Liverpool's squad was even worse when Klopp joined them.
Per Simon Stone: Our net spent is more than other European club in the last three years
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
And the contract extensions to many average players haven't helped.
Its only take one fecking tweet to explode the fan base, well done guys.
First bit in bold - in an ideal world we would be winning the moral cup every year but football is cyclical - united played a blinder with the formation of the Premier league and we completely dominated it but at the same time the likes of City, Liverpool, cockney teams, Newcastle etc had and still have massive support. We are just an ordinary team from Newton heath that did it right for a long time. That doesn't give us the right to turn our noses up at the clubs around us, who are identical at the core.
It genuinely puzzles me to hear united fans moan about the oil clubs spending a little bit less than ourselves. We have spent an outrageous amount of money for a good 20 years now.
Ac Milan are the biggest team in Italy in my opinion but they are a shadow of what they once where. I'd love to see them win serie A.
For the second bolded part...
Can you give an example of them doing that and showing that we can't?
We just spent £73 million on sancho which is more than city have paid for any player in their history.
Maguire, Lukaku, pogba (literally broke the world transfer fee) again all more than city have spent on a single player. They spent alot on de bruyne and countless other nut so have we. Awb, Fred, martial, vdb weren't exactly peanuts.
United have the money. It can be seen in our wage bill, specifically the gks, alone. It can be seen in us signing who we have over the past 5 years.
Hahahahahaha
Not 100% sure about that, besides I counted his spendings in 2017/18 and 2018/19 (he joined them in October 2015).
Kloop took them to 2pl in his fourth season, and it obviously coheres with high spending (season 2017/18 and 18/19).
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I m not saying he will be sacked but he wont be backed as he has already being backed in 2019, 2020 and -if we buy Varane- in 2021 too.
New contract until 2024.
Eat that, Ole out brigade. The club owners clearly like what he's doing.
Eat that, Ole out brigade. The club owners clearly like what he's doing.
Given what a bunch of incompetent feckwits they are, this should actually be a warning sign.
No way. The players who've left the club are pure dross, aside Lukaku and Romero.
The club was ran into the ground by managers stomping their feet and demanding players or simply clueless managers.
We brought players like Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Schwenschteiger, Falcao, Martial, Pogba, Rojo, Darmian, Bailly, Lindelof, Blind, Sanchez, Dalot - you can't deem any of those transfers successful and aside from one or two, the majority of players we brought a pure dross. Dross with a capital D. Simply because we were asking 'How high' when newly appointed managers asked us to jump.
It's clear that the club has taken a different direction and approach with transfers since the appointment of Ole. We could argue Maguire is not worth the price we paid - but he was the best available option at a time we had Smalling, Jones, Rojo and Bailly as our CB options. And the curious case of VDB - but let's give him this season to see if there's a good player in him.
This is where he earns my respect, he cleared some dross and brought in very good players.
I really wish board supported him more last summer as i dont think Telles/VDB really improved us. Thanks god Cavani compensated our last summer mistakes.
Out of all windows since 2013, this summer looks more promissing. so hopefully we can bring in few more quality players like Varane / Goretzka and then we will have a tittle winning team.
Hope we can move out Jesse/Martial/Matic/Perrera/Dalot/Baily/Jones to keep up the good work we have been doing recently.
i dont really give a rats arse about the net spend league.
Given the progress under Ole so far imo we actually don't need that big of investment in the next seasons anyway if we manage to buy Varane and a quality DM/CM this summer. Our squad then is already pretty good with many young exciting talents. Of the first XI only a replacement for Cavani and probably another DM/CM is required I think.
But to think about City it's actually quite hard for us to compete with them. We're trying to complete our first XI while their second XI is a top 4 contender. They somehow managed to do something that even in FM is impossible. In a long gruesome season depth is essential. And it's not like they'd stop to spend. The oil money has simply ruined football.
We also pay way over the odds meaning the wage cost is offset to the transfer fee
Since the Caf likes to compare Ole with Klopp as both took over their respective clubs in bad states. Klopp in his 3rd full season had spent 388m and won the the league. Ole right now has spent 443m and counting. The least we should be expecting this season is a title challenge. People can still give excuses that our squad is not as good as Chelsea or City or Liverpool but after spending 443m it should be as good as those teams.
Even so, Klopp is the best manager in the world, even if we had another manager here instead of Ole, they would still struggle to compete against the best manager in the world and the 2nd best who has a bottomless pit of money.
What an embarrassing state our fanbase is in.
I say fanbase, it's just a number of posters on a forum acting like a 6 year old that wants a lolly.
I wonder why any of them actually bother with the club, they clearly hate everything about it.
Why else would there be all this whining before a ball has been kicked?
Crazy.
How many of these footballing geniuses could do a better job than ole has? I'd wager not a single one of them.
I say fanbase, it's just a number of posters on a forum acting like a 6 year old that wants a lolly.
I wonder why any of them actually bother with the club, they clearly hate everything about it.
Why else would there be all this whining before a ball has been kicked?
Crazy.
How many of these footballing geniuses could do a better job than ole has? I'd wager not a single one of them.
They've improved to that level? Or that is the level they were at when Ole came, and they have in fact dropped off while we've improved?
Is there a worse debate than the net spend/gross spend/wage spend?
Tbf, I think that's partly because we were buying embarrassingly shit players a few years ago.
Ah yes, fanbase have same interest and goals as them.
While I agree the defence Mou left needed sorted the numbers still don't add up. In his 2 full seasons Mou conceded 29 and 28 goals respectively. In Oles 2 full seasons we've conceded 36 and 44 goals after spending a WC fee on Maquire and an almost PL record on AWB and having a resurgent Shaw. The only thing that makes any sense is that Mourinho is better organising his teams than Ole even though Mou was a burnt out shell from the manager he was which should be a bit more than slightly worrying.
Fcuk. We're in trouble then.
Mourinho had De Gea in god mode
Fair point.
It's this, combined with a general reluctance to sell at all.
Can someone please put the “any” in the thread title. Thanks very much
We’re bad at selling our own youth products at the best possible times. Our ethos of ‘giving youth a chance’ seems to cost us in these situations, where it’s found that not only are they not as good as initially thought, they’re also on a pretty decent chunk of money because they’re at Utd, one of the richest clubs in the world… and then you’ve got a very average young player on very high wages in comparison to most other clubs and therefore they’re hard to shift since most teams would have to put them in the top earner brackets.
I think we’re too enamoured by our ethos and possibly need to be more thinking with our heads rather than our hearts. I reckon we could have made a good deal of money if we sold Macheda at the end of the 08/09 season for example, among others like McNair, Borthwick-Jackson etc, but we gave them too many chances which exposes their mediocrity and/or put them on ridiculous contracts based on a small portion of decent-to-good performances.
Not everyone in the Man Utd academy makes it to Premier League level, let alone Man Utd level. Look no further than Liverpool for the best examples of knowing exactly when to cash in. I think the best business we ever did like that was cashing in on Keith Gillespie.
I think we’re too enamoured by our ethos and possibly need to be more thinking with our heads rather than our hearts. I reckon we could have made a good deal of money if we sold Macheda at the end of the 08/09 season for example, among others like McNair, Borthwick-Jackson etc, but we gave them too many chances which exposes their mediocrity and/or put them on ridiculous contracts based on a small portion of decent-to-good performances.
Not everyone in the Man Utd academy makes it to Premier League level, let alone Man Utd level. Look no further than Liverpool for the best examples of knowing exactly when to cash in. I think the best business we ever did like that was cashing in on Keith Gillespie.
Yet you read this forum for most of the past few years and you would think we spend less than a Sunday league team.
Wonder if Stone will be quick to send an update to his Tweet now it’s +£100m for City and soon to be +£130m for Chelsea.
Absolute bollocks and propaganda from the Glazers.
Are we supposed to pat them on the back for giving out dumb contracts to mediocre and past-it players and being unwilling to take a smaller amount when selling to further the aims of the club?
I don't think so but others are more gullible, especially with all this bullshit about restructing and how supposedly we've been so much more organised this year.
Are we supposed to pat them on the back for giving out dumb contracts to mediocre and past-it players and being unwilling to take a smaller amount when selling to further the aims of the club?
I don't think so but others are more gullible, especially with all this bullshit about restructing and how supposedly we've been so much more organised this year.
What?
it was a thinly disguised swipe at the club.It was meant as a "United have outspent everyone and not achieved much" swipe at the club as a whole and the coaching department in specific. It was always disingenuous to put it partway through a transfer window when none of the other clubs had started spending yet. Yet some of our own fans fell for it.
Exactly. United got their business sorted early for a change, good business too. Could have praised that, instead chose to work out net spend for all clubs including a transfer window which hadn’t had any football played and other clubs hadn’t made any moves. It was absolute toilet journalism.
Obviously I was reacting to the title and the general idea that we've somehow become transfer gods this summer. I cannot waste my time reading these journos with their 'reasonable' takes when they just spout whatever the club orders them.What?
Seriously you post the same posts in multiple threads.
So now city had spent more it makes your original point now being a convenient excuse for Ole if he doesn't win anything. If spending is something to go by then surely you don't expect Ole to win the league ahead of City? Should have kept quiet until the transfer window closes.
I have always amazed at our fans complaining about our lack of spending. Only season I think we did not buy very good was with Moyes.
After that we have been good at spending. Its just that we offered huge wages to everyone especially post contract renewals which affected how fast we could sell.
Any player coming to United is like a newly purchased car. You know it would depreciate atleast 10% next day after purchase.
We could not even sell the player who won the world cup and we could not renew his contract either.
I cant think of any player in recent years on whom we made a profit. Even Chicharito whom everyone adored barely made break-even.How people managing united financials are not judged on this is baffling.
Also, I dont know if negativity we give to our fringe players everywhere in social media is affecting how other teams perceive our players. For eg., the amount of flak we give to James is ridiculous. Is he 50 million player? No. But is he worth 20 M , well based on his potential he might be. Everyone on redcafe would be saying to buy him for 20 M if he is on different team just for his pace.
City and chelsea has already won something recently and I will not be surprised after their spending, they win something this season again. We have spent the same as any top European club, yet we haven’t won anything yet. Which is why, I made this thread. Stone indicated that we are on top, at the time, which means that going into this season, with our expenditure, we must win something. We can’t continue to be there up there spending big like city, chelsea, etc and not win anything. Which is why this upcoming season is really important for ole and the management team.