Players like Harry Kane: Do you respect them for going down with the ship, or are they wasting their careers?

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Any move he made would come with a hefty payrise. Both club and agent would be well aware of that before even considering putting up an official bid. Kane is being underpaid by some margin relative to what he could be earning elsewhere, which is admirable in itself that he would stay where he is despite that.

A big difference between someone like Kane and 'martyrs' like De Gea or Pogba is that the latter were/are being compensated heavily for their teams' woes and lack of competitiveness at the very top end of the footballing totem. They were/are being paid a king's ransom to keep hold of their services whilst Kane is being underpaid whilst his club fails to deliver relative to his ability and what he himself could be aspiring to.

In modern parlance, there really aren't many players in a similar position to Kane as the vast majority who aren't in the highest competitive environment in direct line for CL's and league titles, are being consoled as top bracket earners, which Kane is nowhere near.

Whether you regard him as the best striker in the world or not, he certainly belongs in that bracket with the esteemed few that are in the conversation for top spot, and the pay disparity between him and the rest of said company, I suspect, would be eye-opening.
The thing is, it's very rare in todays game, but some players put club loyalty before money. Kane strikes me as someone who might be happy with 200,000 a week for the thrill of scoring for his hometown team week in week out, and being an absolute God there, as opposed to going to City and being rotated with a couple of star strikers there, while earning 350,000 a week.
Yes Pogba and De Gea are whores for cash and put salary before everything, and should be shipped out of the club. Man Utd has never been that type of club to overpay spoiled divas unless its a very rare situation where we have the world's best player who deserves it. Rooney lost a big chuck of legendary status at the club by holding the club to ransom, and it was a disaster. We ended up with a burnt out overweight loaf on a 6 year monster contract. The same thing has happened with De Gea. Same with Alexis. There's no doubt something similar would probably happen with Pogba if we give him what he and his toxic agent want. Get rid and give Donny a chance
 

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Loyalty is a rare commodity HOWEVER, players like Kane, Veratti, Mbappe, Neymar, Thiago Silva, Shearer, Gazza, among many others make me sick because to waste elite level talent at lower level teams and not test and push yourself in pursuit of being the best and winning as much as you physically can goes against everything I love about sport.

Not to mention it’s just a complete waste and a real shame. Imagine Gazza or Shearer came to United when they had the chance, how their careers would have panned out and perhaps even Gazza’s personal life (but that’s a different subject.)
Neymar and Mbappe have no place in that league at that club other than money.

To me they are the opposite of Cristiano and there’s a reason for that, he wants to be the best at all costs.
 

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Respect but I'm not sure if Spurs are in that category they considered one of the big 6 in England.
 

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Sky sports are reporting it as breaking news that he will ask to leave.

Too bad no one can afford him
 

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Would be happy with him at United. Would only be happy if he cost less than £100m. So that wont happen
 

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Would be happy with him at United. Would only be happy if he cost less than £100m. So that wont happen
Why would he come to us? We're no better a place to be than Spuds. Theres zero chance he comes here. City would be the most likely place is its winning shiny stuff he is after.
 

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Should never have signed that 6 year deal without some sort of get out. Levy won’t let him leave unless he gets a ridiculous offer.
 

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Is it really so bad if someone prefers bringing his club to stay in the pack - even if it is not the real top - than to be just one of many others that are part of a top club? Kane is an icon for Tottenham he would not be for another club.
 

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Why would he come to us? We're no better a place to be than Spuds. Theres zero chance he comes here. City would be the most likely place is its winning shiny stuff he is after.
If I hear something like that from a Manchester United fan again I'll have you sent to Saint Helena
 

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Why would he come to us? We're no better a place to be than Spuds. Theres zero chance he comes here. City would be the most likely place is its winning shiny stuff he is after.
Forfeited your ability to be taken seriously right there.
 

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Wasting their career? wasting it how? Totti could have moved to Real, but he said no simply because he rather wanted to stay at Roma. If Kane is happy at Spurs and have no urge to leave then why shoulde he? One man's trash is another man's treasure.
 

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Wasting their career? wasting it how? Totti could have moved to Real, but he said no simply because he rather wanted to stay at Roma. If Kane is happy at Spurs and have no urge to leave then why shoulde he? One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Totti won the world cup. I would be happy to go down a club legend and stay at a club line Roma or Tottenham
 
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Harry Kane is probably the most high profile player in relation to the thread title - although it could be argued Pogba is doing the same - but the overarching question here is how do you ultimately regard players who are considered stars of their generation who don't go on to play for the top (or most succesful during their time) clubs, or at least have a measure of success, trophy-wise, should they decide to stay at the club that they essentially made their name with?

It's all said to be noble and sign of character to not move on, but when all's said and done, is there no question of what could have been?

Shearer is always mentioned in light of what he could have made of himself had he joined Manchester United, but at least with him, there was a period of time where it genuinely looked like Newcastle could go on to have their own time in the sun, that too with him already having won a league title. Someone like Kane doesn't even have these factors to console himself with and he really doesn't have much time left to make a significant mark on the game as a whole - I think it's safe to say he could go down as perhaps a player to even rival Greaves, as far as Spurs are concerned, but, for a player of his ability, is that enough?

Fans tend to be hypcritical when it comes to the push-pull machinations of players looking to better themselves, or making the best of themselves - as long as it doesn't concern their own team, it tends to be fine and dandy, otherwise, the player is perhaps a sell-out and a merc' who has no interest in helping out during the hard times; basically, if he's good, he should sacrifice his best years, if he's not, he good riddance etc. etc.

With regards to someone like Kane, do you see it as noble that he stays where he is, or a waste? If he were at your club, and your club wasn't delivering, would he have your blessing to move on? In extension, Spurs fans: if Kane wanted to move on, would he have your blessing and empathy as to why, or should he retire with you?
There is no such thing as wasting their careers. We should never project our ambitions on to such players.


Simply ask yourself. If you were playing for the club you support with all your heart, from your home town, getting paid all you need. With life friends and family around you daily, with you as hero of the city. Why would you ever leave? Especially when you are that happy and the possibility of leading that club to any kind of glory would surpass anything you could achieve any where else?


As as fan. If they left I would never begrudge them. But I'd be super chuffed and grateful if they stayed.
 

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Is it really so bad if someone prefers bringing his club to stay in the pack - even if it is not the real top - than to be just one of many others that are part of a top club? Kane is an icon for Tottenham he would not be for another club.
That's not really true though - us, as one example of many... if he came here and fired us to the title after so many years in the wilderness he would immediately be elevated to the level of RVP, or perhaps even higher. If he was a key hand in prolonged success from the moment he got here, he would be exalted and remembered as an even bigger legend. Cantona, Ronaldo, RVN, RVP and a host of others became legends inside 5yrs - the length of what would be his last major contract should he not be signed on for an extension.

Kane can still become an icon at another club, it just depends on their circumstances when he gets there and what he contributes to turning the tide if they aren't currently succesful.

If he stays where he is for his own personal reasons, that's admirable, but he's far from done as far as legacy goes should he up sticks and leave.
 

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Forfeited your ability to be taken seriously right there.
Because we are winning so much right now, right? Because since SAF left we havent been chopping and changing managers and play styles trying to get something to stick, right?

Id hate to tell you what you just forfeited.
 

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There is no such thing as wasting their careers. We should never project our ambitions on to such players.


Simply ask yourself. If you were playing for the club you support with all your heart, from your home town, getting paid all you need. With life friends and family around you daily, with you as hero of the city. Why would you ever leave? Especially when you are that happy and the possibility of leading that club to any kind of glory would surpass anything you could achieve any where else?


As as fan. If they left I would never begrudge them. But I'd be super chuffed and grateful if they stayed.
I'm pretty much 50/50 on this as, in one way, he would be a throwback to times gone by to be a superstar who stayed put at a club that doesn't match his ability, but the other way of looking at it is he didn't test himself or push to make the very best of himself. This is, of course, removing the personal element and the notion of a settled, blissful life he could ask for no more than.
 

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It's perfectly fine for players to want to stay at clubs of their choice for the long term, regardless of whether the club is doing well or not. However, they should always give themselves an option of something different, especially in football where it is a short career and things can change so easily. Put a clause into your contract or something. Give yourself that option even if you might not take it.
 

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Why would he come to us? We're no better a place to be than Spuds. Theres zero chance he comes here. City would be the most likely place is its winning shiny stuff he is after.
Definitely pal. We’re not a place better, rather 4, and 11 points clear. Why would he want such a sideways step eh?
 

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Definitely pal. We’re not a place better, rather 4, and 11 points clear. Why would he want such a sideways step eh?
So being 2nd is "winning" now is it? We're playing dog shit football. We arent at anything that even resembles consistent. But we are a valid option for Kane to improve his chances of getting some silverware? Come on, enough of this nonsense.
 

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So being 2nd is "winning" now is it? We're playing dog shit football. We arent at anything that even resembles consistent. But we are a valid option for Kane to improve his chances of getting some silverware? Come on, enough of this nonsense.
Being 2nd resembles progress after coming 3rd last season, while Spurs are 7th and have an ever declining points total year in, year out.

We’re still far more consistent than Spurs.

Yes, we have a young team who already have more quality and personality than Spurs, so it does enhance his chances of silverware.

Of course he would probably pick City if both us and them offered the same £120m and wages, but the fact that you think Kane joining us is a sideways step, let alone a pretty steep upwards one, is just ridiculous. He clearly wants to break Shearer’s record, and is an English lad who clearly wants to stay in the PL based on his interviews, so if City really can’t afford the £120m as Pep claims or goes for someone else, we are the best option for him.
 

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Wasting their career? wasting it how? Totti could have moved to Real, but he said no simply because he rather wanted to stay at Roma. If Kane is happy at Spurs and have no urge to leave then why shoulde he? One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Kane is not a Tottenham fan since boyhood. It's different. Totti was Romanisti through and through.

Kane wants to win titles and its beginning to dawn on him that the train has left the station at Spurs. They've not gotten better since they were in the Champions League final but rather regressed.
 

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Why would he come to us? We're no better a place to be than Spuds. Theres zero chance he comes here. City would be the most likely place is its winning shiny stuff he is after.
What are you talking about?

Jose literally relies on Kane/Son to win him games. Reasons why we're a more attractive place to be than spurs.

  1. Gets to play with higher quality players
  2. Higher chance of winning the league
  3. Guaranteed to get CL football right now - Likely won't get it at spurs.
  4. Gets paid more in wages, sponsorship.
  5. Gets away from Mourinho's anti-style of football
  6. Will be better managed so his career can be prolonged - At spurs he's played when he's half fit because they can't win without him.
  7. Gets to play for a historically much much bigger club.
 

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Being 2nd resembles progress after coming 3rd last season, while Spurs are 7th and have an ever declining points total year in, year out.

We’re still far more consistent than Spurs.

Yes, we have a young team who already have more quality and personality than Spurs, so it does enhance his chances of silverware.

Of course he would probably pick City if both us and them offered the same £120m and wages, but the fact that you think Kane joining us is a sideways step, let alone a pretty steep upwards one, is just ridiculous. He clearly wants to break Shearer’s record, and is an English lad who clearly wants to stay in the PL based on his interviews, so if City really can’t afford the £120m as Pep claims or goes for someone else, we are the best option for him.
How can it be our progress when we arent any better off points wise than the general median of the managers who came before?

13/14 season after 30 games = 48 pts
14/15 season after 30 games = 59 pts
15/16 season after 30 games = 50 pts
16/17 season after 30 games = 55 pts
17/18 season after 30 games = 65 pts
18/19 season after 30 games = 58 pts
19/20 season after 30 games = 46 pts
20/21 season after 30 games = 60 pts

Where is this "progress" you speak of? If you mean Ole didnt go 7 wins in 27 games over this season and last, then yes. That is progress I suppose.

Now lets look at Spuds

13/14 season after 30 games = 53 pts
14/15 season after 30 games = 53 pts
15/16 season after 30 games = 58 pts
16/17 season after 30 games = 65 pts
17/18 season after 30 games = 61 pts
18/19 season after 30 games = 61 pts
19/20 season after 30 games = 42 pts
20/21 season after 30 games = 46 pts

Jose might be having a mare, but generally they are not that far away from our totals over the years. So, yeah. Im not seeing where you and others are getting that we are great improvement over spuds?

Seriously, enough with the excuses. You can support the team without ignoring the facts. We are not a very good team right now. We have our moments, but thats it. The glory days are gone and they wont be coming back any time soon if we all delude ourselves that everything is fine. As you can see from the above points totals, we arent in 2nd because we got better. Everyone else got worse. And thats only a positive if they stay worse over the coming seasons.
 

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Why would he come to us? We're no better a place to be than Spuds. Theres zero chance he comes here. City would be the most likely place is its winning shiny stuff he is after.
Ffs comparing the country's biggest club and one of the biggest in the world to Spurs.
 

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Because we are winning so much right now, right? Because since SAF left we havent been chopping and changing managers and play styles trying to get something to stick, right?

Id hate to tell you what you just forfeited.
Spurs have literally won jack in 13 years mate. Beyond 2 league cups you're talking in the region of 30. Were you comparing Barcelona 99-2005 to Grenada or some small club?

Comparing Spurs to United, along with all of iHicksy's points is why all I can do is go :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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What are you talking about?

Jose literally relies on Kane/Son to win him games. Reasons why we're a more attractive place to be than spurs.

  1. Gets to play with higher quality players
  2. Higher chance of winning the league
  3. Guaranteed to get CL football right now - Likely won't get it at spurs.
  4. Gets paid more in wages, sponsorship.
  5. Gets away from Mourinho's anti-style of football
  6. Will be better managed so his career can be prolonged - At spurs he's played when he's half fit because they can't win without him.
  7. Gets to play for a historically much much bigger club.
1. debatable.
2. Not a chance.
3. True, but thats not exclusive to us.
4. True, but again thats not exclusive to us.
5. And runs straight into Oles brand of not knowing what the feck hes doing half the time.
6. You are having a laugh with that one. Bruno and Rashford are the best players we have and both are run into the ground. Kane would be no better off here.
7. So?

13/14 season after 30 games = 48 pts
14/15 season after 30 games = 59 pts
15/16 season after 30 games = 50 pts
16/17 season after 30 games = 55 pts
17/18 season after 30 games = 65 pts
18/19 season after 30 games = 58 pts
19/20 season after 30 games = 46 pts
20/21 season after 30 games = 60 pts

vs


13/14 season after 30 games = 53 pts
14/15 season after 30 games = 53 pts
15/16 season after 30 games = 58 pts
16/17 season after 30 games = 65 pts
17/18 season after 30 games = 61 pts
18/19 season after 30 games = 61 pts
19/20 season after 30 games = 42 pts
20/21 season after 30 games = 46 pts

And thats all that matters when it comes to winning the league and getting silverware, which is what we are talking about. Kane coming here would not improve his chances of winning anything by any amount that would be worth his time. Spurs is his boyhood club. That is going to matter more to him than coming to a historic club like ours. He feels about them the way we feel about United. To think he would come here to slightly improve his chances of winning is delusional. Not when City are looking and are a much better managed club. Not to mention any of the half dozen clubs across the main land.
 

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Ffs comparing the country's biggest club and one of the biggest in the world to Spurs.
So, its not about facts. Its just about feelings? The pts tally is there to see since the big man left. If you think a Spurs fan gives a feck that we are big club with great history, Ive got some magic beans to sell you.
 

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Spurs have literally won jack in 13 years mate. Beyond 2 league cups you're talking in the region of 30. Were you comparing Barcelona 99-2005 to Grenada or some small club?

Comparing Spurs to United, along with all of iHicksy's points is why all I can do is go :lol: :lol: :lol:
k
 

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We’d probably take him from 200k per week to 400k, rightly or wrongly. Remarkable how people genuinely believe that him going from Spurs to us is a sideways step.
Not a sideways step at all Rashford is 3 cups ahead of him. A move to United is more money at a better chances at silverware whether that will be a title or a ucl is a different story.
 

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Being 2nd resembles progress after coming 3rd last season, while Spurs are 7th and have an ever declining points total year in, year out.

We’re still far more consistent than Spurs.

Yes, we have a young team who already have more quality and personality than Spurs, so it does enhance his chances of silverware.


Of course he would probably pick City if both us and them offered the same £120m and wages, but the fact that you think Kane joining us is a sideways step, let alone a pretty steep upwards one, is just ridiculous. He clearly wants to break Shearer’s record, and is an English lad who clearly wants to stay in the PL based on his interviews, so if City really can’t afford the £120m as Pep claims or goes for someone else, we are the best option for him.
Kane has been there, done that as far as the bolded is concerned and it didn't end well for him.

I highly doubt he'd be interested in another "project", especially not at a club he has no personal affiliation with.