Pep Guardiola Threatens to quit Man City

I know the terms can be a bit confusing, but I think Old Jimmy’s comments were more xenophobic than racist.
If we're gonna go back and fourth on this we will definitely be needing to find a different thread for it but I will just say that I used to make that distinction myself but I came to believe it too often just makes it sound like one is defending bigotry.

I think seeing xenophobia as a subset of racism rather than a seperate branch is a more accurate reflection of how the terms are commonly used and thus is a better way to go in most circumstances. Dictionary definitions do not always result in more accurate communication, life is more complex than that.
 
So Pep feels he’s being harshly treated with yellow cards?
I’d say the officials have been lenient with him over the years, to the point of letting him get away with all sorts of incidents.
Why does he feel he’s a special case compared to any other manager?
 
Probably staying? In large part to the officiating, unfinished business.

He's definitely got a point in the league. Saw it clear as day last weekend.
 
Surprises me that people on here aren’t begging for Arsenal to win the league. As I am and he’s one of the reasons.
 
Surprises me that people on here aren’t begging for Arsenal to win the league.

Because I was a teenager during the height of the United-Arsenal rivalry.

And because I've met dozens of Arsenal fans, but not a single City fan.

And out of every supporter group I've interacted with, Arsenal fans have by far the highest cnut ratio.

And as unlikable as Pep is, Arteta is worse. So is his brand of football. And this comes from someone who doesn't like "Pep ball".
 
Somehow the hate for Arteta is much greater than the cheats here.

I mean that's just football, innit? And while it's not 100% the same situation, most United fans didn't hate Chelsea more than Liverpool and Arsenal in the 2000's. Personal rivalries run deeper. Now City are rivals too of course, but you have to have lived in Manchester for it to truly feel like a rivalry. Since I haven't lived in Manchester I have actually met more Hull, Blackburn and Stoke supporters than City supporters.
 
I mean that's just football, innit? And while it's not 100% the same situation, most United fans didn't hate Chelsea more than Liverpool and Arsenal in the 2000's. Personal rivalries run deeper. Now City are rivals too of course, but you have to have lived in Manchester for it to truly feel like a rivalry. Since I haven't lived in Manchester I have actually met more Hull, Blackburn and Stoke supporters than City supporters.
That will probably change, you see many little kids with the city kits on nowadays, a lot more than you used to. Natrually they're going to have more fans, but fans won't forget the cheating so soon. It'll take years to wash that reputation away. Maybe it will never go.
 
Surprises me that people on here aren’t begging for Arsenal to win the league. As I am and he’s one of the reasons.
Couldn't give a toss about city tbh. None of their success means anything.

Arsenal fans and their anti football, Wimbledon-lite, victim mentality bullshit can go feck themselves though.
 
So Pep feels he’s being harshly treated with yellow cards?
I’d say the officials have been lenient with him over the years, to the point of letting him get away with all sorts of incidents.
Why does he feel he’s a special case compared to any other manager?
Hilarious considering he's the one that started doing the cynical fouls in the opponents half knowing that refs don't five yellow like they do after the halfway line.
 
Fans of United should want Arsenal to win the league over City,

End of.
As others have put it more eloquently above, there's reasons why Arsenal are/may be more irritating to some than City.

Also, you can find City and its institutional cheating more scandalous and detrimental to the sport as a whole. and still be more bothered with Arsenal, their fans, and Paella Pulis.
 
Fans of United should want Arsenal to win the league over City,

End of.

You might as well say "United fans must have lived in Manchester" :p

Now if you change the statement to "fans of football" then I can sort of agree. These state-owned, cheating clubs should not be allowed to exist.

This is ideal scenario:

- City win this year
- Then, during celebrations, all their titles from this century get taken from them. And all those titles are void (i.e. not going to the runner up)
- And then Carrick kick-starts a new United dynasty from next season
- And then most ex-United players (Scholes, Neville etc) get banned from TV and social media

Pure bliss.
 
Arsenal, despite the obnoxious fan base and the dire football, are a big club who have done an excellent rebuild in the last 4 or 5 years. I kind of respect that part of what they’ve done, the same way I begrudgingly respected Klopp’s work with Liverpool. We had to do something similar when Chelsea were on top in the 00s. For that reason I’d rather see them win the title.
 
Yeah, try telling a local Manchester fan that City's success means nothing
I’d much rather City win it then Liverpool, as the latter does carry a lot more merit all things considered. That said, I’m very much wanting Arsenal to win the league over City.
 
As others have put it more eloquently above, there's reasons why Arsenal are/may be more irritating to some than City.

Also, you can find City and its institutional cheating more scandalous and detrimental to the sport as a whole. and still be more bothered with Arsenal, their fans, and Paella Pulis.

They didn't grow up with the french press unable to shut up about Wenger's frenchies. I can't stand Arsenal!
 
Because I was a teenager during the height of the United-Arsenal rivalry.

And because I've met dozens of Arsenal fans, but not a single City fan.

And out of every supporter group I've interacted with, Arsenal fans have by far the highest cnut ratio.

And as unlikable as Pep is, Arteta is worse. So is his brand of football. And this comes from someone who doesn't like "Pep ball".
I understand what you mean, I'm from the same generation as you and we're probably of the same age but I don't get the whole City is irrelevant so I don't care if they win more titles. They're already on 10 titles, if they keep winning and this is considered to be their transition season, it wouldn't be long before they rewrite history with the most PL titles. Arsenal despite having a toxic fanbase at least are a proper club that gives me good nostalgia in the height of the United-Arsenal rivalry and our golden era in the early 2000s. It's also been 22 years since they last won the title and if any club deserves to win it without breaking FFP, it's them.
 
First things first; everyone else is a rival, Liverpool are the enemy. As I always say, if Space Jam were real, and the Martians played Liverpool, I’d want the earth to die.

On Arsenal or City, I live in Manchester (used to live on Busby Way) and I’d rather City won it. As others have said, no one cares. You hear more about our treble from over 25 years ago than you do about their’s from a couple of seasons ago (I couldn’t even tell you the specific season, that’s how few f**ks I give).

Humans communicate through stories and sport is no different; the narrative is really important. City’s story is they got bought by an oil state who handed over bottomless riches to best in class decision makers who methodically and sensibly spent that money to make them good. That is an incredibly dull story; it captures no hearts and minds and it’s why neutral fans are broadly indifferent to them.

The interesting parallel is Chelsea, because they also got untold riches pumped into them, but, and here’s the twist… the guy doing it was a bit of a madman. He wasn’t sensible with a long term vision, he’d hire and fire managers and spunk huge sums on strikers the team didn’t need. That’s a far more interesting story; it’s got ups and downs, twists and turns.

As for Arsenal, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I find the whole club to be the embodiment of their manager, and I think he’s one of the most gratingly irritating men to have ever graced the league. The football of Pulis, the pushing of the rules of Jose, the high performance stunt wankery of Brentan, the touchline performative nonsense of Pep and Klopp and the accent of Rafa. I can’t stand the bloke and I want him to fail.
 
That will probably change, you see many little kids with the city kits on nowadays, a lot more than you used to. Natrually they're going to have more fans, but fans won't forget the cheating so soon. It'll take years to wash that reputation away. Maybe it will never go.
Living in Manchester my whole life, I've definitely seen a rise in City fans when you see kids out wearing the shirts.

You wouldn't know by seeing the Etihad every week but their popularity has definitely grown in Manchester alone. Worldwide was a given.
I think most local fans want Arsenal to win it but more global here hence the mix.
It seems to be that way, yeah.
Yeah, try telling a local Manchester fan that City's success means nothing
100%. I've said it before myself. Their success is very real and if even they get done for cheating, they will always have those memories and moments to look back on because none of them care how they came about their success.
 
Wish he would go, but it would be glorious to see him still playing the ignorant innocent act at press conferences after a suitable points deduction for 115.

Him going would plant uncertainty in the minds of shared transfer targets.
 
Living in Manchester my whole life, I've definitely seen a rise in City fans when you see kids out wearing the shirts.

You wouldn't know by seeing the Etihad every week but their popularity has definitely grown in Manchester alone. Worldwide was a given.

It seems to be that way, yeah.

100%. I've said it before myself. Their success is very real and if even they get done for cheating, they will always have those memories and moments to look back on because none of them care how they came about their success.

This is so true. Had 115 fans laugh in my face when I have stated their success is built on corruption. They love being better than us and they don’t care how it was done.
 
Wanting City to win it ahead of Arsenal to me honestly just doesn’t make any sense at all. It honestly comes across as rather small time and even petty in my opinion. City is our local rivalry, not Arsenal. Imagine Spurs getting bought out by Saudis and it was between us and them for a league title. I can guarantee you not a single Arsenal fan would be wanting Spurs to win it that’s for sure.
 
Wish he would go, but it would be glorious to see him still playing the ignorant innocent act at press conferences after a suitable points deduction for 115.

Him going would plant uncertainty in the minds of shared transfer targets.
Agreed. Sick to death of our targets going to them.
 
Wanting City to win it ahead of Arsenal to me honestly just doesn’t make any sense at all. It honestly comes across as rather small time and even petty in my opinion. City is our local rivalry, not Arsenal. Imagine Spurs getting bought out by Saudis and it was between us and them for a league title. I can guarantee you not a single Arsenal fan would be wanting Spurs to win it that’s for sure.
I haven’t seen anybody put that way before, but you’re right, I literally can’t think of a single Arsenal fan who’d want Spurs to win the title over United in that scenario.
 
Wanting City to win it ahead of Arsenal to me honestly just doesn’t make any sense at all. It honestly comes across as rather small time and even petty in my opinion. City is our local rivalry, not Arsenal. Imagine Spurs getting bought out by Saudis and it was between us and them for a league title. I can guarantee you not a single Arsenal fan would be wanting Spurs to win it that’s for sure.

Is that an apt comparison? I would think it goes something like this (ranked from worst to least bad if they win):

For United fans:
1. Liverpool
2. Arsenal/City (City for those living in Manchester)

For Arsenal fans:
1. Spurs
2. United
3. Chelsea (same city + scars from the first Mourinho era)
 
Wanting City to win it ahead of Arsenal to me honestly just doesn’t make any sense at all. It honestly comes across as rather small time and even petty in my opinion. City is our local rivalry, not Arsenal. Imagine Spurs getting bought out by Saudis and it was between us and them for a league title. I can guarantee you not a single Arsenal fan would be wanting Spurs to win it that’s for sure.
Add in all the cheating and you realise their titles are utterly hollow and meaningless. If they win it's basically like nobody does.

That's the difference between them simply being a lottery win club and what they actually are.

Arsenal fans are insufferable and it's great watching them consistently bottle it, does anyone actually give a shit about City fans (all ten of them)?
 
Add in all the cheating and you realise their titles are utterly hollow and meaningless. If they win it's basically like nobody does.

That's the difference between them simply being a lottery win club and what they actually are.

Arsenal fans are insufferable and it's great watching them consistently bottle it, does anyone actually give a shit about City fans (all ten of them)?
I see this a lot. Honestly, I think that it's a coping mechanism.

They are a very real club that are based in the same city as you, and absolutely love lording it over you when they rack up yet another title....why United fans would rather them win the title is beyond me - if Everton suddenly came into money, won title upon title, rubbed it in our faces and got a few slaps on the wrist for their troubles, there's no way in hell I'd rather them win yet another title over a club like Arsenal or Chelsea, as annoying a their fans can be!
 
I see this a lot. Honestly, I think that it's a coping mechanism.

They are a very real club that are based in the same city as you, and absolutely love lording it over you when they rack up yet another title....why United fans would rather them win the title is beyond me - if Everton suddenly came into money, won title upon title, rubbed it in our faces and got a few slaps on the wrist for their troubles, there's no way in hell I'd rather them win yet another title over a club like Arsenal or Chelsea, as annoying a their fans can be!
I think it's a mix of coping and, as @TheReligion points out, people outside of Manchester not feeling the rivalry.

As I said above, their success is very real. People can try and brush it off if they want but the fans have the memories and moments, and the teams themselves will go in the history books. For example, we can go on about how we're the only English club to do a legitimate treble but a lot of people - and kids growing up in this era - have rated their treble team higher than ours. Their success sticks.

Arsenal to win it all day everyday, and twice on Sundays.
This is so true. Had 115 fans laugh in my face when I have stated their success is built on corruption. They love being better than us and they don’t care how it was done.
Even my brother who's sane when it comes to everything outside of City has none of the cheating claims.
 
I’ve live in South Manchester and it’s quite mad how rarely I ever see a city fan. They might as well not exist down here. For most of the season I was in favour of Le Arse winning it over City. Recently, though, I’ve started to lean towards them bottle it, purely because of their horrendous approach to the game.

The last ten years or so couldn’t have been worse for United fans :lol: like trying to choose which family member you want to shoot in the head.
 
First things first; everyone else is a rival, Liverpool are the enemy. As I always say, if Space Jam were real, and the Martians played Liverpool, I’d want the earth to die.

On Arsenal or City, I live in Manchester (used to live on Busby Way) and I’d rather City won it. As others have said, no one cares. You hear more about our treble from over 25 years ago than you do about their’s from a couple of seasons ago (I couldn’t even tell you the specific season, that’s how few f**ks I give).

Humans communicate through stories and sport is no different; the narrative is really important. City’s story is they got bought by an oil state who handed over bottomless riches to best in class decision makers who methodically and sensibly spent that money to make them good. That is an incredibly dull story; it captures no hearts and minds and it’s why neutral fans are broadly indifferent to them.

The interesting parallel is Chelsea, because they also got untold riches pumped into them, but, and here’s the twist… the guy doing it was a bit of a madman. He wasn’t sensible with a long term vision, he’d hire and fire managers and spunk huge sums on strikers the team didn’t need. That’s a far more interesting story; it’s got ups and downs, twists and turns.

As for Arsenal, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I find the whole club to be the embodiment of their manager, and I think he’s one of the most gratingly irritating men to have ever graced the league. The football of Pulis, the pushing of the rules of Jose, the high performance stunt wankery of Brentan, the touchline performative nonsense of Pep and Klopp and the accent of Rafa. I can’t stand the bloke and I want him to fail.
Absolute brilliant :lol:
 
First things first; everyone else is a rival, Liverpool are the enemy. As I always say, if Space Jam were real, and the Martians played Liverpool, I’d want the earth to die.

On Arsenal or City, I live in Manchester (used to live on Busby Way) and I’d rather City won it. As others have said, no one cares. You hear more about our treble from over 25 years ago than you do about their’s from a couple of seasons ago (I couldn’t even tell you the specific season, that’s how few f**ks I give).

Humans communicate through stories and sport is no different; the narrative is really important. City’s story is they got bought by an oil state who handed over bottomless riches to best in class decision makers who methodically and sensibly spent that money to make them good. That is an incredibly dull story; it captures no hearts and minds and it’s why neutral fans are broadly indifferent to them.

The interesting parallel is Chelsea, because they also got untold riches pumped into them, but, and here’s the twist… the guy doing it was a bit of a madman. He wasn’t sensible with a long term vision, he’d hire and fire managers and spunk huge sums on strikers the team didn’t need. That’s a far more interesting story; it’s got ups and downs, twists and turns.

As for Arsenal, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I find the whole club to be the embodiment of their manager, and I think he’s one of the most gratingly irritating men to have ever graced the league. The football of Pulis, the pushing of the rules of Jose, the high performance stunt wankery of Brentan, the touchline performative nonsense of Pep and Klopp and the accent of Rafa. I can’t stand the bloke and I want him to fail.

Well put.