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I remember the jokes about Klopp, the Norwich Cup etc.

Pep for all his greatness has achieved nothing more than any other Man City Manager in recent times.

Poch built a Southampton then sold all their best players, and took a Spurs to dizzy heights, and was let down by squad burnout.

I say give him a chance, I have no doubt our style of play will be better within weeks, who knows what levels we can reach, but if he can take a spurs nearly all the way, he can take a United over the line.
 

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That very well may be the case but were those complaints persistent during his tenure as well, if not then it's actually different.
Not sure, I don't read all the articles. It was posted on caf few days ago.

Like @JPRouve said, maybe that article was nonsense, I have no idea. I didn't watch any of their league games and didn't follow them closely. So have to rely on what fans say on reddit or what some journalist post on Tuchel's time.
 

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It's possible to be critical and still be fine with Pochettino becoming United's manager. Some of you are way too dramatic about people doubts.
This. I‘m not 100% sold on Pochettino, BUT he is a hell of a lot better than OGS and I‘d definitely welcome him at this stage even if I have some reservations.
 

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Get him or not I just hope we stop the excuses for failure.
I'd love the CAF not to be the toxic cesspit it has been for years but nothing will change if we get Poch. People have made their mind up and will be hounding him out the door the minute he wins a game in unconvincing fashion
That true and toxic but the flip side is the other group that will be saying its not his fault, he needs more money, he needs one more year and on and on while we fail over and over again. I just wish we could all support the sht out of him, get to summer and assess and then get rid if he or any manager we get in is not up to standards. Ahh but its not so simple is it.
 

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“His hands are tied”
“He is being held hostage”
"No other manager has to deal with that superstar front 3"

Crazy the kind of excuses that are being made for him. You would think he was managing Sean Dyche’s Burnley on a shoestring budget judging by the way people rush to defend him on here. In reality he has one of the most expensive squads in the world and in the summer they strengthened it even further with Donnarumma, Hakimi, Ramos, Mendes Wijnaldum and fecking Messi.

Neymar from that 'superstar front 3' isn't even a problem from a work ethic perspective. His metrics show he's more than capable and willing to cover the distance. So this "Poch is forced to carry 3 passengers" notion is nonsense. The reality is that there are massive shortcomings in his tactics.

There are zero excuses for him, especially as the situation at United is almost identical. If he's struggling to implement a proper system at PSG, he has minimal chance of managing to implement one at United.
You're talking like he's sat in mid-table and got knocked out last night.
 

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Incorrect, sir.

When on earth did Tuchel coach Messi? And when did he change Neymars game?
It was about Neymar which is why I mentioned both managers. Neymar evolved from 2013 to 2017, he turned into a more disciplined player more willing to press and track back. When Neymar joined PSG he started by coasting and not doing his defensive job as well but by the end he was back doing it, he also had no issues being moved around in various systems.
 

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I dont think we should hire anyone but Ten Haag, we are competing against the very best managers in the world. I dont think Poch is up there, somehow the feeling of getting a manager that wont reach that heights would feel underwelming from the start.

Ten Haag on the other hand has the potential to over take Pep, Tuchel and Klopp, weather he does it or not is another subject but the potential is deffinitely there.
100% agree. I think Poch could do well here - improve our players and maybe get us in a title race but Ten hag is the best available option, he has the potential to do what Pep and klopp have done in my opinion.

If we are striving to be the best - ETH is the one. Worryingly quiet in the media though.

Poch just seems to be the option that suits the most people: our board, the English media, the French media, PSG, the country of Qatar, our rivals and their fans, even Spurs who aren't losing too much sleep now they have Conte.

Ten hag only benefits us.
 

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It was about Neymar which is why I mentioned both managers. Neymar evolved from 2013 to 2017, he turned into a more disciplined player more willing to press and track back. When Neymar joined PSG he started by coasting and not doing his defensive job as well but by the end he was back doing it, he also had no issues being moved around in various systems.
But ultimately it ended in the same result, Tuchel sacked due to problems with management and/or not winning the Champions League (which seems to be the goal of PSG).
 

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Get him or not I just hope we stop the excuses for failure.

That true and toxic but the flip side is the other group that will be saying its not his fault, he needs more money, he needs one more year and on and on while we fail over and over again. I just wish we could all support the sht out of him, get to summer and assess and then get rid if he or any manager we get in is not up to standards. Ahh but its not so simple is it.
As far as I'm concerned we should be a midfielder or two away from competing, (Christ we should have competed this season even with the current midfield) so I just want the best man for this squad

I feel this squad is better suited to a Poch or a Zidane than it is for a ETH or Conte but at the end of the day I have no strong desire for or against any of them (ok that is a lie because I didn't want Conte)
 

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Hes not doing brilliant in a team with better players than United. We can make the top 4 with an interim manager and be smarter in the summer. Just like I was saying when Oles head was on the line. The who and when also plays a part.
 

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What was his excuse when he left Spurs in disarray, languishing in the bottom half of the table?
It's a little misleading given one game later they were 6th, it was still early in the season.

By that point though I think time had just run its course and his head wasn't in it anymore, which all stemmed from a lack of backing from Levy until it was too late. It's not like it's gotten any better for Spurs since then, that's just the level of the squad now and Poch even said prior to leaving that they were heading for a "painful rebuild".
 

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But ultimately it ended in the same result, Tuchel sacked due to problems with management and/or not winning the Champions League (which seems to be the goal of PSG).
The CL had nothing to do with it and Tuchel also got sacked at Dortmund for his relationship with management.
 

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Hes not doing brilliant in a team with better players than United. We can make the top 4 with an interim manager and be smarter in the summer. Just like I was saying when Oles head was on the line. The who and when also plays a part.
Based on the interim names we've been linked with I'd be amazed if we finish top 4
 

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The CL had nothing to do with it and Tuchel also got sacked at Dortmund for his relationship with management.
Yes, but everyone lauds Tuchel and at the same time discounts Poch, Tuchel was known to have problems with his squad/management but when Poch does it's because he's not a good manager. The signings this summer have only added to the problems that have existed at PSG.
 

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How’s it been downhill since Spurs? He’s currently 11 points clear in France and whilst he lost to City last night they beat them in the first leg and have qualified from the group.

We’ll all agree Tuchel is a good manager and he was fired and sitting in third place this time last year, I remember people saying exactly the same thing after being fired from Dortmund and PSG that he’s a crap manager.

Theres pages and pages in the tuchel Chelsea thread when they hired him of how much of a flop he is.
Yet Tuchel has the highest win percentage of all time for PSG...

Hope United do get Poch as dont see him ever bringing you to the levels of competing with Pep, Klopp, Tuchel

Ten Haag is the only option that given time could potentially do so
 

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It's possible to be critical and still be fine with Pochettino becoming United's manager. Some of you are way too dramatic about people doubts.
I have my doubts on candidates including Poch but haven’t been dramatic about it.

People need to stop being dramatic about their candidate of choice by dismissing everyone else and appearing knowledgeable and edgy. Because it will just degenerate into toxicity.
 

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Yes, but everyone lauds Tuchel and at the same time discounts Poch, Tuchel was known to have problems with his squad/management but when Poch does it's because he's not a good manager. The signings this summer have only added to the problems that have existed at PSG.
Because Tuchel's team was better one the field while being more unbalanced and with a bench largely made of youth players. And no one said that Pochettino wasn't a good manager, people said that he was a good manager and not much else.
 

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Because Tuchel's team was better one the field while being more unbalanced and with a bench largely made of youth players. And no one said that Pochettino wasn't a good manager, people said that he was a good manager and not much else.
We'll just have to disagree, personally I think Tuchel's UCL final team was a lot more balanced than Poch's last night for example. He also had Veratti, Diallo, Sarabia, Icardi, Gueye and Draxler on the bench.
 

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Yes, but everyone lauds Tuchel and at the same time discounts Poch, Tuchel was known to have problems with his squad/management but when Poch does it's because he's not a good manager. The signings this summer have only added to the problems that have existed at PSG.
Many including myself were discounting Tuchel last year too. The same problems he had in Dortmund flared up in PSG. No one’s perfect and it’s easy to zoom into the negatives and magnify them instead of having a more balanced view/debate.

If ETH were willing to come in now and shows the same desire to take the United job I’d rather him. If we have to wait for both till the end of the season, and both are willing to join, I’d hold my judgment till then.
 

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Ole was the worst coach in the PL and possibly the worst ever according to around 70% on here.
If he can get top 4 they have zero excuses.
I expected this response, for better or worse Ole knew the squad, had its respect (even if it was just at a personal level) and until this season how to get a tune out of them, all these interims just don't fill me with any confidence at all (apart from Ragnick)
 

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Many including myself were discounting Tuchel last year too. The same problems he had in Dortmund flared up in PSG. No one’s perfect and it’s easy to zoom into the negatives and magnify them instead of having a more balanced view/debate.

If ETH were willing to come in now and shows the same desire to take the United job I’d rather him. If we have to wait for both till the end of the season, and both are willing to join, I’d hold my judgment till then.
I agree about Ten Hag, but I find it ridiculous to judge a manager based on his time at PSG, a club notorious for having a circus and toxic environment. As proven by the case of Tuchel, Ancelotti etc.
 

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We'll just have to disagree, personally I think Tuchel's UCL final team was a lot more balanced than Poch's last night for example. He also had Veratti, Diallo, Sarabia, Icardi, Gueye and Draxler on the bench.
Tuchel didn't manage them only one season and Pochettino has managed all the players that you mentioned without finding any sort of balance. One of the reason we know Tuchel is a better manager is because of his entire tenure at PSG, not just one season.
 

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Or maybe people are just not really convinced about Poch.
I think Ten Hag is the best option,
but I would not have moaned if we had gone for Conte or even Zidane, simply because they have proven how good they are, and in Ten Hag's case his philosophy and style is very clear to see.
With Poch I just dont see any of that. He has yet to win any major trophy and its at times very difficult to find out what his system is, the same issue we had with Ole.
On top of that the players he bought at Spurs where largely very bad.
I think the stuff in bold contradicts itself. No one in here, unless they've been an Ajax watching supporter for the last couple of years knows enough about Ten Hag to be convinced by him but people have seen Pochettino over 5 years or more and feel more comfortable saying he's not the one. There's less evidence to suggest Ten Hag would be successful in the PL, none in fact, but people also felt this way about Jardim and AVB.
 

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I think the stuff in bold contradicts itself. No one in here, unless they've been an Ajax watching supporter for the last couple of years knows enough about Ten Hag to be convinced by him but people have seen Pochettino over 5 years or more and feel more comfortable saying he's not the one. There's less evidence to suggest Ten Hag would be successful in the PL, none in fact, but people also felt this way about Jardim and AVB.
This is correct. Ten Hag may well be the next Pep however there's plenty of examples of promising coaches coming to the PL and really struggling.

I'd not say no to him but I simply don't get the narrative that Poch is far inferior given his experience and what he's achieved. He's operated in a number of different leagues now at different levels of club... And he's younger than Ten Hag.

Can't Pochettino improve?
 

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Tuchel didn't manage them only one season and Pochettino has managed all the players that you mentioned without finding any sort of balance. One of the reason we know Tuchel is a better manager is because of his entire tenure at PSG, not just one season.
Poch hasn't even finished one season as manager either. The signs were good last season, especially in the UCL despite just being manager for 2-3 months, you should admit that his performances against Bayern, especially in the first leg was excellent. Tuchel's equivalent first season he lost to a terrible United side in the round of 16 and Ole was manager.

The new signings has obviously made an already unbalanced squad (as you yourself mentioned) even more so. Yet, after just 3 months of football, despite basically nearly wrapping up the league and one defeat in the UCL against City all of Paris is up in arms :lol: .
 

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Well that’s the sort of high bar we should be aspiring to.
I agree. Just pointing out that certain posters are going to look silly claiming there are too many excuses for other managers, when Ole had every excuse imaginable made for him. The bar was generally ridiculously low during Ole's tenure, and I sincerely hope we move on from that.
 

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I think the stuff in bold contradicts itself. No one in here, unless they've been an Ajax watching supporter for the last couple of years knows enough about Ten Hag to be convinced by him but people have seen Pochettino over 5 years or more and feel more comfortable saying he's not the one. There's less evidence to suggest Ten Hag would be successful in the PL, none in fact, but people also felt this way about Jardim and AVB.
I actually watch Ajax quite regularly. The danish league is really boring so I have watched, dutch , german and english football for most of my life.
 

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This is correct. Ten Hag may well be the next Pep however there's plenty of examples of promising coaches coming to the PL and really struggling.

I'd not say no to him but I simply don't get the narrative that Poch is far inferior given his experience and what he's achieved. He's operated in a number of different leagues now at different levels of club... And he's younger than Ten Hag.

Can't Pochettino improve?
That's the question and being younger isn't that relevant when you started relatively young, Pochettino has managed for 12 years and hasn't really shown much improvements/evolutions during his Spurs tenure. While it's impossible that he does evolve, it's unlikely, as it unlikely for the vast majority of managers or players. People don't really have unlimited ability to improve.

As for ten Hag, he is a risk and one of the things in his favor is that his career as a manager has been shorter and his success more recent which makes people wonder where his ceiling actually is.
 

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Poch hasn't even finished one season as manager either. The signs were good last season, especially in the UCL despite just being manager for 2-3 months, you should admit that his performances against Bayern, especially in the first leg was excellent. Tuchel's equivalent first season he lost to a terrible United side in the round of 16 and Ole was manager.

The new signings has obviously made an already unbalanced squad (as you yourself mentioned) even more so. Yet, after just 3 months of football, despite basically nearly wrapping up the league and one defeat in the UCL against City all of Paris is up in arms :lol: .
I don't want to get stuck in that conversation, so I will only make one point. I'm not judging Pochettino on his PSG time, I'm judging him on his last 7 seasons and how he has evolved. You seem to think that it's about PSG since you mentioned it to someone else and that's a wrong premise.
 

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That's the question and being younger isn't that relevant when you started relatively young, Pochettino has managed for 12 years and hasn't really shown much improvements/evolutions during his Spurs tenure. While it's impossible that he does evolve, it's unlikely, as it unlikely for the vast majority of managers or players. People don't really have unlimited ability to improve.

As for ten Hag, he is a risk and one of the things in his favor is that his career as a manager has been shorter and his success more recent which makes people wonder where his ceiling actually is.
I think they are both risks in different ways however if you're looking at mitigation then Poch offers more with regards to his experience and having operated in England than Ten Hag. Ten Hag is exciting but also a gamble. I don't mind the club going for him providing they are committed to waiting it out and giving him what he needs, on and off the pitch.

I disagree about Pochettino mind. Good coaches are always learning, developing and evolving. You can only do that through experience though, both good and bad. I also think his age is important as Ten Hag is being painted as some young up and coming genius when in fact he's actually got a few years on Pochettino.
 

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I don't want to get stuck in that conversation, so I will only make one point. I'm not judging Pochettino on his PSG time, I'm judging him on his last 7 seasons and how he has evolved. You seem to think that it's about PSG since you mentioned it to someone else and that's a wrong premise.
I agree with you there, I'm more worried about his last season at Spurs than I am at his time at PSG but that was my point, using his time at PSG as a factor is really hard based on too many variables.
 

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Finishing second and getting to a major European cup final, hah, my man Ole did that last season ;)
True. CL is more major than EL though, surely?

Jokes aside, If anything he’s being overrated here, most including myself show him respect as a decent coach we just don’t think he will deliver trophies.
Yeah I’m not at all sure about whether he can do that either. The number of out and out Poch fanboys on here is vanishingly small though. I can only really think of the one who goes by the middle name of a composer from Salzburg.