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afrocentricity

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Because this discussion was about DD2?

I hate the whole concept, but this was the game being discussed and it's particularly laughable to not only include something in a game that the dev explicitly said wouldn't be there, but to monetise it too.

Frankly, it's weird that you've taken it so personally.
Sounds like it can be completely ignored from the game though?

Someone else mentioned HD2.... I'm 150+ hrs in and I've spent £1.69 on the game over the £35 it cost at launch. Maybe we should look at each game on its actually merits and gameplay rather than "Microtranslations? Aaaaaargh!11 Kill them!!"
 

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Sounds like it can be completely ignored from the game though?

Someone else mentioned HD2.... I'm 150+ hrs in and I've spent £1.69 on the game over the £35 it cost at launch. Maybe we should look at each game on its actually merits and gameplay rather than "Microtranslations? Aaaaaargh!11 Kill them!!"
I disagree wholeheartedly with microtransactions, outside of perhaps cosmetics in otherwise free to play games.

It doesn't matter to me if it can be ignored, it's just particularly egregious in this case as the dev literally said something like "we won't have fast travel because fast travel is for boring games" only for the game to include it and for it to be monetised.

It probably won't stop me picking it up in a sale, but as consumers, we shouldn't accept this nonsense. If Elden Ring, for example, contained a small, finite number of health potions, but launched with a £2 microtransaction to acquire more, it could similarly be handwaved with "you can ignore it/you don't have to buy it" but it wouldn't make it any less shit.
 

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Capcom always do it, see Resi Evil games. Do think it’s been overdone. If they’re locking something out of the game completely behind micro transactions then that’s shitty. Think everything that you can pay extra for is available in the game anyway.
 

TrustInJanuzaj

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Because this discussion was about DD2?

I hate the whole concept, but this was the game being discussed and it's particularly laughable to not only include something in a game that the dev explicitly said wouldn't be there, but to monetise it too.

Frankly, it's weird that you've taken it so personally.
It’s not it’s weird there’s such uproar about this game when MXT have been around for years and this is probably one of the instances where it has absolutely zero impact on gameplay or me as a player. If people are stupid enough to buy meaningless stuff like this it’s on them. My opinion is relatively simple. I hate MXT and would rather they go entirely, however that’s a pipe dream. In that scenario I’d rather see small and meaningless stuff for lazy people than actual game altering stuff or even cool armour sets you can’t get any other way.
 

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It’s not it’s weird there’s such uproar about this game when MXT have been around for years and this is probably one of the instances where it has absolutely zero impact on gameplay or me as a player. If people are stupid enough to buy meaningless stuff like this it’s on them. My opinion is relatively simple. I hate MXT and would rather they go entirely, however that’s a pipe dream. In that scenario I’d rather see small and meaningless stuff for lazy people than actual game altering stuff or even cool armour sets you can’t get any other way.
Of course it's weird you've taken it personally. The discussion was about DD2 so it's not at all odd that the microtransactions in other games aren't being discussed. You literally said I was spreading misinformation about it, only to completely misrepresent what the fast-travel DLC was yourself.

I actually agree that the uproar is a bit much, but that's because a) it's Capcom and it's par for the course for them, and b) it's detracting from the massive issues relating to optimisation on PC, not because microtransactions suddenly aren't scummy.

People shouldn't be passive to this stuff though, because it's absolutely them seeing how much they can get away with.
 

afrocentricity

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I disagree wholeheartedly with microtransactions, outside of perhaps cosmetics in otherwise free to play games.

It doesn't matter to me if it can be ignored, it's just particularly egregious in this case as the dev literally said something like "we won't have fast travel because fast travel is for boring games" only for the game to include it and for it to be monetised.

It probably won't stop me picking it up in a sale, but as consumers, we shouldn't accept this nonsense. If Elden Ring, for example, contained a small, finite number of health potions, but launched with a £2 microtransaction to acquire more, it could similarly be handwaved with "you can ignore it/you don't have to buy it" but it wouldn't make it any less shit.
Yeah I hear ya
 

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Of course it's weird you've taken it personally. The discussion was about DD2 so it's not at all odd that the microtransactions in other games aren't being discussed. You literally said I was spreading misinformation about it, only to completely misrepresent what the fast-travel DLC was yourself.

I actually agree that the uproar is a bit much, but that's because a) it's Capcom and it's par for the course for them, and b) it's detracting from the massive issues relating to optimisation on PC, not because microtransactions suddenly aren't scummy.

People shouldn't be passive to this stuff though, because it's absolutely them seeing how much they can get away with.
It's hard to disagree with your point that publishers are testing the market to see what kind of bs they can pull and have consumers accept. The $30 or whatever it was 3 day early access for Starfield last year stood out to me for the same reason.

I find myself having trouble being too hard on this game because, as a game, it seems like a rejection of many other modern practices in gaming that really annoy me. I'm not saying this is a reason to ignore the obnoxious microtransactions, just that my tiny neanderthal brain has difficulty holding both feelings simultaneously.
 

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I think Monster Hunter had microtransaction stickers and Resident Evil had mtx weapon skins or something for similar prices. It seems standard practice by Capcom. I'm not too pushed about it in them cases but Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom were both pretty terrible for it so its a fine line they're walking.
 

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Of course it's weird you've taken it personally. The discussion was about DD2 so it's not at all odd that the microtransactions in other games aren't being discussed. You literally said I was spreading misinformation about it, only to completely misrepresent what the fast-travel DLC was yourself.

I actually agree that the uproar is a bit much, but that's because a) it's Capcom and it's par for the course for them, and b) it's detracting from the massive issues relating to optimisation on PC, not because microtransactions suddenly aren't scummy.

People shouldn't be passive to this stuff though, because it's absolutely them seeing how much they can get away with.
I haven’t taken it personally, I’m not defending the use of MXT, but I’ll use common sense to defend the against the outcry here. I think it is misinformation to say “pay for fast travel” it’s nothing like that extreme. At best the tag line is “pay for a minor convenience and laziness”. I’m just making sure that people reading the sensationalist headlines are not being put off a potential all timer of an RPG. Would be sad for people if that misrepresentation stopped them buying it.

I do agree on the performance it’s not good, and let’s be honest the last thing you want to do is piss off the PC crowd…

On your final point I agree, it should always be viewed negatively, but in a world where EA make billions from FIFA, assassins creed pump out paid content after paid content, COD releases dumb skin after dumb skin. This feels like a weird place to take the stand.
 

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In DD2, the none fast travel is not a hindrances its a huge plus - like both myself and @trushave said all the best bits are random. This makes to game what it is.