Phil Jones and Sergio Romero omitted from United's 25-man Premier League squad

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I don’t think it’s true at all. It’s not exactly a surprise is it, it’s 100% expected that he wasn’t to be included.
Yeah, exactly. I don't get why Romero would not have been notified of this beforehand.

The issue is unless this is proven to be discipline issue from the players part, it wouldn't look pretty for our club in future dealings for how we treat our players. Injury prone doesn't make you less professional. We have other injury prone players in the squad too. So what is the reason?
Jones has had a lengthy injury layoff as we all know, and he's had a setback that prevents him from returning until November. By then, he'd still need to gain match fitness and sharpness, so he'd have been unable to appear for us until late December at the earliest.

 
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That's a little low brow honestly if true.

I do agree that Romero hasn't been treated in a respectful manner as of late when he's done nothing but be arguably the best deputy GK in the league since he's joined without complaints.

Blocking moves for him to good clubs over the last 2 years when we've had Henderson in our long term plans the whole time is a bit disappointing and I'd fully understand if he felt aggrieved
Ole has treated Romero awfully, imagine if it was Jose doing this. Romero has been nothing but professional since he joined us.
 

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how is he going to play? We might bring him back into the PL and CL squad on Jan if we move on a couple of other players.

I assume he’s eligible for the League Cup or FA Cup, but I don’t see why we would play him at the expense of someone in the 25 man squad?

I think he’s done.

hopefully he gets fit, and can find a club in jan. he still has a good 3-4 years at a reasonable level potentially.
EFL uses PL/ league squad registration, so no he is not.

FA Cup is same, but FA Cup is for new year this time for the PL clubs, so if anyone being added into the squad then another need to make way.
 
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He's on a 3 year contract at somewhere in the region of £4-5m a year. Cant see anyone taking that kind of risk with him unless (a) we eat a significant chunk of his future earnings or (b) he plays some matches and plays okay.
I agree, no one is taking him on that contract.

someone will need to take a risk, and it depends whether he will accept a pay as you play contract from someone.

no doubt it will cost us for him to leave.

can’t see him playing ever again for us.
 

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Leaving out of the squad is always seen as punishment. So what wrong did players do? Injury prone is bad luck. If club doesn't like it why does it extend the player contract last year? Did Phil Jones in this case, choose to be injury prone after the new contract, or it's known issue?

So as a new player comes to the club, you may end up picking up injuries. Knowing this club has form about punishing player for being injury prone. You would ask for more money as insurance for your career just in case. New level of United tax.
You don't know the full story.

May be he refused to go om loan, may be he is refusing to do physio.

It makes no sense to put an injury prone player in the squad let alone Phil Jones who is always injured. You have to be Phil Jones's friend to be annoyed at his exclusion. This is not a charity.
 
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Ole has treated Romero awfully, imagine if it was Jose doing this. Romero has been nothing but professional since he joined us.
where is he physically at the moment? Is he training with the club?

clearly the club could have managed this better. But also, let’s not believe every tweet we read.
 

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Why do people always have to turn nasty for no particular reason? It’s not the players fault - they both want to leave. It’s up to the board to get them out. No need for bitterness towards the players.
I did not really intend to be nasty. But they are professional footballers paid very good regardless.

We only know one side of the story and I feel this is just another reason to bash our management without knowing the facts. Ole has surely made Romero’s and Jones position perfectly clear.

I don’t think the above opinion is nasty or mean at all.
 

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he’s been at United for over 9 years, we have too many players. Someone has to be left out and in terms of numbers (not quality), we are stacked at CB.

Do you really think a player coming in looks at this situation and says “I’m not going to sign, because if I’m injured after being at the club 9 years, I might get left out”.

it’s not a punishment, we have too many players.

I don’t know whether you are overthinking this, but it’s not a good point.
Squad management is the club and manager responsibility.

That's exactly the issue here: Why you have more players than you can register? You can't even send them on loan. That's stupid excuse for any professional level sport club.

We're stacked at CB and others are pretty injury prone too. Bailly, Tuanzebe, TFM, Rojo all missing huge chunk out of last few years due to injuries.

You must be joking if you think club can sign any amount of players then not registering them for playing competitions games are normal.
 

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Ole has treated Romero awfully, imagine if it was Jose doing this. Romero has been nothing but professional since he joined us.
Yep. Not just him, club in general fecked up this. Sure, he is an asset and this is business but if you reward players in form with new contracts then you can reward some players with letting him leave.
 

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You don't know the full story.

May be he refused to go om loan, may be he is refusing to do physio.

It makes no sense to put an injury prone player in the squad let alone Phil Jones who is always injured. You have to be Phil Jones's friend to be annoyed at his exclusion. This is not a charity.
Let's not make assumption, then go ahead make assumption on another poster... Great logic.

Did Jones become injury prone just this season? How many did Bailly, Tuanzebe, Jones, TFM play last season? Are we consistent with the decision on injury prone players, or it's full of excuse?

Club would need to explain to the public. If not, it welcomes assumption from the outsiders, and everyone have the right to do so.
 
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Squad management is the club and manager responsibility.

That's exactly the issue here: Why you have more players than you can register? You can't even send them on loan. That's stupid excuse for any professional level sport club.

We're stacked at CB and others are pretty injury prone too. Bailly, Tuanzebe, TFM, Rojo all missing huge chunk out of last few years due to injuries.

You must be joking if you think club can sign any amount of players then not registering them for playing competitions games are normal.
and Rojo was also left out of the CL squad.

I’m sure we wanted to sell Jones this summer, but who is going to take him?

we’ve been trying to sell Rojo for 5 years.

take a look at the number of transfers that have happened this year. Transfer values are massively down throughout Europe, it’s been incredibly difficult to sell anyone. All clubs have struggled.

your point that anyone is going to look at this situation and not sign because of this is beyond ridiculous.
 

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I don’t blame Ole for Romero’s position. I’m sure they talked about it when we clarified Henderson was returning to compete with DDG.

I do have an issue with the club getting greedy and pricing him out of a move. He’s served united well, give him a free and wish him good luck.

I suspect the plan for jones will be to sell in January so he’s out till sometime in November, December to get fit then go.
OR spaces in the squad will free up in January and he gets back in
 

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The Romero omission is even stranger after seeing Chelsea name Petr fecking Cech as their emergency GK in the final PL squad announcement :lol:
 

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Yeah, exactly. I don't get why Romero would not have been notified of this beforehand.


Jones has had a lengthy injury layoff as we all know, and he's had a setback that prevents him from returning until November. By then, he'd still need to gain match fitness and sharpness, so he'd have been unable to appear for us until late December at the earliest.

Thanks for the info. Still the whole regaining match fitness and sharpness is not a set thing that justifies not registering him in case he has a speedy recovery, ready to be back, but not eligible to play.
 

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We got him on a free and were looking for £8m to let him go in the summer. Realistically we should have taken the £2m Everton offered for a
loan because we will probably have to release him for a nominal fee at best now.
Yes, maybe. But I´m not convinced we know the full story, and the numbers might not be right either. I think it´s United´s right not to sell if the price is not right. That´s not any difference from any other club. We´ve seen many examples of clubs playing hardball in this window, and there are several players in other clubs who are still with their club for the same reason.
 

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It might not be the best way of doing things but its not some travesty like his wife seems to claim either. United and LvG gave him a chance when he was out of contract at AZ and brought him to England.

Moreover its no more than 2 months to the winter transfer window and he can carry some practice cones until then to justify his salary.
I agree. Probably could have been handled better but mean it’s not like we’ve refused to pay him! He was a back up keeper and even without Henderson he wouldn’t have expected to play more than a handful of games since we’re not in Europa League.

He’ll leave in 2 months. Not the end of the world.
 

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I know we're being realistic there but still feel for Romero. He has literally never let us down.
I think the treatment of Romero has been a bad joke, but an hilarious joke is that United want £20M for Calamity Jones....:lol::lol::lol:
 

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Yes, maybe. But I´m not convinced we know the full story, and the numbers might not be right either. I think it´s United´s right not to sell if the price is not right. That´s not any difference from any other club. We´ve seen many examples of clubs playing hardball in this window, and there are several players in other clubs who are still with their club for the same reason.
Yeah but come on, he’s 3rd choice, not going to play and wants away. We could have taken anything for him. I get that United are trying to create a new personna of being tough in the transfer market now but we should retain some sense of logic. Now we’re paying him to do nothing and he’s unhappy. It’s not good for either party.
 

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The one problem I have with the handling of Romero is - if Henderson does drop De Gea will de gea be happy being 2nd choice?
 

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and Rojo was also left out of the CL squad.

I’m sure we wanted to sell Jones this summer, but who is going to take him?

we’ve been trying to sell Rojo for 5 years.

take a look at the number of transfers that have happened this year. Transfer values are massively down throughout Europe, it’s been incredibly difficult to sell anyone. All clubs have struggled.

your point that anyone is going to look at this situation and not sign because of this is beyond ridiculous.

My point is United tax in transfer fee and wage. People criticize players being greedy when it comes to us. The thing is our management open for this type of reaping what you sowing behaviour.

Did you forget Rojo got contract extension, when his last contract was about to expire? Similar to Jones. Rojo was about to leave but since our valuation is so unrealistic his transfer collapsed? It's not about agreeing fee, but trying to milk it by extending contract just to be back fired
 

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So we were demanding 8 mil. for a 33 years old GK who we did not even plan to inlcude in our list..This is just incompetence.
33 is definitely not old for a keeper and 8 mil wouldn’t buy you any other keeper of Romero’s pedigree so I think that price represents value. Just cos he’s not in our plans doesn’t mean he’s not a valuable asset, especially from the perspective of the buying club.
 

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Let's not make assumption, then go ahead make assumption on another poster... Great logic.

Did Jones become injury prone just this season? How many did Bailly, Tuanzebe, Jones, TFM play last season? Are we consistent with the decision on injury prone players, or it's full of excuse?

Club would need to explain to the public. If not, it welcomes assumption from the outsiders, and everyone have the right to do so.
Mate people are worried about losing their own jobs.

Do you think people are interested in knowing why a millionaire who is stil getting paid millions is not in the squad?

I would like to be in that position.

Get real man.
 

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Mate people are worried about losing their own jobs.

Do you think people are interested in knowing why a millionaire who is stil getting paid millions is not in the squad?

I would like to be in that position.

Get real man.
Yes. People are interested in why clubs can waste money in this financial climate for being incompetent.

Not interested, then why on here posting?

:rolleyes:
 

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Yes. People are interested in why clubs can waste money in this financial climate for being incompetent.

Not interested, then why on here posting?

:rolleyes:
Email Woodward then.

You seem like you are missing Phi Jones.

Am not missing him. The sooner he is out the better.
 

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He's gone AWOL because Ole has phased him out. No respect for probably the best no 2 keeper in uniteds history.

Im very disappointed at this. At least he could have been sent out on loan or sold.

It reminds me of when Bastian was phased out and told he had no future and then worked his way back into the team. I dont see this happening for Romero.

True or not, i dont like how hes been treated. Quite embarrassing actually as a united fan.
If he's gone AWOL because he's been phased out that's equally pathetic on his part as it is ours. Henderson's been here all summer, he knew full well his time in the team was over and he probably had his pick of clubs who'd take him on loan, instead he waited till the last few days to try force through a move to Everton so apologies if I suspend my sympathies. We were willing to let him leave or go out on loan, just not to a PL rival which he'll have been well aware of.

Romero was a solid number two but people are going way over the top about this. Like I said, if he wanted to be told in person that he's not making the CL squad then he shouldn't have gone AWOL, it's completely unprofessional. If he hadn't have gone AWOL he would've made the squad.
 

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Yeah but come on, he’s 3rd choice, not going to play and wants away. We could have taken anything for him. I get that United are trying to create a new personna of being tough in the transfer market now but we should retain some sense of logic. Now we’re paying him to do nothing and he’s unhappy. It’s not good for either party.
The transfer window for MSL closes Oct. 29. He could still leave. No?
 

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Email Woodward then.

You seem like you are missing Phi Jones.

Am not missing him. The sooner he is out the better.
Dear Mr Assumption,

Jones is not out any time soon. He has 3 years in his contract.

Here is the forum for discussion. You don't want to discuss here why bother? Why telling other what to do with their time outside foruming?
 

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What's insane about Romero is that he was actually bid for and we rejected it? What the feck are we playing at?
 

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The transfer window for MSL closes Oct. 29. He could still leave. No?
Not every player want to go to MLS, especially for those who still gets offer from top flight European leagues.
 

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Dear Mr Assumption,

Jones is not out any time soon. He has 3 years in his contract.

Here is the forum for discussion. You don't want to discuss here why bother? Why telling other what to do with their time outside foruming?
Phil switch on your TV the game is on.

Make sure you turn up at Carrington tomorrow.
 

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Thanks for the info. Still the whole regaining match fitness and sharpness is not a set thing that justifies not registering him in case he has a speedy recovery, ready to be back, but not eligible to play.
For a player who has had so many injuries over the years, a speedy recovery might not be possible or even wise. By November, we'd expect to see him training with the team. After that, we can't expect him to be available after a couple of weeks. I'm guessing that the football team are trying to make sure that he fully recovers and is fit enough to continue playing football consistently, so taking the slow and steady approach makes sense.
 

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I feel bad for both tbh.
Romero for obvious reasons, he's been great for us.
I hope I'm wrong but i think Phil Jones will probably retire shortly after he leaves us. Which is pretty sad for a 28 year old. Leaving aside that he was pretty outstanding for a young defender he just looks like he'll not be in especially good condition as an older person. I kind of get why people give him grief but I think its misplaced.
 

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For a player who has had so many injuries over the years, a speedy recovery might not be possible or even wise. By November, we'd expect to see him training with the team. After that, we can't expect him to be available after a couple of weeks. I'm guessing that the football team are trying to make sure that he fully recovers and is fit enough to continue playing football consistently, so taking the slow and steady approach makes sense.
I can see your point, but agree to disagree since it's all assumption. There are cases where players never gonna heal. They just play with injuries and some had adapted to find form, sharpness quicker than others. If we could have heal Jones for all this time, we're not having this discussion right? We have other injury prone players too all these years.