Don't forget the Elton John one
Phil Foden - [insert title update here as he is past the "has he got potential?" point now]
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Why do you think we need a word to insult these people with? Why not just let people be?
In no way is singling out and singing about Foden’s mum anything like racism. That doesn’t even make sense…
Hating on millions purely based off their complexion Versus jokes about a fully grown woman who’s chose a path to go down… she’s made those decisions... She should own them.
How? Singling out one grown adults decisions isn’t misogynistic.
Is it misandry for singling out how Tiger Woods is a piece of shit for how unfaithful to women he is? No it isn’t.
You make it sound like match going fans are animals… Many of the fellas at the games have mothers, sisters, wives/girlfriends and daughters that they love very much. They aren’t some ‘misogynists’ based off that chant chap.
Thank god you weren’t at the Leicester, Forest, Fulham or Chelsea games where they were singing how wonderful their specific area was because it was full of ‘tits’ and ‘Fanny’. You would have been so exasperated you couldn’t have focused on the game with all that policing you’d have had to have done.
And what decisions would those be? I'm curious how you know so much about her sex life.
Shouldn't the thread title get a change? He's not a prospect anymore.
This is akin to the I have a black/gay friend argument.
It doesn't matter if you have a wife/girlfriend, daughter, mother or sister. If you're chanting Phil Foden's mother is a slut then you're partaking in misogynistic chanting.
Agreed, how is this in the headlines…
What actions that demonstrate that she is factually a slag or a slut? Presumably that is what you are claiming? That ii isn't sexism or misogyny because it is true?
Weird hill to die on and an even odder way to try to get promoted. But here we are.
Was his sex anything to do with the criticism of him cheating on the person he was married to? No. So not at all comprable.
Sounds a bit like "I can't be racist as I have a black friend" - and no, of course I'm not calling you racist.
Of course it was racist. It’s undeniably racist. I should have used the word ‘definitely’ and not ‘kinda’, but I understood at the time, when I wrote my post and now having edited it that what was said/sung about Lukaku is hideously wrong."Kinda"
It was racist, and Lukaku himself called out the sub-humans over it
Its mad how people cannot see how unpleasant and unnecessary it is. I thought our home support was better than this. and our fans more generally. Time for some of you to grow up.
That can all be true while acknowledging that it isn't headline-worthy.
Yeh it’s unpleasant and unnecessary. But this kind of stuff happens nationwide on a weekly basis in the stands. As an individual piece, this is very weak.
If you want to stamp it out, you need a broader approach.
I don't remember this outrage when all and sundry were talking about Posh Spice taking it up the arse
Will never condone singing about another person's family. But this is another example of why it's always important to behave in public. I have now seen a few videos and stories where his mother has embarrassed herself and her son.
It doesn't make it okay, but it makes it inevitable and Pep his doing him no favours by calling more attention to it.
All I read here was his mum and a BBC. Is that the story here?
I've seen the one where she backstage at a concert,.what are some of the other ones?
I don't need a link, just what happened.
Leeds fans a couple of seasons ago were singing about Mason and Ronaldo being r*pists and Scholes sucking his daughter's toes. It was hilarious to be fair.
Any pics of her?
This thread is the epitome of why your average Joe/Jane is unfortunately flocking to vote for Reform.
A playground chant getting so much coverage is insane, especially when there's so much worse out there that doesn't get any air time.
A playground chant getting so much coverage is insane, especially when there's so much worse out there that doesn't get any air time.
Where is all this "so much coverage" that people keep talking about?
I look on the BBC site main page and it's not there. I look at the BBC sports page and it's not there. You have to go to the BBC Sport football sub-section and it's the 12th story down (below Troy Deeney's team of the week)!
People are talking in this thread as of they're interrupting Coronation Street with breaking news about it.
It was the headline story yesterday, which is where people are getting it from.
Headline story where? In the football section? Pfft, something had to be and feck all else happened on Sunday!
Apologies by coverage I should've wrote discussion point. But look at the discussion it's created here alone, and I'm sure it's going on on Reddit and god forbid, the cesspool of Twitter.
But you've kind of proved the point by the fact that it's still even on the BBC sport page meriting an entire article along with the BBC leading with it on the sport section on Breakfast yesterday. How often does it happen that a chant like that get anywhere near the news?
You've mentioned about people's families being off limits which is fine, I'd cringe if fans were singing about a disabled child or family tragedy for example. Calling someone's mum a slag though is so small time and as I & others have described it, playground, especially when by all accounts she's had some 'internet moments' that people have clearly picked up on.
Going back to the Rat chant for Bruno or comparing Jonjo Shelvey to Voldemort, I can't understand how they are in any way better, in fact I'd argue it's worse because it's physical appearance rather than actions. All chants like that are designed to degrade the player from whichever angle people can get at them. So really, if we're going to get defensive about one, then we should be defensive about most of them.
He must be a fecking good player because he wouldn't be as successful or as praised as he is otherwise
But I am yet to ever see him have a good game. And I must have seen him play around 50 times now.
From what I have personally seen, Bruno Fernandes is twice the player. Probably more than twice.
But I am yet to ever see him have a good game. And I must have seen him play around 50 times now.
From what I have personally seen, Bruno Fernandes is twice the player. Probably more than twice.
Those insults are about the players, not their families. That's why they're less shitty. Also Bruno and Shelvey know what they look like, Lampard knows he was chubby, Crouch knows he's 6'7". They at least make sense!
What "actions" has Fodens mother done to merit being called a slag? I know theres a video of her being aggro at a concert but that can't be the reason fans are calling her a slag.
I'm not saying there's isn't anything, just asking what there is, because I'm genuinely not aware of it.
Surely it's good that it is getting coverage? Misogyny is rampant and in a world where we are trying to raise the profile of women's football and getting more families, women and children involved in going to football and the game, it's not just 'small time' or 'playground' but a position where people can choose to educated themselves why it's not okay and to be better. That's without acknowledging it's presence (misogyny) in society which football is part of and linked with.
Ultimately in your last point, perhaps you're right and people should shift what they chant about. It's possible to still chant, be funny and not be overly offensive. The counter to this stuff always seems to be that people want to completely ban chanting/alcohol/etc from football. No, that's not what people are saying or wanting.
For people who are defending the chant, I haven't seen anyone actually put forward something which actually makes sense for the chant being made. Her acting aggresively in a video doesn't equate to slut/slag.
Neville talks about him like he's Messi.
I'm sorry but surely you can't believe it's fine for thousands of people to shout about someone's physical appearance because "they know what they look like"
that is some take!Bruno wakes in the morning, looks in the mirror and proudly declares to himself, "My! That rat-like complexion of mine sure is looking particularly radiant this fine day. Glory, Glory Man United!".I'm sorry but surely you can't believe it's fine for thousands of people to shout about someone's physical appearance because "they know what they look like"
Will be a tough wank
I'm sorry but surely you can't believe it's fine for thousands of people to shout about someone's physical appearance because "they know what they look like"
Firstly, apology accepted
And I don't believe it's fine. If I did, I would have said "they're fine" instead of "they're less shitty".
And you didn't answer my question so I'll ask again, what "actions" has Fodens mother done to merit being called a slag? I know theres a video of her being aggro at a concert but that can't be the reason fans are calling her a slag.
Believe it or not Vidic doesn't murder people either. Football supporters have always used these kinds of chants to get into players' heads. Some players take it well (Ronaldo, Beckham etc.) and others crumble.
I'm sure you lot will get your way eventually and you'll be able to enjoy your sanitised game amongst all the hooray Henry's, in your £200 seat, clutching your Megastore bags.
I'm talking to the people who are saying "there's stuff out there about her" or that the chants are a result of her actions.
Nobody merits any of the abuse they receive by match going fans do they? Which is why I don't understand how this particular chant has become such a point of contention when as we've all pointed out, a ton of derogatory stuff is constantly chanted and its seemingly okay to be dismissive of the other stuff.
With regards to the why, you'd have to seek out those at the stadium that decided to start the chant why they used that as their angle of attack on Foden. I'm not defending them by any means, go to town on calling them a bunch of manospheric a**hats if that's genuinely what they are. But they haven't taken a random potshot at one players mum, there's something they've picked up on that has led them to targeting Foden with that chant. I'd be genuinely curious to know as well.
Personally I miss being able to throw bananas at black players. It's PC gone mad I tells ya.
Insulting a player has gone on for many decades, right or wrong it's part of the fan culture.
Insulting not the player, but a member of his family isn't something that happens very often at all, which is why Pep was asked the question and why this thread is going.
If Man United fans had sung that Foden was ugly or was shit or had a bad haircut or was a slag then nobody would've cared. That didn't happen though, they went for his family.
I didn't see Pep complaining about City fans chanting about Vardy's wife though...
Was he asked about that in a post match press conference? No. He didn't bring up the chants about Foden, he was asked and answered a question.