I know what you mean but its not a certainty, jose is being undermined by an accountant who knows feck all and has decided before the window opened not to back the manager after recently extending his contract, Im sure Jose thought he was getting players in and getting rid of others, how would you feel in the same situation if youd been as successful as Jose, Ed has just pulled the rug from underneath him when the team needed to be improved after some progress, Ed has made baffling decisions extending his contract then not backing him, its ridiculous.
[Poll Added] Mourinho or Woodward, Keep One To Take Us Forward
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I know what you mean but its not a certainty, jose is being undermined by an accountant who knows feck all and has decided before the window opened not to back the manager after recently extending his contract, Im sure Jose thought he was getting players in and getting rid of others, how would you feel in the same situation if youd been as successful as Jose, Ed has just pulled the rug from underneath him when the team needed to be improved after some progress, Ed has made baffling decisions extending his contract then not backing him, its ridiculous.
I doubt Woodward is sitting in his office deciding by himself. He answer to the owners, and a replacement will do as well. If true that he overruled our transfers this summer, he didn't do so without the blessing of the board, thus another chairman would've done the same.
Criticising him for the actual implementation of his job is fine, but the strategic decisions would remain fairly the same with or without him.
Criticising him for the actual implementation of his job is fine, but the strategic decisions would remain fairly the same with or without him.
Back Jose, Sack Woodward.
If Mourinho goes before Woodward then he should go the day after. If we can't make the Mourinho appointment work then we shouldn't trust Woodward to pick the next manager and deal with transfers anymore.
We don't want to blame Mourinho, so lets sack the guy who's job/role we haven't got a clue about.
Get rid of the owners. It is they who dictate how much is spent. Perisic would’ve made a big difference last summer and now this farce. An absolute curse on the club. If somebody predicted this and City’s lottery win you’d have laughed.
OH now I see where your opinion on Martial came from - the Jose tinted glasses.
Forward & Future - the words of this thread - the words that have never been related to Jose. No way Jose
Did you read the question in the thread title?
That's what im thinking as well, it's not like the Glazers spent all that money to buy the club only to let one man have total control over every major decision. What is he, their favorite son? A lot of people seem to assume it's Woodward calling the shots alone but I'm sure most things go through the board, maybe he has the final say but I'd imagine that it'd be similar to when Fergie listened to his scouting team and his brother before making a final decision himself. He isn't blameless but to claim that Jose is being overruled by an accountant is a hilariously melodramatic statement.
Both need to go.
Yeah. He’s sanctioned the signing of a load of dross. Managers and players alike. The club has been a mess since to took over. Horrible management all over.
Jose looks like he’s lost the squad and he should go too. I feel sorry for him. I don’t particularly like many of these players but player power is obviously where it’s at within this club anyway. When it’s all said and done, I hope Ed’s suddenly backing the players over the manager (right after giving him a new contract) and not giving him signings he saw as essential is not just another stark example of how badly the club is being run at the very top. I fear the worst though. We are currently a bad JOKE especially when you consider the money spent over the last 6 years. That’s on Woodward not having a plan and moving super slowly on lots of football stuff.
We probably need to get rid of both and do a hard reset and clear out quite a few of the playing staff as well. Don't see us seriously challenging for a major trophy in the next 10 years to be honest.
List of elements that needs to leave this club (Sorted from Moyes to Dong Fangzhou)
1. Glazers
2. Edward "Monchi" Woodward
3. Jose Mourinho
4. Half of some of the players wages
5. Darmian
6. Phil Jones
7. Mata
1. Glazers
2. Edward "Monchi" Woodward
3. Jose Mourinho
4. Half of some of the players wages
5. Darmian
6. Phil Jones
7. Mata
Agreed. Woodward appointed Mourinho and gave him his contract extension - he must therefore share some of the blame for the manager's failings, and for the hefty payoff José will get on the way out. He'll no doubt feck up the next appointment and have us looking like mugs in many a transfer window to come.
The whole club is a shitshow from top to bottom - I'd happily see the back of just about everyone - owners, execs, the manager, the players - except perhaps De Gea, Carrick, and a few of the younger lads.
Woodward the feck out.
That is actually very important factor.
Many of them play like literal shit and not for one season perform a decent title race since SAF left. Not even close to putting a pressure on 1st place. Everton wage level at best for some of them.
Woodward doesnt need to go. He can still focus on the sponsorships. But him having control over signings and negotiations for that is where he needs help.
No they didn’t.
Richard Arnold is in charge of the commercial side aka sponsorship, not Woodward.
Can rubbish that City documentary all you like but it showed nuts and bolts meetings where the suits were reasoning through signings and contracts in a way that dovetailed as much as possible with the overall strategy of the owner's representative and the manager's ideas. Dread to imagine the comparative dysfunction at Utd.
1. Glazers need to demote Woodward the commercial side only.
2. Appoint a director of football. A decision which should be made with committee of important footballing men which MUST Include Sir Alex and Sir Bobby. Not by themselves and Woodward.
3. Allow this newly appointed DOF, to at least let mourinho have his say. For the remainder of the season. Or at least half a season.
4. If things don’t work out. Fire mourinho and hire jardim or a good attacking based head coach.
5. Offer a good new contract for De Gea.
6. Let all the dead wood run down their new contracts.
7. Sell Sanchez to a Chinese team.
8. Get the new DOF and new head coach to work together and start getting some Manchester fecking United players.
2. Appoint a director of football. A decision which should be made with committee of important footballing men which MUST Include Sir Alex and Sir Bobby. Not by themselves and Woodward.
3. Allow this newly appointed DOF, to at least let mourinho have his say. For the remainder of the season. Or at least half a season.
4. If things don’t work out. Fire mourinho and hire jardim or a good attacking based head coach.
5. Offer a good new contract for De Gea.
6. Let all the dead wood run down their new contracts.
7. Sell Sanchez to a Chinese team.
8. Get the new DOF and new head coach to work together and start getting some Manchester fecking United players.
Woodwum gave him a contract in january, then refused to back him in the summer. What kind of a normal person would do something like that? I don't trust this hillbillie to make a single good footballing decision for this club after all the shit he has done. The toxicity starts with the Glazers and him. We can all bash Jose as much as we like, I wan't him gone in the morning but fact is Ed is the one who hired him and Ed is the one who made the neanderthal decision of extending his contract for literally no reason. Now Ed suddenly thinks he's Steven Segal and goes against the managers wishes, but then why the feck give him a contract extension ffs!? He can take his sponsorship deals and shove them up both his own and the Glazers arse because no top 4 this season and our biggest one (Adidas) will bail and we will wear puma like arsenal.
Interesting
So woodward is soley focused on signings? That makes him come off even worse
It's a really tough question. Woodward is the common denominator in our recent failures to really challenge for a title.
But, despite what you can say about him hamstringing the manager or not backing him, Jose has to do better with his squad. It's not a weak squad by any stretch of the imagination. There are no excuses for our inability to put together consistently quality performances, no excuses for our failure to get the basics right in terms of movement, there doesn't appear to be a philosophy being embedded. The fact that our go-to plan is "lump it to Fellaini" is proof that we are tactically non-existent. It isn't the only cause of our problems but the lack of proper coaching is a massive contributor.
But, despite what you can say about him hamstringing the manager or not backing him, Jose has to do better with his squad. It's not a weak squad by any stretch of the imagination. There are no excuses for our inability to put together consistently quality performances, no excuses for our failure to get the basics right in terms of movement, there doesn't appear to be a philosophy being embedded. The fact that our go-to plan is "lump it to Fellaini" is proof that we are tactically non-existent. It isn't the only cause of our problems but the lack of proper coaching is a massive contributor.
Woodward is a clown he should be put anyways
Signed Fellaini for more than his bloody release clause and gave him an extension
Gave Rooney a ludicrous contract extension
Similar for Sanchez
Signed Mara for 40m spent a feckingn load under lvg on dross
fecking imposter
Signed Fellaini for more than his bloody release clause and gave him an extension
Gave Rooney a ludicrous contract extension
Similar for Sanchez
Signed Mara for 40m spent a feckingn load under lvg on dross
fecking imposter
Glazers will never sack Woodward he is generating them money. Sadly either back Jose or sack him, not sure why the extension of his contract was needed that early.
Jose has to take most of the blame for his incredibly short-sightedness. Very poor signings considering all the great deals made in the lasr 3 years. Poor football is 100% on him, transfers failues too and as such i don't blame the board or Ed for their reluctance on throwing more money into the drain. Most importantly, just look at the pitch performances, the lack of offball runs, shape, inability to create spaces and favourable positions to pass and receive passes. How then can we possibly blame Woodward?
We've been shite since he took over as Chief Executive. It's not a coincidence.
Mourinho, it's not even a contest.
Klopp, LVG sound out and the mess now and back then around our transfer priority in name, all have Woodward name written al, over it: the club run more as business than around football matter.
Perhaps he listened to somebody else as you guys said, but if his role is to make final decisions and he doesn't have ability to think for himself to carry the responsibility of the job then he and his advisors need sacking. We have been much worse than even one understanding a huge transition post SAF.
Look of it like this, Perez could get voted out of presidency at Madrid if he didn't fulfill his role keeping the football performance on track. He has been absolutely great at turning Madrid from a debt ridden club into a financial powerhouse. Yet he was hauled out when his first Galaticos failed to meet expectation. He couldn't excuse himself as non football man. Perez second stint learned from his failure. He might still make big mistake yet he is more knowledgeable and takes responsibility for his action.
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It's a moot point. There is no way on this planet Woodward will be forced out whilst the Glazers are the owners. Anyway, he's a top draw corporate CEO and yeah as @Infestissumam points out whenever will pull off a big transfer everyone thinks Woodward is great.
Our manager has made the majority of our players worse and tonight was schooled from someone who didn't sign a single player this season. Mourinho is the past and managers a la Poch are the future, it won't be easy but we've got to make a call on this sooner rather than later.
Our manager has made the majority of our players worse and tonight was schooled from someone who didn't sign a single player this season. Mourinho is the past and managers a la Poch are the future, it won't be easy but we've got to make a call on this sooner rather than later.
Hear hear.
Everyone can be pretty sure Woodward has huge say in extension of Mourinho contract. Who the feck are we here? I meant same one who has been making big decision so far likely to continue to make decision. Just because Mourinho deserves the boot, doesn't mean we're so assured with the same decision makers' appointment of new managers. Would be same shite of trying to get the high profile managers available then have no clue to give proper backing and end up at square one with manager get frustrated.
We do understand that Jose realised he needed a leader in the centre of defence, Bailly and Lidelhof are young and need an experienced leader to lean on. Smalling and Jones are what they always have been , average, and Jose wanted a leader there and a winger.
Over to Woody, he asked do the players get clicks on social media? and are they young with sell on value? How the heck is that building a team to compete in a physical league, the club is still hamstrung from overpaid, average players from LVG and it shows. Certainly the construction of the side needs to be a bit more adventurous but Martial was supposed to bring that and he is like Pogba, more a spoilt child who can't take criticism and shirks the hard graft needed to be successful in the EPL. It's not the French league where laziness is covered by poor opposition.
Woody has not backed his manager, which is unbelievable when measured against his inter city rivals, makes no sense at all. History of success will soon be forgotten by the kids coming through, who will see Citeh on their iPhones /games and start following them.
What a disaster , Woody as captain of the good ship Glazer Utd, no doubt he will stay on board while it sinks below the waves.
Over to Woody, he asked do the players get clicks on social media? and are they young with sell on value? How the heck is that building a team to compete in a physical league, the club is still hamstrung from overpaid, average players from LVG and it shows. Certainly the construction of the side needs to be a bit more adventurous but Martial was supposed to bring that and he is like Pogba, more a spoilt child who can't take criticism and shirks the hard graft needed to be successful in the EPL. It's not the French league where laziness is covered by poor opposition.
Woody has not backed his manager, which is unbelievable when measured against his inter city rivals, makes no sense at all. History of success will soon be forgotten by the kids coming through, who will see Citeh on their iPhones /games and start following them.
What a disaster , Woody as captain of the good ship Glazer Utd, no doubt he will stay on board while it sinks below the waves.
The charade of blaming Woody has to stop, it's just a lame excuse.
When the window started Jose was on about Young and Valencia playing 40 games and spent a inordinate time wooing fecking Fellaini. Woody has been part of signings bigger than likes of Toby and Harry and at that late, we were getting fleeced.
I can't believe Mous spent time bigging up Fellaini and we didn't even tackle fullback and right winger..... Still!
Out with Mou.
When the window started Jose was on about Young and Valencia playing 40 games and spent a inordinate time wooing fecking Fellaini. Woody has been part of signings bigger than likes of Toby and Harry and at that late, we were getting fleeced.
I can't believe Mous spent time bigging up Fellaini and we didn't even tackle fullback and right winger..... Still!
Out with Mou.
Ed out, chronic under-investment in the squad. He was told we needed a CB, he was told more signings were needed or it would be a difficult season, he had a list of targets for months. He did nothing.
City spent on buying a Premier league winner, Liverpool spent breaking the world record fee for a goalkeeper, we bought a 19 year old, a guy who played in the Ukranian league, and Stoke's back up goalkeeper. And that's just this transfer window.
We have been under-investing in the squad since SAF's last years, and we all know it.
City spent on buying a Premier league winner, Liverpool spent breaking the world record fee for a goalkeeper, we bought a 19 year old, a guy who played in the Ukranian league, and Stoke's back up goalkeeper. And that's just this transfer window.
We have been under-investing in the squad since SAF's last years, and we all know it.
Unless Ed changes his ways, we'll probably never challenge for the league, whoever is managing the squad.
I'm hoping he hires a Director of Football and then stays the feck away from footballing decisions.
I'm hoping he hires a Director of Football and then stays the feck away from footballing decisions.
We have underinvested in the squad from the Glazers took over untill LVG was appointed. Only reason fans did not understand this was SAF saying "i see no value in the market" and in 2005 til 2009 we had a great squad that needed no investment to keep up with the best in Europe. And it helps having SAF as manager also(the squad he win the league with in his final season was on pair with Leichester best 11). And when LVG was appointed the squad was already so underinvested that the club needed to spend big.
From 2014 till 2019 the investments have been high, and i would not call it underinvestment. More like bad investments.
Latest example: Fred for £55m. I know that its still early days and he can improve, but he is a messy player. Losing the ball due to no awareness over who is around him and in general sloppy passing. If strengthening our midfield was an issue then we should rather have spent that money on Torreira (£22,5m) and JM Seri (£30m).
Both should go. But if Woodward stays and is involved in football related task, like managing contracts and transfers, then we will never challange for any title of importance.
But this will never happen as Woody produces $$$$$ for the owners. And that is the main objective of this club, not trophies or anything else.
Keep Woodward. Let Mourinho go.
and it isn't even close.
and it isn't even close.
Ed demoted to take care of signing just noodle sponsorship would do. How many managers are we going to sacrifice to realize the problem is elsewhere.