Wan-Bissaka, £80 million on Maguire, £50 million on Fred.

It all adds up.
 
His net spend stuff is stupid and he knows what he is doing

But his stuff on the shit happening around the world was good
 
Alex99 said:
£50 million Ugarte, £40 million on Zirkzee, £55 million on Mount, £45 million on Onana, £65 million on Hojlund, £80 million on Antony, £80 million on Sancho, £35 million on van de Beek, £50 million on Wan-Bissaka, £80 million on Maguire, £50 million on Fred.
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Good lord.
 
Alex99 said:
I don't think players have got worse. We've just massively overspent on players that were never that good in the first place.

£50 million Ugarte, £40 million on Zirkzee, £55 million on Mount, £45 million on Onana, £65 million on Hojlund, £80 million on Antony, £80 million on Sancho, £35 million on van de Beek, £50 million on Wan-Bissaka, £80 million on Maguire, £50 million on Fred.

It all adds up.
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There is an element of that as well, but can you think of any players that improved the way players improved at our club when SAF was still here? Maybe Amad, maybe you could argue Bruno has actually become the leader and football he is today at our club but with him it's imo more down to maturing a bit instead of improving his football. Apart from that I can't really remember any transfer where I thought. "He has come along really nicely, he was so rough when he arrived and now look at him, one of the best players in the league." Granted Lammens, Dorgu, Yoro and Heaven all look like they have it in them to become top players in the league but they are all very recent purchases, before that the majority of players declined rather than developed.
 
Alex99 said:
I don't think players have got worse. We've just massively overspent on players that were never that good in the first place.

£50 million Ugarte, £40 million on Zirkzee, £55 million on Mount, £45 million on Onana, £65 million on Hojlund, £80 million on Antony, £80 million on Sancho, £35 million on van de Beek, £50 million on Wan-Bissaka, £80 million on Maguire, £50 million on Fred.

It all adds up.
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That list just knocks you sick
 
NoLogo said:
There is an element of that as well, but can you think of any players that improved the way players improved at our club when SAF was still here? Maybe Amad, maybe you could argue Bruno has actually become the leader and football he is today at our club but with him it's imo more down to maturing a bit instead of improving his football. Apart from that I can't really remember any transfer where I thought. "He has come along really nicely, he was so rough when he arrived and now look at him, one of the best players in the league." Granted Lammens, Dorgu, Yoro and Heaven all look like they have it in them to become top players in the league but they are all very recent purchases, before that the majority of players declined rather than developed.
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We've not really been an environment to nurture talent, but that doesn't mean everyone got worse.

We've made a host of bad signings, often very expensive ones. That's basically the beginning and the end of it.

Who do you think declined? I expect most of the list will either be players showing obvious signs of decline before we signed them (the likes of Sanchez and Schweinsteiger, ) or that were probably over-hyped to begin with (Pogba, Sancho, Mkhitaryan, etc.).
 
Alex99 said:
I don't think players have got worse. We've just massively overspent on players that were never that good in the first place.

£50 million Ugarte, £40 million on Zirkzee, £55 million on Mount, £45 million on Onana, £65 million on Hojlund, £80 million on Antony, £80 million on Sancho, £35 million on van de Beek, £50 million on Wan-Bissaka, £80 million on Maguire, £50 million on Fred.

It all adds up.
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Depressing.
 
Scandi Red said:
But more importantly: how often does City miss out of transfer targets because they get outbid by another club?
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Yes - and how come Barcelona/Madrid/Bayern etc are hardly ever sniffing around their players trying to persuade them to move? I know it's happened on the odd occasion but I also remember hearing there was some kind of 'agreement' between some of the big clubs in other leagues and City's owners that they wouldn't try and poach City's players.

Reeks of shady dealings and corruption.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Have to say some of his recent comments and speeches, especially about Palestinians, and now ICE, are making him a lot more difficult to dislike. Nice to see someone speak out.
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There's a certain amount of hypocrisy when you remember who he's working for though!
 
DarkLord1984 said:
Yes - and how come Barcelona/Madrid/Bayern etc are hardly ever sniffing around their players trying to persuade them to move? I know it's happened on the odd occasion but I also remember hearing there was some kind of 'agreement' between some of the big clubs in other leagues and City's owners that they wouldn't try and poach City's players.

Reeks of shady dealings and corruption.
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Yeah its bizarre that no one ever was even remotley linked with the likes of Aguero, Toure or Silva despite Madrid/Barcas obvious appeal to every player in history.
 
Our net spend figure is diabolical because we’ve been such awful sellers. In part, that’s because we’ve bought badly, but we’ve also not sold players at the right time. We could’ve got more for Henderson if we’d sold him earlier, ditto Garner. We faffed about with players like Jones that should’ve been shifted long before they departed on a free. Martial and Lingard are others that we could’ve sold for fees but didn’t.
 
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