Players who won't survive under a progressive manager

[Idxomer]

DDG, Maguire, McTominay, and AWB.

Would any of these players be starters under a progressive manager like Pep, Klopp, or Ten Hag?

Who else in the current squad would you add to this list?

 

[CallyRed]

Didn't Pep want Maguire?

 

[Terminator]

Maguire 100% will survive. The rest I don't know.

 

[Revan]

AWB and McTominay, no way. Maguire yes, but not as an undisputed starter, he will have to fight with Lindelof for that second place.

 

[Adisa]

Obvious ones are McTominay and AWB,
Fred and Bruno Fernandes to a lesser extent.

 

[thegregster]

There isn't the funds to replace them.

The next manager will have to work with most of this squad.

100 mil will be our funds next summer. 2-3 players max will be brought in.

 

[bosnian_red]

They'd be fine. These threads are dumb. A good coach gets the best out of his players and knows how to hide weaknesses.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred, AWB, McTominay.

 

[Lukinho]

Why the feck is De Gea in there. Without him this season couldve been even worse. How can somebody be so blind.

 

[izec]

McTominay and AWB wont play, as they havent got the basics. Both are a waste of space

 

[Godfather]

We won't get a progressive manager is my fear. Probably another nepotism choice judging by this fecking club

 

[Judas]

I'll judge these players a lot more harshly under a new manager and staff, ones with a plan, who have an identity. Who knows what they could possibly get out of this group.

 

[Idxomer]

Why the feck is De Gea in there. Without him this season couldve been even worse. How can somebody be so blind.

I like De Gea, he's an amazing shot-stopper but that's sadly not enough in modern football.

Playing with a keeper who refuses to come off his line and is a poor passer is a massive hindrance in today's football.

 

[Lukinho]

I like De Gea, he's an amazing shot-stopper but that's sadly not enough in modern football.

Playing with a keeper who refuses to come off his line and is a poor passer is a massive hindrance in today's football.

I respect your opinion but I think this has improved a lot this season. Especially his passing I think

 

[Bebestation]

I personally think AWB could be big under Conte at RCB like azpilicueta.

However, Conte is not progressive manager.

 

[Bastian]

Interesting thread. I think Pogba and Maguire would struggle. AWB would have to develop his technique really quickly. The keepers will struggle. McTominay will need to start showing for the ball.

I also think a lot of players will benefit: Garner, Mejbri, Laird, who as of yet have not had a look in. Donny if he's not been sold.

 

[Terminator]

I like De Gea, he's an amazing shot-stopper but that's sadly not enough in modern football.

Playing with a keeper who refuses to come off his line and is a poor passer is a massive hindrance in today's football.

Agreed.

Amazing shot stopper when on form but any manager who plays a progressive brand of footballer will want a sweeper keeper.

 

[Florida Man]

I'll judge these players a lot more harshly under a new manager and staff, ones with a plan, who have an identity. Who knows what they could possibly get out of this group.

Pretty much where I'm at with it

 

[rooney2009]

Fred, Fred, Fred, Fred, AWB, McTominay.

Fred starts for a brilliant Brazilian team
All this players play for their countries
this was a tactic issue for the last few games
We need a manager with proper tactics and technical guidance

 

[LJJT]

AWB was out on the piss Friday night in Manchester

 

[Florida Man]

Fred starts for a brilliant Brazilian team
All this players play for their countries
this was a tactic issue for the last few games
We need a manager with proper tactics and technical guidance

Does playing for Scotland count as an achievement though?

 

[Dante]

Thread title should be changed to 'what players don't you personally like?'.

 

[Idxomer]

Thread title should be changed to 'what players don't you personally like?'.

I like both AWB and DDG and kinda agree with the Pogba mention but he's leaving anyway, so he doesn't matter in this discussion.

 

[Judas]

AWB was out on the piss Friday night in Manchester

That wouldn't surprise me. He plays like he's pissed most of the time to be fair.

 

[Henandez14]

We all know the usual culprits. As for who would do well, I think Sancho and DVB are worth a shout. It's not surprising we can't get a tune out of them. Lindelof and Fred were the same when they arrived, but they gradually adjusted to being uncoached

 

[Revan]

I personally think AWB could be big under Conte at RCB like azpilicueta.

However, Conte is not progressive manager.

Conte evaluates the positioning in his defenders more than anything else.

AWB has absolutely terrible positioning. And positioning is even more important as a CB. He wouldn't play under Conte.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Maguire, McFred, AWB, Pogba, for different reasons:

Maguire - too slow, liability at the back at times, cost us many goals this season, very poor influence as a captain

AWB - as modern wing back, he is really poor at attacking. I loss count on how many chances he create for opponents when he try to run past opponents, then losing possession and out of position, then result in starting an attacking move for the opponents

McFred - can't pass, didn't do their job to protect the back 4, have no attacking qualities, and got outplayed in almost every single matches this season. Easily the worst midfielder pairs in the league at the moment, or probably the worst pivot ever in our history

Pogba - he doesn't care about the team, not a team player for us, he only plays for himself, and he is liability in defence.

 

[slored1]

Might sound crazy but Fernandes. Not sure how a progressive manager will stick with his tendency to play the killer ball every 5 seconds.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

They'd be fine. These threads are dumb. A good coach gets the best out of his players and knows how to hide weaknesses.

I think AWB would struggle. He can't even control a high ball.

 

[Kaos]

DDG, Maguire, McTominay, and AWB.

Would any of these players be starters under a progressive manager like Pep, Klopp, or Ten Hag?

Who else in the current squad would you add to this list?

I actually agree with your list of players. Trouble is we don't have good enough alternatives for a couple of them.

 

[Lentwood]

It's pointless judging these players on these performances because they are being hung out to dry by a total lack of organisation

 

[T00lsh3d]

A name not mentioned so far, but Rashford would seriously have to retain the ball better. He loses possession way too often and often completely unnecessarily

 

[Hammondo]

There are not many players who would, as much as many here won't like it.

 

[Hammondo]

A name not mentioned so far, but Rashford would seriously have to retain the ball better. He loses possession way too often and often completely unnecessarily

And he was lazy, hes not a modern type of forward.

 

[Idxomer]

We all know the usual culprits. As for who would do well, I think Sancho and DVB are worth a shout. It's not surprising we can't get a tune out of them. Lindelof and Fred were the same when they arrived, but they gradually adjusted to being uncoached

Sancho, VDB, and Amad are all players who would thrive under a more progressive setup because they all value possession and were coached the right way in their academies.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Why the feck is De Gea in there. Without him this season couldve been even worse. How can somebody be so blind.

Because his distribution is terrible and he doesn’t come out quick enough. Granted his form has been very good this season but he’s still awful when the ball is played back to him. A big issue for us this season is we have tried to play out from the back and we aren’t very good at it.

 

[Someone]

A good coach should be able to help a lot of players improve their overall game.

 

[Trequarista10]

It's not so simple.

Henderson and Milner aren't exactly technicians, Kante neither. Walker was a kick and run merchant at Spurs. They've all been utilised to good affect. We've seen Fabien Delph and Victor Moses play important roles in title winning campaigns in recent seasons. John Stones was a laughing stock in the early part of his Man City career.

The main thing I'd be looking for from a new manager would be getting the most out of the players, coaching them to play their part in a system, getting the most out of their strengths and accommodating for or improving upon their weaknesses. I wouldn't write off any individual players before they are given a chance in a new set up.

 

[crossy1686]

What the feck has Ten Hag done!?

 

[sparx99]

McTominay could still reach the level of Jordan Henderson IMO. He’s not a holding a midfielder but he could definitely play in a gegenpress style. Needs to play in a 3-man midfield with clear instructions though.