I agree with that. I wasn't referring to Poch in particular. I was pointing out that detractors tend to shift goal posts to avoid giving credit to managers they decided aren't good enough.
I actually wants to know what the current goal posts are, it wasn't a rhetorical question. I have seen every takes on Pochettino from both extremes and don't really know where the consensus is.
Poch winning the Ligue 1 won't change how anything thinks about him, winning the CL with that team though should elevate him to near, albeit slightly behind, the best though (I'd argue it would prove more of a man/ego managing side to him than tactical).
First question, impossible to answer and any answer is pure opinion. They're both very difficult tasks, not least because United have some fundamental issues in the entire club that need to be resolved.
Ole would not get close to the job, which is telling in itself.
Way to prove my point.
Doesn’t really make sense unless I subscribed to the idea ‘he’d get found out’. Do you disagree they should have won more?
Do you not think that setting the points record, points spread record, goals record, and wins record all in 1 season is dominating a league?
In the real world they've had a better team than Lyon and Monaco (2nd and 3rd most valuable squads in France by a clear margin) on paper since 2017.
Drops mic....
Well if you want to look at single seasons, yes of course I'd say his 17/18 & 18/19 were dominant. In the same way Conte dominated the league in his first season (also set a points record which probably hints at the state of the league given Leicester has just won it as well) and Klopp dominated in 19/20 but we're now talking about one of the longest serving current PL managers. The below isn't mentioning spending once although I assume you understand how that is a huge factor.
Can't remember I said anything about pre 2017. Falcao good was Falcao from 2017 to he was released on a free trannsfer? Mbappe haven't played for Monaco since 16/17, Silva and Mendy te same, James left in 2014, Martial left in 2015, Saint Maximin played 2 games for Monaco in his career and so on....
You went into a conversation about PSG failing to win the CL since QSI came in, why would you change the topic of the conversation and start it in 2017 when you are not part of it?
I was just arresting you for claiming:
Leipzig has in fact had a better team on paper than both those clubs since the start of the 17/18 season.
...so:
So you are arresting me from claiming that during the last decade Leipzig have not been on paper better than Monaco or Lyon by mentioning players that have done nothing, that are not better on paper and by not considering the last decade?
Haha! I obviously didn't follow the original discussion from the start, so sorry for off-tracking that conversation. I agree with you that playing in a weak league shouldn't hinder your chances of winning European trophies if your squad and manager is good enough. On paper that PSG squad is one of the strongest ever. Not on the pitch though, so it is all on PSG.
: I do think the Bundesliga is a lot better than Ligue 1 in quality though, with Leipzig being considerly better than both Lyon and Monaco or any other french team not called PSG. Just like I think West Ham, Leicester, Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton, Wolves and Villa would qualify for CL every year if they played in Ligue 1.....Also a bit wierd to use Leipzig as the measuring stick when comparing teams over the last decade when the club was founded in 2009 and was playing on the 4th tier 10 years ago. Dortmund would be a better comparison, but then again it would be even harder to use them obviously since they won the BL and were better for that whole period bar maybe the Monaco 16/17 season. Well....
Bundesliga is in my opinion the third best league. And no in that tier there isn't a team that is considerably better than the other, that's the kind of nonsense that does my head in. That's not the kind of gap that exists between this type of teams and it's a bit baffling that people keep making these points and think that it actually makes sense, when reality tells otherwise, just an example Lille have been struggling in Ligue 1 yet, they are top of the league above Sevilla and Wolfsburg that are doing far better in their respective leagues.Haha! I obviously didn't follow the original discussion from the start, so sorry for off-tracking that conversation. I agree with you that playing in a weak league shouldn't hinder your chances of winning European trophies if your squad and manager is good enough. On paper that PSG squad is one of the strongest ever. Not on the pitch though, so it is all on PSG.
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Well the disagreement was regarding Leipzig not Dortmund, it would be weird to disagree with something I agree with.
The problem is mbappe more than it is Pochettino. Once again, he missed an easy chance and their fan are starting to take notice, saying that mbappe is downing tools and has his head already at Madrid. No matter the manager,, if he is a £200m player and the league isn't that competitive, he should be easily top of the goal scoring chart. Even his expected goals is ridiculously high, which indicates he miss a lot of chances. I don't see how you can watch psg game and see how many chance they create and see the amount missed and say their isn't something wrong with their finishing. When you also account for that Pochettino has barely had a settled 11 to work with, he is the last of their problem at the moment.
Ask actual PSG supporters to see has he reached expectations thus far.
Sure thing, buddy.
If PSG fans aren't happy being 12 points clear and qualified easily from a tricky group, that says more about them than Poch.
glad you agree because you didn't say anything I said was wrong. Don't worry, I m typically right and it will take time for you to see it just like the others in the past. Heck even Tuchel didn't have psg playing this well and he wasnt as hamstrung as Pochettino. When Pochettino leaves, please don't change your opinion about him after seeing what the next manager does Most average managers would have that PSG group players well ahead of the rest in France.
I think you're going to need more smilies to keep reality out of your delusions, but for some reason I actually really do enjoy how obsessed you are when it comes to a manager of all things. They should do a psychology class on this. Do you even know what kind of team Tuchel had to play with at times compared to what Poch has at his disposal. Ah, what am I doing? Bringing pesky little facts into this fantasy where Poch is faultless and the best manager of all time. Carry on.
Tuchel complained about his time at psg and about his team. Pochettino inherited mostly the same team tuchel complained about and now has another massive ego in Messi who doesn't press and his off ball movement and position with addendum with mbappe and neymar means that Pochettino is more hamstrung than tuchel tactically. Moreover, the mbappe Poch has isn't the mbappe that is motivated to play, but rather already thinking about real Madrid. Tuchel had a better version of mbappe than Pochettino. Moreover, Pochettino hasn't had a settled, fit starting 11 to pick from, so he always has to alter his team and tactics. Even with such limitations, Pochettino did better in the league than tuchel did last season and already crushing him this season. In the champion league, he already beat the best team and lost the away leg by only 1 goal. All things said, please don't flip flop in the future, you will look even worse than the spurs fans on here when they wanted poch out and begging to have him back again
When the draw was made, that was thought of as a tougher group but one that City and PSG would get through. People probably thought that because of what they did to us last season. As it turns out, it hasn't been tricky but part of that is because of how PSG have navigated it.
Last years group included a RB Leipzig side who was the 2nd best in Germany and at the time of the group stage had the best home record in Europe. RB Leipzig regression is why it became a non tricky group for PSG this season however PSG was less than convincing against RB a narrow win at home and drew away.
You're not repeating that, you didn't say it before.
I told you yesterday there was no argument to be had. The strength of PSG squad up against a low quality French league is the reality of the situation and thats the case if I was stubborn or not.
Do you rate Ten Hag?
Check the ten hag thread. I rated him before he was popular and actually got abuse back then about what I said.
Oh ok fair enough. Was just wondering if Pochettino was the only manager likely available you believe can get back to winning ways.
What argument? Go back and read what I was saying. I said I'm not letting a spell at PSG determine whether Poch is or isn't good enough for us. Goodness.
So I was Ole in, what's that got to do with it?
I don’t think you are in any position to call peoples posts ridiculous. A lot of your posts are utter tripe.
