Didn't they get absolutely smashed last season by Madrid? Or am I just imagining that?
Pep Guardiola
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Extremely overrated coach.
Win with best player in history in his prime? Along with Iniesta, Xavi, Eto'o?
Win with best player in history in his prime? Along with Iniesta, Xavi, Eto'o?
He needs to learn to kill the games, to play according to the situation. Sometimes is good to betray the ideas and style.
I thought they had similar problems to us- good possession play but absolutely no players who could pose a threat with their individual skills. They didn’t look like scoring a goal at all.
The best coaches do this. Either his arrogance or inability prevents him from doing this.
Difference is their most threatening players are injured.
It's the manner they went out, and how their players play their game.
Ffs he had Robben, Ribery and Alaba all out injured and all 3 of them are key players for his system, Robben is also arguably the 3rd best player on the planet so they were always going to struggle today against a front 3 of Messi, Suarez and Neymar.
Problem with Pep is that he changed the style of a team that were by far the best team in Europe only to basically get raped on live tv 2 years in a row now. You could argue that it's Pep's style and it's the fault of the club in knowing what he would bring, but the point still stands.
That side were only reaching their peak, what they had is extremely hard to replicate and you have to be sure of the direction you're taking because you will never get that team back.
It's hard to argue that they're anywhere near what they were before Guardiola took over. That is what he should be judged on. Plus turning the best fullback of his generation into a midfielder.
That side were only reaching their peak, what they had is extremely hard to replicate and you have to be sure of the direction you're taking because you will never get that team back.
It's hard to argue that they're anywhere near what they were before Guardiola took over. That is what he should be judged on. Plus turning the best fullback of his generation into a midfielder.
I can understand you need a lot of luck to win this competition. But you know tht Bayern squad should not be getting spanked 7-0 by both teams. The Bayern squad is definitely on par to the Madrid and the Barca squad. And Pep's tactics were completely wrong both seasons. To play so open vs them is suicidal. I don't know what has Pep achieved in his 2 seasons there.
Till the 70th minute mark they were getting a result they wanted. They did well in the beginning of the second half. Messi killed them. It happens.
2 major defeats in a row during semi finals. He has not delivered in moments like these and i have heard from several Bayern fans that they are immens disappointed in his tactics, which created a 'boring' ball possession game in stead of the more direct football they enjoyed under heynckes. A manager of the calibre Pep should not be outclassed tactically during these late phases of international football and i wonder how many fans will realize that they went from European/national giants to national giants. Surely not the kind of development the suits and ties at Bayern visioned.
Yeah, obviously. My point is tactics can only take you that far, you can’t compete if you don’t have those special players.
Doesn't them out being injured show that Pep had to go even more defensive and just contain. Moyes played vs Bayern so much better than what Pep has done these last 2 seasons. There are no injury excuses for losing 3-0 or 7-0. All you need to do is park the bus.
No system is perfect. Every style has its own advantages and disadvantages. Obviously Pep prefers his own style no matter what. You live by the sword you die by the sword.
guardiola sand castle is falling apart and most people are now realising that he is nothing special.
Took the treble winners and turned them into semi final strugglers and that too in an embarrassing manner. To top it all off he has proven to be a c**t of a person as well. Great going.
Took the treble winners and turned them into semi final strugglers and that too in an embarrassing manner. To top it all off he has proven to be a c**t of a person as well. Great going.
He's obviously a good manager. The idea that Barca won all those trophies just because of the players is silly. Especially when the same people will use him losing to those same all conquering players today as proof of their claims.
That said, Barca were always going to be an incredible team and he didn't build it by himself. His job so far at Bayern has been hard to measure. They will win the league but that means nothing to them given the competition. Being hammered last year by the champions his first season there, after the players had won a CL and surely would've lacked that extra motivation and desperation to win that Real would've had, isn't a disgrace. He was missing arguably his 2 best players today and was playing away to a team featuring the best player I've ever seen.
The 2nd leg may not affect the tie but the board at Bayern will be watching and it might affect what they plan to do with him.
That said, Barca were always going to be an incredible team and he didn't build it by himself. His job so far at Bayern has been hard to measure. They will win the league but that means nothing to them given the competition. Being hammered last year by the champions his first season there, after the players had won a CL and surely would've lacked that extra motivation and desperation to win that Real would've had, isn't a disgrace. He was missing arguably his 2 best players today and was playing away to a team featuring the best player I've ever seen.
The 2nd leg may not affect the tie but the board at Bayern will be watching and it might affect what they plan to do with him.
1 win in 7 semi final games..
I would rename it the 'suicide' tactic not the Pep tactic, by playing such a high line of defense when you are against the likes of Messi and Neymar.
They had 0 shot on target, and was always on the verge of getting hammered. Even Porto scored 3 against them.
I just don't think their players suit to Pep's style.
With Ribery and Robben are injury prone, it will be interesting to see who he will bring in this summer, and where he puts his priority. Imho, I don't see him taking Bayern anywhere in Europe with this approach.
Guardiola is nothing special but he took a Barcelona team that had not won anything in 2 years and won 14 of 19 possible titles in the next 4 seasons. Since he left Barcelona has only won 2 titles in the last two years. Ok.
Meh, Bayern were doing fine considering Messi-Neymar-Suarez are playing unbelievable at the moment, until Messi scored two in quick succession which truly deflated them.
They missed quite a few chances before that tbh
Any tactic that doesn't work can be labelled suicidal. Doesn't have to be highline. And based on this season's CL many supposed world class managers played suicidal tactics.
Yeah but they were always going to get chances. I'm not saying Bayern played great but they were beaten by a brilliant Messi.
Was that not also the case when he was in charge of Barcelona ? He could trust his key players to be decisive in the most important phases of the champions league. In some ways, he surely must have felt how other clubs felt when they faced a squad with such lethal players.
There aren't many managers in the world who have won trophies with limited financial resources and talents at their disposal. Simeone is perhaps the only exception.
Not per se ? At hindsight you can judge if a certain deployed tactic has been effective ( or not), but surely it doesnt help by leaving such amount of chunks behind you when faced against the likes of Messi and Neymar. It would make more sense for many clubs to have a more defensive approach when stepping on the Camp Nou pitch and deploy a 'damage control' strategy in stead of tickling the bear. Im not stating that Bayern should have had a defensive approach, but its not a coincidence that many Bayern fans faced the scenario they were faced with tonight.
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Anyone can see that, Pep isn't an idiot. He took a chance and obviously thought his team could pull it off. High line is integral to Pep's pressing tactics. I would have parked the bus, doesn't make me a better manager.
Who said he was ? Its commonly known that he likes to press and therefore deploys a high line, but the critics state that he needs to have elements of flexibility in his tactics to anticipate on such scenarios. You parking the bus would be logical if you conclude that your squad can not match the opponents quality and therefore apply a damage control strategy. Did he actually take a chance if that is the tactic he always uses ?
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Jose at Porto Fergie at Aberdeen
Obviously he must have felt that his team could go toe to toe with his tactics. He was wrong. He could have taken the safest option that 99.99 percent of others would have. He didn't and he paid for it.
Well no. This underdog playing like Stoke tactics might be appreciated at Chelsea, but not at United. If my team is going out anyway then I want them to at least do so by playing football and not by embarrassing our club by being cowards. In the end we still went out easily against Bayern by using Moyes' tactics.
And parking the bus successfully has only worked out for Chelsea in 2012, however it didn't in 2005, 2007, 2014 or 2015. So Mourinho - a specialist at bus parking - wasn't even successful with that tactic against far less attacking minded teams such as Atletico or 10 men PSG - but Guardiola whose team isn't even coached to park the bus should still do it against much much better attack than the teams' Mourinho failed against?
If that makes Guardiola overrated, then what do this and last year's semi finals make Mourinho? Guardiola at least went out against a RM which went on to win the CL and against a Barca which is on course to win the treble.
Guardiola sure could use a bit of Mourinho's tactics at times, but in the very same way Mourinho could sure use some of Guardiola's tactics at times, or Ancelotti's, or SAF's. But it's still Guardiola who is questioned after a poor result in Europe, but not Mourinho.
I should have been clear, i meant against teams with superior financial resources and talents. Most top class managers have top quality talents and financial resources to back them up with and they are usually playing against teams with inferior resources most of the time. In my lifetime as a football fan i have seen only Simeone go up against bigger teams and win trophies at that level. Count in Benitez as well actually, sorry had to put him in.
Probably his arrogance, I think that he is very hard working man and surely had prepared the game. 0-0 in the second half, they had the final in the pocket
People acting like reaching a European semi final is a disaster. Theres no disgrace in losing to Real Madrid or Barcelona, anyone could have been in charge of Bayern tonight and nobody could have done feck all to stop Messi.
Expected more from him and Bayern tonight considering he must know this Barca team better than anyone. Shows what happens when you take Messi out his team. Must be under pressure now and has a lot to prove still.
I wouldnt be to critical of him tonight, "OK" he opened with a bit of a crazy tactic but soon changed it, he was doing fine up until the 70+ minute mark, you could even see them coming out with a credible 0-0 to take back at that point, just got dicked by Messi, no shame in that.
Losing due to the existence of Messi is now his fault? People here just like to blame him so they can say he's overrated or whatever other nonsense.