Phil Jones

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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Luiz? :lol: he's not even a defender, or at least even a decent one. He's awful.
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    jason93 New Member

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    Then why is he worth £50 million? I always laugh when people say this.
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    PSG have more money than sense and the French league is a walk in the park for them so they don't need solid CBs
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Because PSG are idiots? They spent £50m on a center back who lacks any positional awareness, and a center back so poor defensively that mourinho was reluctant on playing him in defence. Him being good at shooting and running with the ball means nothing for him as a defender.
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    jason93 New Member

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    Mate, you're wrong. When he's with Silva, he is one of the best defenders going. He needs a stable partner beside him. It was obvious to me that Luiz was always gonna go in the 40-50m range even before PSG bought him. He's one of those unique players that only come around once every 10 years.
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Sorry but he is nowhere near one of the best defenders going, in any circumstance. As a center back he's shit, always has been. He's too rash, he lacks any positional awareness and it showed during the world cup. Whenever he's partnered with Silva it's not seen as much because Silva bails him out a decent amount, but against a good attack, it gets shown up for what it is. How can he be a good center back when he lacks all the things required to actually be a center back in the first place? His best qualities are running with the ball out of the back, and his long shots.... As in, nothing to do with his defensive ability, or lack of any should I say. 50m for him is easily the worst transfer ever. It's not even debatable. Even worse then 35m for Carroll ffs.
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    jason93 New Member

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    Not even close. Carroll was a very good player for Newcastle when Liverpool paid the £35m. People always seem to overlook that fact. With the crazy prices the English go for nowadays, £35m for one of the countries best strikers in the league at the time isn't all that much. We paid £30m for Shaw remember.

    You're vastly underrating Luiz. Or you just don't watch him that much. Mourinho is weird, he took Mata off, Chelsea's best player for 2 years running. He sold the young Lukaku and wouldn't play him and brought in the likes of Eto'o and Drogba who are aging rapidly. He sold De Bruyne who was one of their most promising young players etc... Don't take his decisions as gospel.

    Why are you not mentioning Luiz's good heading, slide tackles and interceptions? You hype his strong points up but you take no notice of his defensive qualities. Yes he might be a better passer and shooter than defender but he's the complete package. He can do it all and that's why he's worth £50m. Luiz is not a leader, he needs stability beside him. And besides that Germany game, he had a good World Cup IMO.
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    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

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    Carrol was very good and Luiz is vastly underrated? Crikey.
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    The Mitcher connoisseur of pot noodles and sandwiches

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    Carrol was far from one of the best strikers, he moved from midtable newcastle to midtable Liverpool and regressed. Luiz is a joke, there is no excuses for his crapness. Even though Jones is inconsistent and rash, I put that down to age, experience, and not his natural ability.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    If Luiz was so good, why was Mourinho happy to sell him ?
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    He didn't fit their style... see Veron and many others
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Fit their style ? I'd say he has been plain average.
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    shaggy Prefers blue over red, loathed by Spurs fans

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    I'd agree, but your point of, why didn't Mourinho want him if he's that great means nothing, as that's one man's plans, he didn't rate Mata either, or not enough to start him enough, would that also make him plain average? I agree Luiz is plain average, in fact not quite that, but you can't make that decision on the basis of Mourinho not liking him, therefore...
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    I think that is because he has been jerked around by having to fill in at both CM and RB - if he gets a proper run in our new 3 man defense I think we're going to see massive improvements.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    I don't think like that man, each player has his own particular situation. Just because Mourinho got rid of one for a singular reason, doesn't mean I think he applies the same logic for all of them. Regardless of style, Luiz is just a calamity.
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    Expecting big things from Phil this year. LvG will help him fulfill his potential.

    If he can stay injury free and cut out the silly challenges then we're going to see a top quality defender.
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    JSMHE New Member

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    lol
    In other word he's just average without a world class partner with him.