he made himself look a right prat by having a go at Dean Henderson on the pitch after the Cup Final, imagine if they get charged with any of the 115 (i feel they will get off here) , his head may actually explode.
Pep Guardiola Threatens to quit Man City
- Thread starter UnitedSofa
- Start date
-
In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, we interview Duncan Drasdo of MUST - covering ticket prices, new stadium, INEOS and what fans should be demanding from our club.
Also, due to technical issues we couldn't put a notice up for the previous episode which was about the game against Bournemouth and other stuff. If you'd like to listen to it, click here.
They have been charged, hence why they're known as the 115 charges
He's a mansion decorator, who's complaining about missing some gold paint. Complete entitled tool of a man.
Most leagues have one or two of them from time to time - Juve, Ajax as well. All different no doubt in terms of how much more powerful they are/were of course.
Who are all these established world class players Man Utd have signed since Pep arrived?
I don't really get your point on Pool - the whole reason people praise Klopp and some put him above Pep is because he created a great new team with players he often developed or maybe weren't seen as that good. I guess a resident Pool fan will know better but from memory, he built essentially that entire team, all the key players he had to bring in or develop whereas Pep went in and his best players, arguably still many of the best players of his tenure, were already in place: Kompany, Aguero, KDB, Silva, Fernandinho etc.
I also don't get your point on United - as in you mean United have spent badly on big names? yes, of course, that's literally why we're in the shit. Pep + Txix is clearly a top level combination, unless you think Ole + Woody or ETH + Murtough should run them close?
Has Paul Bastard spoken on this one yet?
Just before January he was moaning that his squad needed reinforcements.
His record in the transfer market recently is pretty woeful.. especially in the wide areas.
Recently he seems to sign wide players then immediately diminish their attacking flair. Turning them into pass back merchants.
His record in the transfer market recently is pretty woeful.. especially in the wide areas.
Recently he seems to sign wide players then immediately diminish their attacking flair. Turning them into pass back merchants.
Don't care about what he says. Man waffles a lot but that thing he does with the spit/saliva.
Fecking disgusting, and at times when you don't expect it. Oh KDB missed a great chance....Peps has his hands on his head and boom he has this white shyte on his lips which he doesn't spit out but swallows back....
Fecking disgusting, and at times when you don't expect it. Oh KDB missed a great chance....Peps has his hands on his head and boom he has this white shyte on his lips which he doesn't spit out but swallows back....
But a lot of them were really good, that's the point. Just because Salah was 40m and Mane 30m or whatever, it doesn't mean Klopp was a miracle worker. They were among the best players in the world multiple years during Klopp's time there. Salah has arguably been the best player in the world the last season. Klopp is amazing and built a team on a slimmer budget than other teams, but the team he ended up with was brilliant and in that way he is not a miracle worker. The fact that his replacement already won as many leagues as he did sort of tells you all you need to know about that.
The point about United is to show that City hardly have gone after the biggest names in football since Pep got there. A lot of the players in City are seen as these mythical world class players exactly because Pep had them win so much.
No, the opposite. He’s complaining about having too much gold paint.
What the absolute feck is he going on about? How is any of this not his and his recruitment teams fault?
You get there's a difference between the reputation of a player when they arrive at a club, versus how we see them now though right?
Translated from Manager bull into English as
"I've signed too many dross players, I want rid of them all and just get me a squad of 20 superstars"
"I've signed too many dross players, I want rid of them all and just get me a squad of 20 superstars"
Of course there is. But I wouldn't call Pep a miracle worker because he made Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Messi all to be world beaters in their positions. It's good work maximizing players potential, but it's no miracles. The same goes for Klopp and players like Salah, Mane, Van Dijk, Alisson etc.
Besides, City hasn't bought world beaters either. Looking through their signing in the past 9 years, it's mostly Haaland that stands out as the one true world class signing they have made. Most of the players they have bought has improved drastically playing for them.
Surprised he's stayed this long, can't see him staying much longer
Technically they glide, not fly.
I mean, for one thing, I'd think Zlatan, Varane and Casemiro individuelly had more trophies than the combined trophy haul of all City's signings since Pep's arrival. It might not be entirely factual (at least if you look at top 5 leagues + CL, and disregard the resigning of Gundo) , but it's not that far off and you at least should get the point.
Last edited:
To be fair, Pep doesn't like large squads. It was already one of his requirements at Barcelona from day one.
ooh the board bought me too many players.. give me a break
Neither would I? Xavi, Iniesta, Messi were all already starters, all of them continued to be class or even improve after he left. Doesn't mean he didn't get them to play at an insane level, but it's not really comparable. Busquets is one I think you can give huge credit to Pep for, in general with DMs he has a great eye as that was his position but it's not like Rodri was unknown or they hadn't tried to get Jorginho over him the year before. Re Klopp I meant more that he competed with such a smaller budget, neither of them actually run their own recruitment (hence why they've recruited much better than United, because it's not a manager picking transfers).
You can file 'players in the tribune' alongside 'low block' and 'beat the press' as phrases we never needed back in the day.
Pep might actually be staring at an end of era and would wish to jump ship at the earliest opportunity. And he would prefer it to be clean without being perceived as raising the white flag.
As a previous poster has already alluded to, the prospect of working miracles with a finally functioning Barca team, that has Yamal in it, is quite tantalising.
As a previous poster has already alluded to, the prospect of working miracles with a finally functioning Barca team, that has Yamal in it, is quite tantalising.
Whether Pep has improved Rodri and/or Busquets is sort of the point here - they are brilliant players, some of the best in the world in their respective position. With or without Pep they would have been amazing. Whether he made the most out of them (he did) isn't really important, because they are that good. The same goes for a lot of the players in Klopp's best Liverpool team. Van Dijk is one of the best defenders to ever play in the Premier League. Salah is one of the best players to ever play in the Premier League and arguably had the best ever Premier League season in his first year in England. The point isn't that Klopp didn't do great work in Liverpool, he did, the point is that it's not some kind of miracle work to turn those players into a title winning side. It's not a Leicester type of overperformance where the level of performance was completely unsustainable. These players have managed to sustain a world class level performance for multiple years, and are still doing it when Klopp isn't there anymore. It's very impressive that Liverpool managed to build that team (or the current team) on a slimmer budget (than all other top clubs in the Premier League, mind) but they still had brilliant players, which is what matters in the end.
As for a previous point you've made, that Pep's achievements are bigged up because Klopp did so good. That's partly true, but Klopp's achievements have equally been bigged up because of Pep doing so good. No one would have cared about Liverpool's second place finishes if not for the fact that they would have given them a title in virtually every other season in the Premier League.
Again, I think you're writing from the present - Salah, Mane, Wijnaldum, Firminho, these were not players with the reputations of Rodri, Grealish, Bernardo, Haaland etc. naturally, today, we look at them and say Salah is world class but no one called that when he was moving from Roma, whereas everyone knew Haaland was amazing.
Not really re Klopp, he gets fairly rated. 3 CL finals (won it before Pep even got there) and losing out by 1 point twice in the PL to a team with literally over double the spend and who cheated. We did that question a while back of best PL managers and he was quite low from memory - obviously this is a United forum - but I think many people simply say; this manager won more than that manager, therefore they are better.
Doubt it, he’s always seen out his contract
No doubt Erling Haaland was known to be amazing. But he is not comparable to Rodri, Grealish and Bernardo in that way. They were obviously known to be good players, but not in the way Haaland was. It's true that Salah wasn't called world class in that way when he came, but half a year after he arrived in Liverpool it was obvious he was. And it still is obvious. The fact that he wasn't that known before shouldn't matter when you assess whether Klopp worked with "lesser" players (or whatever you want to call it) - Salah was pretty much world class from the moment he arrived. Great recruitment, yes, but miracle work? Not at all.
It's true that Klopp's performances in Europe were great in Liverpool, but it's absolutely one hundred percent so that his achievements in the Premier League gets bigged up exactly because they were up against such a great league team (and mind, it's not wrong, it's just is what it is). Nobody would have mentioned him getting within one point of the title had it been 80 points seasons and the winner was 81 points.
I agree that Klopp probably deserves more credit than what he gets (especially on this forum) but that doesn't mean that Pep shouldn't get credit. It's not one or the other, they're both incredible.
Last edited:
They would, no one mentions the points totals (at least no one with a brain) because they're irrelevant. You can even argue the lower points total means a more competitive league and therefore a better 'win'. The only relevant piece of information is you missed out by x amount of points, the PL trophy doesn't care and every season exists in isolation.
Yeah I don't see it. I am very much a believer in seeing someone do it in different scenarios, Pep is terrified of taking an ok team without a big budget - fair enough as he cares a lot about legacy but then he's never achieved (or given himself the chance to achieve) what I would consider the truly legendary achievements that other managers have done with weaker squads. What else is management about really? It's about who can elevate their group of players to the highest level, if you have the best group of players but you keep getting outwitted by managers in cups, often because of strange tactical decisions, and it looks like the whole thing is build on flaunting the rules it's hardly that impressive. For me at least.
Dramatique Pep
I don't agree at all. If you don't see why it's uniquely special not to win the league with 97 points, then there's no reason to discuss this particular thing.
Yeah, sure, but there is no reason for Pep not to work for the biggest clubs where he has the best conditions for winning the most trophies. There might be someday if he declines and starts getting the boot at clubs, but as of now there is no need for him.
For me, one of the key aspects of being a top top coach is being able to keep winning over and over and over again. That's what sets Sir Alex apart from other managers the past 35 years. He won and won and won and won, and then he won a little bit more. Ferguson had the best team in the league more often than not whilst he was winning in the Premier League, but that doesn't matter because it's very few managers ever that managed to keep winning with the same players over and over and over again. That's what makes the Pep's and City's four-peat so impressive - it's incredibly hard to win over and over again like that with the same players. It's never been done in England before, and my huch is that it's going to take a long time before it happens again. It's a different kind of achievement from winning a big trophy with a smaller team (or winning over said team with a slimmer budget), but it's still a massive achievement. You can realistically say that anyone could win a title with Manchester City squad of 2022 (just as anyone could have won a title with the 2008 United team), but you can't realistically say that anyone could win 7 in 9 or 6 in 7 or whatever.
This is also why I can't place someone like Ancelotti over SAF or Pep, despite handing them their asses in the biggest competition in football, because he never once did defend a big trophy.
I think it's that he doesn't WANT to acknowledge it as unique, rather than that he actually doesn't. It's a quite ridiculous statistic, and one we could easily go another 50 years without repeating.
I think it shows a weak league. Leicester win, then in a short amount of time you get Conte, Klopp, Pep all hitting points records or close to. This year has been called boring but it’s been far more competitive - it’s been a much better/harder league to win in my opinion.
All depends on their personality. We offered Klopp a job and way more money but the harder seat was more appealing. Plus Woodward is a clown. Some managers care more about the challenge and being the person to do what we need now - to return a fallen giant to the top.
Yh I just dont agree at all. SAF really enters godly heights for his Aberdeen work coupled with United. United the most impressive thing wasn’t just winning when we were good, it was building us back up. If SAF had joined and we’d won the league like a season or two before and then done exactly what he’d done, it would be hella impressive (much more impressive as we didn’t cheat) but it wouldn’t be close to what he actually did.
Pep's that patrician who refuses to engage with anyone ranked less than an Quaestor.
I mean, this was the year when the Champions League had a fully English final, England had an additional two teams in the quaters and might have had three teams in the semis if City didn't go against Tottenham in the quaters. It was also a fully English final in the Europa League. I'd say it was a strong league with two teriffic teams just being that much better over 38 fixtures than every other team.
Or maybe he chose Liverpool because the United job is bigger and has more pressure?
The thing though is that his performance at Manchester United is singular, has never been repeated by any other manager at any other club in any (competetive) league. He did brilliant at Aberdeen, but the 80s were filled with smaller teams winning european trophies and such. Dundee won the Scottish league while Ferguson was at Aberdeen, so it wasn't only he who won a title over Rangers/Celtic. It's great achievements, but not singular achievements.
This is not a great argument, you get that right? I don't get why people still say this stuff after it's been discussed to death. A league is 20 teams, if you have 3-4 elite teams and the rest are average it's a relatively uncompetitive league i.e. La Liga. I guess now you can look across the CL, EL and ECL which includes many more teams and get a better sense for the top half of a league but really you need to full picture.
Yh sure, maybe re klopp's motivations. But most managers tend to go for where they'll get the most money quickly.
Re SAF, yes but he was the first, other managers also later won with Aberdeen but he was the one broke the 15 year hold. Probably why Alonso is so hyped, as obviously Klopp did what he did, as did Magath, but since then it's been almost as long with BAyern winning year after year.
It's served him well at City having a smallish squad but this season losing Rodri has shown it's a risk.
Anyway hope he fecks off soon.
It might not be a great argument, but it's certainly a better argument than just equating high point total with weak league because of high point total.
I'm not sure what your point is here. The reason I think his time at Manchester United sets him apart is because no other manager has done what he did for such an extended period of time.
I'd be willing to guess that the reason Alonso is so hyped is the manner in how they won the league, absolutely crushing the competition. Bayern wasn't even in second place either, and should have lost the title already the year before but Dortmund choked on the last fixture.
Not really, stands to reason the tighter the points spread the more competitive the league. Someone did this a while back using stdev, you can agree with it or not but it had much more rationale than 'look English team in the Cl = English league good'.
It's vastly different saying that higher points total shows a less competetive league and saying it shows a weak league. I could agree about the first (at least if it's one team running away with it like this year), but it does not equate a weak league.
Last edited: