You know he won several titles with Juve right? Including an unbeaten season I think.
if anything he will think he wasted 6 years at United.
Pogba's contract offer
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if anything he will think he wasted 6 years at United.
When's the earliest he can be officially released?
A quick google search tells me that PL clubs announced their released lists on June 3rd 2021 last year
A quick google search tells me that PL clubs announced their released lists on June 3rd 2021 last year
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Back to Juve then, cheers.
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Maybe he did not get offers.
Hes not good enough for the top level, we need better.
That's not strictly true, though.Pogba was one of if not the best midfielders in the world before his return to United. He claimed multiple league titles with Juve and 2 Serie A PotY awards. He also won the world cup with France.
I don't know what went wrong for him at United, but it's probably not entirely down to him. He wasn't coached effectively during Jose's and Ole's tenures - the fact not a single United player showed any sign of progression during that period is proof of that.
He may have an attitude problem; he posts too much shite on his instagram/twitter accounts, often at the wrong time, like after a defeat for example. I also think he allows himself to get easily influenced by those around him.
All said and done, I feel the club failed him as much as he failed the club.
He was never close to the best midfielder, not in the conversation.
He has 0 serie A POTY awards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serie_A_Footballer_of_the_Year
He was never that good for France or Juve, it was just a myth that Pogba fans seem to have made up.
A three year contract is surely not what he was wanting at 29, after picking up a lot of injuries. I guess it’ll give him one more chance of moving on a free transfer at 32.
Do clubs often give more than that for 29-30 years old players?
Never seen a player with so many excuses made for him, going back to Juve tells us everything we need to know about the player. Barca, Real & Bayern have zero interest in him.
So if Bayern, Barca or Real don't sign you then you are a lesser player?
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I mean, by all accounts the wage offers he is getting are not that high considering the complete lack of transfer fee and Barca are broke so looking for cheap options and Real can easily afford him. Why aren't they after him if hes so in demand. Few players will choose Juve over RM/Barca/Bayern if they come knocking.
Fantastic player in the right team in the right league but hes nowhere near motivated enough for the PL and doesn't have the capacity to be a big player in a less than stellar team. I'm sure he will be good for Juve again but that won't change my opinion of him. In the France team he is surrounded by ridiculous quality and international football is a slower pace which suits him.
As long as he isn't here come the start of next season I couldn't care less really where he ends up. Seems like a nice guy, just not United material.
I don't think people regularly watched him with Juve or even France. An extremely talented player who undoubtedly had great games, but he was never the heartbeat of either team. He just isn't that kind of player. If the team is good, he'll look good. But he's not someone who can improve a side through his mere presence.
I think at the end of the day, we just expected the wrong things from him. Good luck to him wherever he ends up but he's not going to be missed here.
In the end he's got what his limited effort over the last 6 years has deserved. A mediocre contract, and big pay cut, at a club who will be fighting for top four in Serie A.
Whatever dreams he had of that Gareth Bale-level contract at Real firmly in the gutter.
Whatever dreams he had of that Gareth Bale-level contract at Real firmly in the gutter.
Yeah, it is an underwhelming return for all parties involved: the player, because he thought better of himself; Juventus, because it shows how deep they fell from the top in just 5 years; and United, because their lack of success at club level still diminishes almost any player joining them.
No he wasn’t really.
At Juve, he was a young kid, breaking into a very good team, filled with top players, particularly in midfield.
He definitely shone and attracted a lot of attention and plaudits during those 4 seasons, being rated a top midfield prospect.
The claims he was one of the best midfielders in the world were premature and typical of the hype that surrounds such up and coming talent.
He came back to us at 23 and has now spent most of his senior playing career (the last 6 seasons) at Utd.
Now at 29, with a terrible injury record, he’s noticeably lost a lot of the energy and drive we saw, when he was that young kid.
Any new contract, with Juve or whoever, will take him into his early thirties and close to retirement.
We have no idea about what he offers any players get or don't get, so we can't really claim that x isn't after y. But in theory, not all players even good ones are a target for all clubs, because there is a matter of timing and profile. I don't really know why Real Madrid would want to sign Pogba when they already have veteran players as starters and the next generation backing them up, they need someone closer to the age of Valverde and Camavinga. Barcelona's main issue are wages and the ability to register players, they need to reduce their wage bill and sell players, signing Pogba isn't a great idea when you have Pedri and need to reduce your wage bill, even if they sell De Jong they need someone that is a good fit next to Pedri, Gavi and Busquest which isn't Pogba. The same pretty much applies to Bayern who have their midfield pairing set, they don't need a 29 years old player and Germany isn't the most attractive destination.
And that's of course ignoring the fact that they may not rate him, may worry about his injury record or that the player may not be interested in any of these clubs.
I'll miss the version of Pogba from 2016-2019, I won't miss the version of Pogba that came after that.
I can't stand Pogba and want him gone but regarding the part in bold. He made the Serie A team of the season 3 years on the bounce before we signed him so he must have been pretty damn good for Juve.
I really don't see how signing for juventus is that much of a step up to united with the current situation on and off the field, I think he is going back to them purely because he has a fragile ego and needs to be somewhere where he can play in his comfort zone which serie a is for him and will not receive harsh criticism like he would if he was at say united, Barca or madrid
Didn't this happen when he rejoined us as well? The guy cares more about his hair than fecking football.
Do you make the same remark for the vast majority of players that have clean haircuts every days of the year?
3 year contract at Juve. Just goes to show how little footballing worth he has left.
Yeah, it's been years since I checked his Juve stats. I should have said: he made Serie A team of the year on multiple occasions, but he never won PotY.
He's mostly performed well for France i the games I've seen him in. He won young player of the tournment in 2014 and followed that up by being named in the team of the tournament 2 years later.
I'm not making excuses for him, I'm as equally disappointed in him as the next United fan, but I don't think his failure is as black and white as many think.
Just think of all the big name/big money signings (relatively speaking) made by our club post-Fergie, and you'll quickly discover that none of them managed to make any real impact. Pogba, Di Maria, Falcao, Bastian (won't attempt his Surname), Miki, Sanchez, Memphis, AWB, Lukaku, Lindelof, Bailly, Maguire, Fred, Martial, the list is near-endless. Varane and Sancho were mediocre last season to put it mildly.
The law of averages suggests at least one of them should have been an outright success. But no, not a single one. It makes no sense. Clearly, something is very wrong at the club, be that bad management, poor coaching or a lack of, no leadership from top to bottom, the wrong managers, etc. Pick your poision, they're all factors to one degree or another.
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Yes, Pogba failed, but so did every other signing post-Fergie. The only real success is Bruno, and let's be honest, he just had a terrible season too.
Pogba didn't perform well for France until 2016. People largely wanted him benched before the tournament started.
Pogba's incesant tweeting is part of the issue for me. It rubs fans up the wrong way to see him smiling and larking about on social media after the club just suffered yet another major defeat.
Pogba doesn't tweet often, let alone incessantly. If that's what people have an issu with then there is something genuinely wrong with them, especially when you don't have to follow him.
3 years contract when youre 29 is a bad deal. I guess Real Madrid and PSG were never really interested then. Quite ironic considering how often Pogba thinks hes above manchester united just because he won a WC.
Pogba has had 6 seasons and I can't recall him having one good consistent season so thats on him not the club. Plenty of players have very good seasons although most have struggled for consistency.
No, I only make that remark about players that look like they don't give a shit when they play but look like they have put a considerable amount of thought into their haircut.
I wouldn't say it was the overriding factor, but it definitely contributes to the negativity surrounding him. Look at the reaction in this thread when he tweets his latest hair-do or odd training techniques - often following a loss - they're almost always negative. It makes him look like he couldn't care less that the team just lost 4-0 again. If we were winning or at least performing well, nobody would care.
Personally, I couldn't care less what he does on social media in fairness, but not everyone feels that way.
probably get 12 months footy out of him
Don't think he'll be great at Juve this time around. Pogba is the type of player who's useful when you already have a strong midfield, as Juve did during his first spell there. He's not somebody you build your midfield around.
I'd say plenty of players have had average/mediocre seasons, like Pogba, but very few have had good seasons. Bruno had one exceptional season where he literally tore it up but has dropped off markedly since then.
I'm looking at the reactions and they are moronic. And let's be clear about something, you started the all thing with claiming that he tweets incessantly which is wrong, he has something like a dozen of tweets in the last two months, you then use the reactions of what can only be described as idiots because for some strange reason, they are the first to know when Pogba or anyone they dislike posts something which is suspicious in itself.