Look im not arguing that pep didn't contribute significantly but Rijkaard was clearly holding you back, the team was talented enough to be the best side in the world, it had just run its course under him, but you were still the better side against us over two legs, then you had iniesta and xavi who were performing at that kind of level in the Euros, and then Messi becoming beyond world class which would have happened with or without him. In terms of his signings some were great like Alves and pique, and he brought through Pedro and busquets, which was ballsy, but he still inherited them. The bulk of that side was at barcelona when he joined.
Pep Guardiola's next managerial job?
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Sure, Guardiola inherited some amazing players at Barcelona but he took them to another level. At City he also inherited an amazing squad but also spent more than anybody else. It'd be nice to see him challenging in a team at a level playing field, like Serie A, but I guess why would you push yourself when you don't need to?
His next job will be wherever he wants, though it'd be wise for him to take a break after City.
His next job will be wherever he wants, though it'd be wise for him to take a break after City.
Hopefully a ban from football if he has been taking under the table payments. The same goes for their players too. So much is made about the alleged financial crimes of City but if the manager and players were knowingly gaining from these things then they all deserve lengthy bans.
Managing prison FC. He already knows Dani Alves.
In all seriousness, PSG or international football.
In all seriousness, PSG or international football.
Yes he inherited an incredible team at Barca and made them better, but he also inherited an incredible team at bayern and made them worse. So it's fair to ask at Barca how much of the improvement was down to Messi, how much had Rijkaard been holding them back, and another manager who was capable wouldn't have gotten similar results to pep had they replaced him. It's impossible to say, but it's fair to say he's always had much better players than other sides in the league, and once that stopped being true in 2012 and Madrid were genuinely on a level footing, he left
Without Pep Guardiola, Busquets and Pedro would have stayed in Segunda. The reason they slotted into Pep's system was because they had one whole year training under Pep when he took over Barcelona B. They were not some great youth systems talents that were coming through. If I remember correctly, Busquets himself admitted he wouldn't have made it at top level without Pep Guardiola. As for Messi, you can say he would have been world class without Pep, perhaps, but he would be nowhere near the level he played at. Once again, all you need to do is look at his past before and after Pep. Before Pep Guardiola came and basically coerced him to change his diet, Messi was injured regularly and could literally not play a full season uninjured. He was always having muscular issues.
Guess the player that had the same issue, Aguero. And look what happened to his career. Aguero had to get advice from Messi because of how bad his injury problems became, but unfortunately for him, it came far too late in his career. That is a direct result of Pep. The numbers you saw would most likely never have happened. Xavi was going to leave without Pep as well. Xavi even said that he was off till Pep Guardiola convinced him to stay.
So throw all that together, and add to the fact that Pep Guardiola was the main reason that the way football was viewed by the general public changed after 2008.
Come off it. Messi is a once in generation type of talent, you can't be that good and also potentially not make it. The lack of injuries could just be down to his finally reaching maturity having had growth hormone deficiencies growing up. Or maybe it was pep appointing doctors who were deeply involved in doping, having himself been suspended for doping as a player. I guess we don't know. But xavi and iniesta were performing at a world class level under aragones for spain before pep took over Barca, Messi was coming through. I will give pep credit Alves was a brilliant signing, there wasn't another full back in the world that could have done the job he did, and he did take a risk bringing through busquests and Pedro, though given the level busquets was at in 08-09 already, its pretty clear he was going to make it, maybe pep's coaching in the reserves made a big difference, sure but we're talking about the team he got in 08-09 and clearly at that point busquets was already a hell of a player, but he still took a risk and should be credited.
Doesn't mean he didn't inherit one of the most talented groups of players ever assembled
They actually got relegated last month or so
No monies in the Chinese league anymoreMessi was always seen as potentially world class but the change in conversation from that to 'he definitely is world class right now and also possibly the best player ever' accelerated very quickly in autumn 2008.
You can see that start on the Caf here, as well as a brave, doomed attempt to nip the Messi/Ronaldo debate in the bud early:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lionel-messi.225097/
You can see that start on the Caf here, as well as a brave, doomed attempt to nip the Messi/Ronaldo debate in the bud early:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lionel-messi.225097/
Has to be somewhere with money to spend. His style of management and profile of player he needs for his system simply wouldn’t work at 99% of clubs without money to back him.
Let him come and put the cones out for Haggy.
It was more him actually staying fit though rather than improving. Even since he played Chelsea a few years prior he was incredibly highly regarded, and I think had a small knock in the old Trafford game in 07/08 but was still great. Maybe pep had something to do with his fitness (or Fuentes did
), but maybe it was just his body finally maturing given his struggles physically while growing up, but it was always hit fitness that was the concern. He did come 3rd in the ballon dor before pep was managerUnited post SAF were too difficult a proposition for him. Great coach but he doesn’t half pick his battles.
I personally think he’s been waiting to come back to you guys for a while but (in line with the above) he’ll only do that when finances are all in order.
No we don’t. Please tell us.
Yeah I genuinely don't get that either, is pep such a big fan of Abu Dhabi he'll refuse to work for another middle Eastern state or something
I actually do feel for Pep quite a bit. I'd genuinely wager he trusted the club acted in good faith, and you can't deny that what he has done with City has changed English football (regardless of how it was done).
His reputation is really on the line here, and to think that all of the work he has done over the past 6 years or so could be tainted forever must be sickening for him.
I'm just trying to look at it from his POV if I was in his shoes and he had no knowledge of what was going on. I'd take a long hiatus from football and maybe come back into a NT setup.
His reputation is really on the line here, and to think that all of the work he has done over the past 6 years or so could be tainted forever must be sickening for him.
I'm just trying to look at it from his POV if I was in his shoes and he had no knowledge of what was going on. I'd take a long hiatus from football and maybe come back into a NT setup.
Brazil makes sense to me or Spain if there isn't some drama going on between him and their fa behind the scenes.
Psg would be a bad move in my opinion if he fails to win the CL because opposite to the prem winning the league doesn't count for much over there and besides winning a international terophy specially if it's golden and has a massive ball shaped figure up top will do wonders for his reputation.
Psg would be a bad move in my opinion if he fails to win the CL because opposite to the prem winning the league doesn't count for much over there and besides winning a international terophy specially if it's golden and has a massive ball shaped figure up top will do wonders for his reputation.
I've just expkained to you why no one anticipated barcelona becoming so good. Because Messi had been constantly injured and we hadn't seen his full potential, the team was obviously still very strong and anyone who watched the 07/08 semi finals will remember us being pinned back all game. Just because people didn't predict how good barcelona would become doesn't mean that was all pep's doing.
When Zidane took over from benitez real were struggling and probably no one guessed they'd win 3 champions leagues in a row, but that doesn't mean the players weren't absolutely qualityy
An easy job where his team are favourites to win the league every year. Following the pattern of Barcelona, Bayern and City.
Maybe back to Bayern. Maybe PSG
He doesn’t have the balls for a genuine challenge
Maybe back to Bayern. Maybe PSG
He doesn’t have the balls for a genuine challenge
2nd fav to leave the prem.
So what you're saying is ..... he did inherit a brilliant, but dysfunctional team.
Not sure why you acted like people said he did no coaching.
He may be tempted by the psg job. Be the first one to try and win the CL with them.
Same could be said about City.
That went well for him at Bayern and City
Money launderer in Ozark
Yes, this is exactly what i am saying. Pep Guardiola is a very loyal man. He will not join the club owned by the enemies of his current owners. He will also not join another english club, so no chance for Newcastle, sorry. His options are Italy, international football or return to Barca. My guess is first Italy and then international football. The return to Barca will be at the end of his carrer.Yeah I genuinely don't get that either, is pep such a big fan of Abu Dhabi he'll refuse to work for another middle Eastern state or something
He basically just said yesterday if they're guilty he isn't friends with them anymore, he threw them under the bus basically
He knows deep down City are guilty.
He basically just said yesterday if they're guilty he isn't friends with them anymore, he threw them under the bus basically
Im betting he is already planning his exit as unlike City, he has a reputation he needs to maintain. He must be furious that City have dirtied his reputation. he has spent more time at City than he did at Bayern or Barcelona, and his legacy in England is now in tatters
PSG will do everything they could to bring him in to work with Messi again.
He made the Barca side though, nobody thought Barca was by far best team in the world before he arrived, even with Messi being there, Barca still lost the league to Real by a lot.
Btw Mbappe and Kvaratskhelia are considered generation talents way more than Xavi and Iniesta did before Pep went to Barca, even after they won the Euro 2008 with Spain.
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Kvaratskhelia who ? Napoli player ?
I see him going to a club in Italy and then either Spanish national team or Barca again.
If he doesn't win the CL with Man City, I think there'll always be question marks over his place amongst the greats.
If he doesn't win the CL with Man City, I think there'll always be question marks over his place amongst the greats.
I find it interesting when people make statements like this, as if they know him personally and he's confided his plans to them.
Also UAE and Qatar are not enemies.
Not sure what he'd have to be furious about. He's not a stupid man.
If I decide to work for BP, I can't be surprised when it comes out that they pollute the planet or be upset that people think I've taken that job purely for the money. It's fine to do so....but he's got nothing to be furious about imo.
How many CLs has pep won post messi?
City would have assured him they are clean.
But after this? Its so obvious City are guilty of malfeasance and systematic cheating.
How will pep look opposition managers in the eye pre match when it an open secret he is on the cheat & rig?
Rival fans need to pelt him with fruit.
Nahhh..The $ football era is over in China. Guangzhou FC has been relegated from the CSL due to the financial distress of Evergrande Group.
That statement was from may 2022. He will have no comment if asked at a press conference now. I think he benefits the same way Manicini did based on the way he reacted in that statement in 2022.
He basically just said yesterday if they're guilty he isn't friends with them anymore, he threw them under the bus basically
A break from management