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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) chats to author, Dan Williamson, about his new book 'If I Hadnt Seen Such Riches' which chronicles our 1990/91 European Cup Winners Cup victory, which is a trip down memory lane for those old enough to remember it and a vital history lesson for those who don't.
Did Sony ruin the world?
By doing what Nintendo do
I don't remember Nintendo games being on PC and making loads of money then being walked back on, and having to close studios and neglect successful franchises after a series of shit decisions so far this gen they intend to continue doubling down on...
But yay for continued live service focus!
I think AI will have an impact on games industry and allow for cheaper games to be made and therefore hopefully more single player games.
Personally of the wrong age bracket to care about playing online with others or live service stuff.
As an aside, Insomniac have done an amazing job this gen and seem to be the only ones who have found a way to release good SP games without massive development times. I think it's 4 already, with a 5th released in September.
They do have two studios, but still it's impressive.
They do have two studios, but still it's impressive.
Agreed, but three of them are essentially the same game!
True, but Sony could do with more at that at the moment. Even if you treat the Spiderman games as the same base game, it's still going to be Ratchet & Clank, Spiderman, and Wolverine for the PS5 which is ahead of their other studios.
With Spiderman 2 in 2023 I'd be surprised if there's not another next year too.
Be great if they shared that New York model with other developers to use. It's such a brilliant open world.
If only it was going to be used as a tool to aide in that way...imagine how great that could be!
But alas, as we are already seeing, as usual it's already the worst possible implementation.
But that's the gaming world we are in. This isn't about single player games or selling more consoles, in fact the PC ports only add money to the business and there's no data that suggests it hurts console sales (especially as they already hold some games back, and delay others). This is about restructuring and covering themselves because of their disastrous live service policy as to date. And as I said above, they certainly will be pushing on with that AND I guarantee you that those games will still be on PC.
If it is true (and Schreier ain't one to talk shit) then I fear for Nixxes. It is beyond me why they didn't combine the expertise of both Bluepoint and Nixxes – Bluepoint to remake older games from PS3 period and earlier, and Nixxes to help get them optimised for PC day one.
What they did with Bluepoint – putting them in the live service mines – annoyed me. With the talk that they were making an original experience or whatever in an existing IP, everyone thought it was going to be a smaller Loki game in the GoW universe. For that to not actually be that after all, and a live service game that ended up being scrapped just pissed me off. Damage from Jim Ryan and now Hermen Hulst is going to be felt for years to come.
What they did with Bluepoint – putting them in the live service mines – annoyed me. With the talk that they were making an original experience or whatever in an existing IP, everyone thought it was going to be a smaller Loki game in the GoW universe. For that to not actually be that after all, and a live service game that ended up being scrapped just pissed me off. Damage from Jim Ryan and now Hermen Hulst is going to be felt for years to come.
They are covering tracks and laying blame where they can. All whilst pushing the same path that got them in this position. As I said before, they are very lucky Xbox have thrown themself off a cliff so it doesn't look as bad as it actually is.
Meanwhile, people who consider themselves gamers cheer for this gatekeeping of games thinking that it's magically going to end up with more SP releases
That should put an end to the rumours. It is clear that Miyazaki doesn’t want anybody else to touch it.
Huge pinch of salt on that one. A studio chasing leads is definitely true, and them pitching a BB remake is also true. Miyazaki not wanting BB touched by anyone else makes perfect sense too, in fact I'd wager he isn't overly happy with the Demon Souls remake.
But FROM aren't the all powerful developers making a shit ton of money right now that people seem to think they are, the arse is flapping after Nightreign isn't anywhere near as huge as they thought it would be and putting a lot of money and effort into Duskbloods and not knowing how that will go. As I keep saying, a full on BB remake will have to be just that. It will cost, it is a risk, and as much as we like to believe it will be this all amazing success...sadly we've recently seen big remakes not exactly making the kind of money that publishers think is enough despite making profit.
As for Bluepoint, Sony definitely hung them out to dry as is their way. They have done that to make bigger teams that made them much more money and launched many more consoles. Once they realised that team isn't suited for this live service push, and that the remakes weren't as profitable as they thought they'd be (bar the obvious ones) it was a simple choice for them.
But FROM aren't the all powerful developers making a shit ton of money right now that people seem to think they are, the arse is flapping after Nightreign isn't anywhere near as huge as they thought it would be and putting a lot of money and effort into Duskbloods and not knowing how that will go. As I keep saying, a full on BB remake will have to be just that. It will cost, it is a risk, and as much as we like to believe it will be this all amazing success...sadly we've recently seen big remakes not exactly making the kind of money that publishers think is enough despite making profit.
As for Bluepoint, Sony definitely hung them out to dry as is their way. They have done that to make bigger teams that made them much more money and launched many more consoles. Once they realised that team isn't suited for this live service push, and that the remakes weren't as profitable as they thought they'd be (bar the obvious ones) it was a simple choice for them.
I really do think its worth asking whether the hit rate on a big, multi-bazillion dollar live service game is actually better than making quality, proper games. All of the gaming industry's decision making seems based on "throw piles of cash at attempts to be the next Fortnite, that's a way more viable strategy than high quality single player games" and I'm really not sure that's the case.
Of course, if you somehow manage to spend 300m making a very similar sequel to your first Spiderman game the math changes. But that seems more a problem of overblown, absurd budgets than anything else.
Of course, if you somehow manage to spend 300m making a very similar sequel to your first Spiderman game the math changes. But that seems more a problem of overblown, absurd budgets than anything else.
Remaking a PS4 game from ground up would have been odd wouldn’t it? when I reckon most would be perfectly happy with a remaster which would be a lot cheaper to make.
And a company like Bluepoint wouldn't and didn't need that much.
It's never been about games for Sony, this isn't some company like Nintendo who soley relied on gaming in one form or another, or a M$ to whom the Xbox division was always a drop in the ocean...Sony need the Playstation brand to succeed at this point, it's over a third of the business. As soon as Nintendo pulled out of their Snes deal due to conflicting quality control rights, Sony went after the emerging market themselves. They fecked up with the god awful support and lack of internal expertise with the PS3, and then struck gold with the memory deal and the likes of From helping with the PS4. Now again on the PS5, they've got lucky that the Xbox division fecked up harder than them.
As for gaming budgets, I'm pretty sure my thoughts on the earlier GT games on this forum will map out in favour of what I was saying at the time about how it was handled and how it would spiral. @esmufc07 might remember some of the back and forth there
I've said it time and again in this thread, but I don't expect you to trawl back through it all so I'll restate:
No. Bloodborne can not be "remastered". If it were, no matter how good it looked it would still be 30fps due to the shite version of the engine they cobbled together to make it run on the PS4. And that would fail.
Any kind of update would need the full Demon Souls treatment. And that would cost far more, and earn similar to that title. It's not cost worthy enough for From right now, Sony clearly won't piss in Miyazaki's frosties to hand it out themselves because it's not worth it (and have just fecked over the one company talented enough), and ultimately it's considered niche enough to everyone involved to not make it make sense right now.
Will it happen at some point? Yeah, I'd say so. But From need more games like Elden Ring to take that risk, as their stock isn't as high as we all think right now. Or they need to get desperate enough.
Yeah but you do remember them keeping all their games on their own console right? I don’t rate them highly so it doesn’t bother me but I’m sure many others would prefer their games being multi platform. Agree that a U turn on the matter looks sloppy and misdirects gamers but I can see why they did it.
Nintendo aren’t consumer friendly either with their overpriced games, crap subscription offerings, no discounts, suing everything that walks and shutting down emulators.
Corporates and rich folks in general being bottom line chasers is the absolute norm.
I fully disagree with Sony’s new found live service chase but their single player games and consoles are still fantastic so I’m not going anywhere until there’s a better alternative which I don’t see happening for a long long time.
I can only think of spiderman 2 and ratchet and clank with wolverine on the way
Remastering spiderman 1 I wouldn’t count as a new game
But 3 is still 3 more than the likes of naughty dog
I vaguely remember you complaining it was a demo and people shouldn’t have to pay £20!And a company like Bluepoint wouldn't and didn't need that much.
It's never been about games for Sony, this isn't some company like Nintendo who soley relied on gaming in one form or another, or a M$ to whom the Xbox division was always a drop in the ocean...Sony need the Playstation brand to succeed at this point, it's over a third of the business. As soon as Nintendo pulled out of their Snes deal due to conflicting quality control rights, Sony went after the emerging market themselves. They fecked up with the god awful support and lack of internal expertise with the PS3, and then struck gold with the memory deal and the likes of From helping with the PS4. Now again on the PS5, they've got lucky that the Xbox division fecked up harder than them.
As for gaming budgets, I'm pretty sure my thoughts on the earlier GT games on this forum will map out in favour of what I was saying at the time about how it was handled and how it would spiral. @esmufc07 might remember some of the back and forth there
This new PSSR putting in work in RE 9. Looks as sharp as 4k with RT!
Shame. Was hoping for a sci-fi game.
The heavy whataboutism aside, and if you want to talk Nintendo take it to one of those threads and I'll tell you an actual shitty story about them and emulators as that's where I myself started, there's nothing wrong with picking the one machine you get per generation based on the likely games you want to play. There is plenty wrong with defending them to the hilt when they make continuous bad calls to try to cover up previous bad ones.
I have very deep ties with Sony and I can call out shite decisions when they happen. I'm not sure you guys are really getting it, but this has nothing to do with "the bottom line" nor single player games. But judging by the reactions from some of the Playstation fans, it's certainly doing it's intended job...let's just see how it plays out eh?
If anyone has access to FT can you post a summary
https://www.ft.com/content/264e27d9-04bc-4e99-b66b-f3838835d7c3
Sony battles £2bn lawsuit claiming UK PlayStation users are overcharged for games
https://www.ft.com/content/264e27d9-04bc-4e99-b66b-f3838835d7c3
Sony battles £2bn lawsuit claiming UK PlayStation users are overcharged for games
Basically accusing Sony of using the increase in digital games to feck over consumers more as they have a monopoly in the marketplace, they can therefore charge developers 30% commission which drives up how much everyone is paying for games. Sony's argument is that the increase is them covering the cost of the PS5 itself as that has a lower sale price and that having a rival marketplace would be bad for security. There's also a note about a similar lawsuit against Apple (who were also charging 30%) which was successful last year.
Who gets the 2b? Anyone who bought a game in the last few years? Quids in boys
It is really shite for some digital games. I want to try Indiana Jones but whenever it's on sale it goes from something like £60 to £55.
Yeah...but...Nintendo...
Anyone who has brought one in the last decade, would be around £162 per user.
Yeah, there are a few games that seem like they are always on sale but close enough to full price that it's never worth it.It is really shite for some digital games. I want to try Indiana Jones but whenever it's on sale it goes from something like £60 to £55.
Well...well...well...Almost as if like clockwork.
Again though, a huge pinch of salt with his "maybes". Again it's Schreier, and that last paragraph is even more stupid than usual.
Again though, a huge pinch of salt with his "maybes". Again it's Schreier, and that last paragraph is even more stupid than usual.
Just finished 'A Short Hike'
Really really enjoyed it. Nice sometimes just to play an easy, short game in between the massive games.
Anyone else played?
Really really enjoyed it. Nice sometimes just to play an easy, short game in between the massive games.
Anyone else played?
Lovely game. So simple but does what it does so well.
Yeah, loved it. Gems like this are what keeps gaming interesting.
I think when the new PSSR update hits, I'm going to play through Alan Wake 2, again. Because that game looked rough on the pro when I played it at launch.
I for one am glad @Bojan11 is being charged more.
I should send them screenshots of all the times I destroyed Lambo in these threads over the years.
Thanks to PS Plus, I'm playing and really enjoying Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown. This is an excellent metroidvania.