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I have enjoyed zero hours of warzone because it sucks dick and I'm a dirty casual who gets blammed with seconds of spawning.

Warzone makes its money from microtransactions doesn't it? So even if I had enjoyed it for free some sap would have spent money on dogshit skins and paid for my free experience.

Quite easy to argue about the price of games. It's literally what we are doing.
It wasn't you personally it was a general statement, if they wanna spend their money its fine.

For the hours of entertainment and replay value its hard to argue against the value at £70 when there is people paying £5.99 to rent a movie for a single night. (i personally wouldn't pay to rent a film but tons of people do it)

Yes £49.99 is great, cheaper the better majority of games cost me £29 brand new via cdkeys on pc.

Obviously its more painful when its a lower quality product or its just not for you but we don't price the cinema differently if i see Goodfellas or Snakes on a plane.

£49 to play your own games online is alot more of a piss take then any £20 price hike.
 

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I really don't why people are so against paying £70 for games.

Games used to be 30/35 in the 90s, raised to 40/50 in the 00s until last year. The amount of work and time that goes into making games, alongside inflation and it makes perfect sense why games are slightly more expensive this gen.

Is it that people have been spoilt throughout the last gen? when prices should have increased really. Is it the rise in cheap indie games? Is it gamepass giving people a false feeling of lack of value?
Depends on the game. Something like Demons Souls, The Last of Us, God of War... absolutely seems in line to be pricing those at £70 on next gen. Ratchet and Clank, Returnal, Rockstar titles... seems pretty reasonable. A new IP like Returnal is taking risks at pricing that high, but if it sells it sells. The majority of AAA games are regurgitated trash though and their sales rely on consumers being brain dead zombies. I cannot imagine paying £70 for AC's latest reskin (as someone who got Odyssey 6 weeks after its release for free on PC via Epic), or COD, or any of the yearly reskins made by EA or Ubisoft.

But to answer the other question it's definitely due to the rise of cheap indie games, pc gaming in general, gamepasses, and probably most of all free to play games.

The line up and variety of free to play games, and the presence they have on streaming sites and in esports, is probably a nightmare for game developers trying to work with the traditional pricing models. Warzone, Fortnite, CSGO, Valorant, SC2, Rocket League, Overwatch, DOTA, League, Apex etc.. How the hell do you compete with that line up?
 

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If you take into account inflation, games are cheaper then ever when looking over the decades.

Of course publishers and developers make a truckload, but this is ultimately a business and with games costing so much more to make, with developers taking such a financial hit if it was to fail completely, I find it hard to argue with game pricing.
They go on like their costs are high but loads of games just reskin stuff, or drag and drop...

Loads of assets in a game are just the same thing repeated. They're just pushing people towards piracy at the end of the day.

I actually don't really know why I'm having this convo anyway as I just buy stuff in sales and then never play them anyway :lol:

I guess it's because give it another few years and another price hike for "Assassin's Creed: Hartlepool - The curse of the hanged monkey", which just uses the same generic formula the past games have, with some new shiny weapons. Still have 300 towers to climb. Games aren't innovative to warrant their prices I guess, same shit, pat themselves on the back and jobs a good'un.

Sounds like I'm picking on AC there a bit, I quite enjoyed the AC games but not bothered with them in a while, waiting for Valhalla to go on sale :lol: they're basically selling us the same products for higher prices, even the storylines are dogshit copied from previous games half the time.
 

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Games I would class as worth it would be GTA V, Witcher 3 and RDR2. That's it. Atleast 2 of those weren't worth that price upon release either. There was enough in all those games to continue playing even after the storyline was done with.

I enjoyed HZD, but that didn't feel like a £70 game to me.

Problem is, once a price point for AAA games becomes the norm, even the shite / shallow games use it too, then it becomes a normal price point for more games.

So if £70 is the top point for triple AAA games, that pushes the average game price point further up, so what would be £20-£30 games and now suddenly £40-£50
Like I said, it isn't a good price point for all games, just some of them. Fair enough you're worried about the knock-on effect it will have on the rest of the market, I get that. But just the general statement that it's a ridiculous price is what I don't agree with.

I will continue to do as I've been doing since forever now though, and reserve full price purchases for those rare games I consider essential. You can never be 100% certain before buying, but a combination of developer trust and in-depth reviews from trusted sources usually covers it for me. Any title that isn't worth it can usually be picked up during a sale no later than 6 months to a year after release. That's perfectly acceptable to me.
 

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Depends on the game. Something like Demons Souls, The Last of Us, God of War... absolutely seems in line to be pricing those at £70 on next gen. Ratchet and Clank, Returnal, Rockstar titles... seems pretty reasonable. A new IP like Returnal is taking risks at pricing that high, but if it sells it sells. The majority of AAA games are regurgitated trash though and their sales rely on consumers being brain dead zombies. I cannot imagine paying £70 for AC's latest reskin (as someone who got Odyssey 6 weeks after its release for free on PC via Epic), or COD, or any of the yearly reskins made by EA or Ubisoft.

But to answer the other question it's definitely due to the rise of cheap indie games, pc gaming in general, gamepasses, and probably most of all free to play games.

The line up and variety of free to play games, and the presence they have on streaming sites and in esports, is probably a nightmare for game developers trying to work with the traditional pricing models. Warzone, Fortnite, CSGO, Valorant, SC2, Rocket League, Overwatch, DOTA, League, Apex etc.. How the hell do you compete with that line up?
The rise of F2P has certainly had a contributing factor. Getting essentially fully fledged games for free is an excellent proposition for most. I still play Rocket League most nights.

For me Gamepass is great, in theory. For me the library of games is meh most of the time. I had it for 12 months on PC and barely used it. For me PS+ monthly games are better a lot of the time. Granted I have never had any great love for the main MS IP so there are a fair few games on there many people would point to as excellent value for "free".

It's a trend I've noticed a lot online, that gamers feel like the devs owe them. Price increases are reasonable when you consider the amount of work that goes into the game along with the time many people spend with it.

What I do disagree with is the huge markup for games digitally, especially at launch. Returnal or any game for that matter should not be the same price digitally as the the physical edition. A £50/60 price point for digital copies seems more reasonable with the physical copies, which have resell value priced at £70.
 

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Binge watched AOT, United won 6-2, straight to the final and now State of Play. Today is a good fecking day.
 

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Yes yes. Ratchet and Clank looks fun and all, but give me something more up my alley please.
That's our show? Oh well. Big pile of nothing.
 

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Ok well that was shite. Wish Sony would stop pretending R&C are big don't even have any hype. We've seen it a hundred times at this point. Even a 15min gameplay of HZD or anything new would have been fine.
 

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Returnal has a good atmosphere. It's also lovely that they have included aim-assists so people like me who don't play shooters can try them out without too much frustration.

I like the way it uses the controller for shooting and secondary fire.
 

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Does this mean we will have cross platform parties via discord, sounds like it that's awesome especially for me as a pc user.
 

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As my time for gaming is pretty limited I never really cared too much about the PS5 release. I now scrolled through the games available and planned and I personally cannot really get excited by this list.

Games which would be of interest to me:

Demons' Souls remake: That would probably the main reason for me to get a PS5. However, I do not feel a rush to play it right now and I would be fine with playing it in 2 or 3 years time.
Resident Evil Village: Also planned for PS4 so might just get it for that one
The Witcher 3: Got it on PS4
Lords of the Fallen 2: No release date and no guarantee it will be of the standard it should be
Elden Ring: Surely not before 2022. Once this game has been released I might start to gather more interest
Kingdom Come Deliverance 2: No release date
God of War 2: Surely going to play this one, but nothing that immediately makes me wanna buy a PS5
Gothic Remake: Sounds cool, but similar to Demons' Souls it feels weird that one of the most interesting titles is a remake of something I have already enjoyed back then
Horizon 2: Enjoyed HZD quite a bit and will give it another go now that I got it for free. However, it got a bit repetitive and felt slightly bland to me

So all in all my researches turned out quite sobering. Probably I have become one of the old farts myself who always moan and gonna tell you that everything was better in the days of old.
One thing that seems great though is that PS4 games can be played on the PS5 as well so I might switch this or next year.
 

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As my time for gaming is pretty limited I never really cared too much about the PS5 release. I now scrolled through the games available and planned and I personally cannot really get excited by this list.

Games which would be of interest to me:

Demons' Souls remake: That would probably the main reason for me to get a PS5. However, I do not feel a rush to play it right now and I would be fine with playing it in 2 or 3 years time.
Resident Evil Village: Also planned for PS4 so might just get it for that one
The Witcher 3: Got it on PS4
Lords of the Fallen 2: No release date and no guarantee it will be of the standard it should be
Elden Ring: Surely not before 2022. Once this game has been released I might start to gather more interest
Kingdom Come Deliverance 2: No release date
God of War 2: Surely going to play this one, but nothing that immediately makes me wanna buy a PS5
Gothic Remake: Sounds cool, but similar to Demons' Souls it feels weird that one of the most interesting titles is a remake of something I have already enjoyed back then
Horizon 2: Enjoyed HZD quite a bit and will give it another go now that I got it for free. However, it got a bit repetitive and felt slightly bland to me

So all in all my researches turned out quite sobering. Probably I have become one of the old farts myself who always moan and gonna tell you that everything was better in the days of old.
One thing that seems great though is that PS4 games can be played on the PS5 as well so I might switch this or next year.
From your list of games, I think you'd enjoy Returnal too unless you really arent a big fan of Sci-fi/space theme. I don't mean to buy immediately, just one to consider for your list if you enjoy challenging games as your list suggests.
 

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From your list of games, I think you'd enjoy Returnal too unless you really arent a big fan of Sci-fi/space theme. I don't mean to buy immediately, just one to consider for your list if you enjoy challenging games as your list suggests.
Cheers man, looks pretty cool. Going to add it to the list for later.
 

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Have been playing Horizon Zero Dawn the last couple of months, and found it really fun at first, but now I'm playing past getting to Meridian, I think I'll take a few months break from it, as it just feels like a bit of a chore to play right now.

So far since getting my PS5, I have completed Spiderman, R & C, and most recently, God of War and TLOU, so I'm not sure if it's just because I've come from some of the best games ever made, but I find the story okay, but the gameplay gets a bit repetitive, as you're almost always the underdog against most machines and have to just run away, and the fact you can't take over the majority of machines etc.

I think with my limited time to play, I have found that I much prefer linear, story focused games, than these open world games, where you need to explore to do certain things.

Might move onto Uncharted 1 or Death Stranding for a bit of a cleanse.
 

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Have been playing Horizon Zero Dawn the last couple of months, and found it really fun at first, but now I'm playing past getting to Meridian, I think I'll take a few months break from it, as it just feels like a bit of a chore to play right now.

So far since getting my PS5, I have completed Spiderman, R & C, and most recently, God of War and TLOU, so I'm not sure if it's just because I've come from some of the best games ever made, but I find the story okay, but the gameplay gets a bit repetitive, as you're almost always the underdog against most machines and have to just run away, and the fact you can't take over the majority of machines etc.

I think with my limited time to play, I have found that I much prefer linear, story focused games, than these open world games, where you need to explore to do certain things.

Might move onto Uncharted 1 or Death Stranding for a bit of a cleanse.
:lol:
 

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Have been playing Horizon Zero Dawn the last couple of months, and found it really fun at first, but now I'm playing past getting to Meridian, I think I'll take a few months break from it, as it just feels like a bit of a chore to play right now.

So far since getting my PS5, I have completed Spiderman, R & C, and most recently, God of War and TLOU, so I'm not sure if it's just because I've come from some of the best games ever made, but I find the story okay, but the gameplay gets a bit repetitive, as you're almost always the underdog against most machines and have to just run away, and the fact you can't take over the majority of machines etc.

I think with my limited time to play, I have found that I much prefer linear, story focused games, than these open world games, where you need to explore to do certain things.

Might move onto Uncharted 1 or Death Stranding for a bit of a cleanse.
Uncharted would definitely be fine, but even though I haven't played it, I know Death Stranding is the exact opposite to what you prefer.
 

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Uncharted would definitely be fine, but even though I haven't played it, I know Death Stranding is the exact opposite to what you prefer.
I realised that shortly after posting, wasn't thinking properly about the game, just know it was in my backlog and highly rated :lol:

Also considering Control as an alternative to Uncharted. Is Days Gone linear or open world?
 

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I realised that shortly after posting, wasn't thinking properly about the game, just know it was in my backlog and highly rated :lol:

Also considering Control as an alternative to Uncharted. Is Days Gone linear or open world?
Control would be a much better shout for you.

Days Gone is open world too and a pretty big and bloated game.
 

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I realised that shortly after posting, wasn't thinking properly about the game, just know it was in my backlog and highly rated :lol:

Also considering Control as an alternative to Uncharted. Is Days Gone linear or open world?
Control is a great game. A great sense of exploration and mystery. It also runs really well on the PS5 in 60fps. I really didn't like Days Gone much at all. And if you got burnt out on Horizon for being repetitive, then Days Gone is the opposite of what you want, IMO.
 

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Control would be a much better shout for you.

Days Gone is open world too and a pretty big and bloated game.
Nice one, heard some good things about it, and I'll be going in quite blind.

I have a complicated relationship with Uncharted. I have the collection and plan to play through all + 4, but I've played the first few hours of the first game on the PS3 and PSNow about 3 times in the last few years, so it's a bit tedious going through all of that again. Might wait a bit longer to forget about it!
 

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Control is a great game. A great sense of exploration and mystery. It also runs really well on the PS5 in 60fps. I really didn't like Days Gone much at all. And if you got burnt out on Horizon for being repetitive, then Days Gone is the opposite of what you want, IMO.
I think my issue with Horizon, is the fact that it can take a while to travel between points (I know you can get the unlimited fast travel, but you still have to spend time hunting etc. to get the items to trade for it), and having to run away from everything you see.

What I really loved about God of War and TLOU, is that even though they are extremely story focused, it's really easy to jump in and out of, for only 20-30 minute spurts if you feel like. So something similar to that would be great.
 

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I think my issue with Horizon, is the fact that it can take a while to travel between points (I know you can get the unlimited fast travel, but you still have to spend time hunting etc. to get the items to trade for it), and having to run away from everything you see.

What I really loved about God of War and TLOU, is that even though they are extremely story focused, it's really easy to jump in and out of, for only 20-30 minute spurts if you feel like. So something similar to that would be great.
Well, I would still very much recommend Control. Not sure if it would fit the criteria of playing for 20-30 minutes then dropping out as you can't just save at any time. You have to interact with a control point in the game. Shouldn't be an issue though.

Not sure if you're a fan of first-person shooters, but Titanfall 2 is incredible. The single-player campaign is excellent, and it autosaves quite often so you can sort of jump in and out.

Batman Arkham games are also great, and I think Arkham Knight is on the PS Plus Collection.