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Ole aside, who would you pick to manage the club?But thats the point. We dont need a manager who won the CL, we need a mansger with the right philosophy. That why Ole is the first manager in 5 years to get itdone right.
Ole aside, who would you pick to manage the club?But thats the point. We dont need a manager who won the CL, we need a mansger with the right philosophy. That why Ole is the first manager in 5 years to get itdone right.
I've already addressed your criticism of Marco Rose in my earlier posts. Even if I wasn't addressing you directly.I don't know what on earth that has to do with the post you quoted but no, I do not. And I am basing this on the fact that I find it very hard to believe Chelsea will collapse all of a sudden while we continously keep on winning. If we brought in Ole sooner then I would believe we could get it 100% but I am afraid with the 11 point gap in place when we did the change the damage was already done. They dithered around and waited too long to sack Mourinho and it will cost us top 4 but honestly I couldn't care less. If they get the next appointment right then we will get it easy providing none of our top players leave.
And do you feel better about yourself now that you got that confirmed? Besides the word you are looking for is realistic. Nothing Chelsea have done so far suggests they are going to drop more than 8 points while we keep on winning every game. Just one draw from us combined with a Chelsea win and the gap would be 10. Because they waited to long to sack Jose we have basically put ourselves in a position where margin for error is almost non existable. You might call this a "defeatist attitude" But I call it logical thinking. It is not mathematically over yet and anything can happen but it is very unrealistic to expect it to happen. And besides, Ole wasn't even brought in with an expectation to deliver top 4, he was brought in to bring back joy and life to a depressing and dying club.I've already addressed your criticism of Marco Rose in my earlier posts. Even if I wasn't addressing you directly.
Just wanted to make sure, you were one of the many fans, with the defeatist attitude regarding our top 4 hopes.
Chelsea and Tottenham are playing in top gear right now, they're both very much beatable on the day, they don't have another level to go to like Liverpool and City. Expect them to drop way more points than that.And do you feel better about yourself now that you got that confirmed? Besides the word you are looking for is realistic. Nothing Chelsea have done so far suggests they are going to drop more than 8 points while we keep on winning every game. Just one draw from us combined with a Chelsea win and the gap would be 10. Because they waited to long to sack Jose we have basically put ourselves in a position where margin for error is almost non existable. You might call this a "defeatist attitude" But I call it logical thinking. It is not mathemstically over yet and anything can happen but it is very unrealistic to expect it to happen. And besides, Ole wasn't even brought in with an expectation of deliver top 4, he was brought in to bring back joy and life to a depressing and dying club.
A 8 point lead can be overturned by this group of players, 'that's realistic'. We've over turned bigger deficits before, chasing high flying Newcastle and Arsenal. Arsenal have also beaten us to a title after being 12 points behind. Our attack is better than Chelsea's IMO. Chelsea still need to come to OT too.And do you feel better about yourself now that you got that confirmed? Besides the word you are looking for is realistic. Nothing Chelsea have done so far suggests they are going to drop more than 8 points while we keep on winning every game. Just one draw from us combined with a Chelsea win and the gap would be 10. Because they waited to long to sack Jose we have basically put ourselves in a position where margin for error is almost non existable. You might call this a "defeatist attitude" But I call it logical thinking. It is not mathematically over yet and anything can happen but it is very unrealistic to expect it to happen. And besides, Ole wasn't even brought in with an expectation of deliver top 4, he was brought in to bring back joy and life to a depressing and dying club.
Chelsea have no striker, we have depth better than Chelsea, and I argue a better midfield. Jose has knee capped us with his latest third season meltdown, which started in February 2018, where Ole never had the chance to play any sides twice, so hes left to play the tortoise and the hareA 8 point lead can be overturned by this group of players, 'that's realistic'. We've over turned bigger deficits before, chasing high flying Newcastle and Arsenal. Arsenal have also beaten us to a title after being 12 points behind. Our attack is better than Chelsea's IMO. Chelsea still need to come to OT too.
Ole was brought in due to our last manager doing a terrible job. No one at the club has given up on top 4, and that includes Ole. Ole doesn't have a defeatist mentality, and his playing career is a testament to that.
Honestly I don't even know why you decided to take the thread of topic. I thought this was a thread do discuss our next managerial candidates, no? Let's agree to stick to that discussion and leave the discussion about our top 4 chances to the top 4 thread.A 8 point lead can be overturned by this group of players, 'that's realistic'. We've over turned bigger deficits before, chasing high flying Newcastle and Arsenal. Arsenal have also beaten us to a title after being 12 points behind. Our attack is better than Chelsea's IMO. Chelsea still need to come to OT too.
Ole was brought in due to our last manager doing a terrible job. No one at the club has given up on top 4, and that includes Ole. Ole doesn't have a defeatist mentality, and his playing career is a testament to that.
I posted the MEN article yesterday..
Sorry, just realised, I am a bit behind on thisI posted the MEN article yesterday..
No worries mate, I guess it'll save people time scrolling back, especially the ones that haven't come across the article yet.Sorry, just realised, I am a bit behind on this
Because poch and zidane are world class managers, who will have other high paying offers whilst Ole wont. Its basic supply and demand.Imo, one of the differences between Ole and the likes of Poch and Zidane is that Ole wants the job regardless of pay, he simply wants to manage the club he loves.
I reckon Ole would be paid less than half of than what Poch or Zidane would want. Would messers Poch or Zidane still want the job on similar terms? .....I doubt it.
Tuchel is not available and won't be because he is doing a good job with PSG. I don't think he would be sacked even if PSG went out to us in the CL, they think his style of football is good and would want to give him time.Also this is just my personal opinion, I mean who knows maybe someone like Marco Rose would do wonders but I dare to say it is a fact it would be a big risk giving him the job so I would favor going for the likes of Poch, Zidane, and even Tuchel. Based on what I just have written you might think I am contradicting myself by mentioning Zidane but I would not want him based on only his CL triumphs but because he proved he could adapt to various scenarios and also seemed to be phenomenal in terms of man management. He would also contribute to attracting the absolute top players across the world in wanting to join us and would be highly respected by everyone.
Other than the sun and men article, anywhere else?The Rose stories seem to be picking up some traction.
I read it yesterday on F365 and then seen some links on here. The story I read was that he's on a 5 man shortlist.Other than the sun and men article, anywhere else?
That's the Sun article rehashed by F365. To my knowledge, F365 isn't big on exclusives, merely regurgitates the same thing found elsewhere and publishes fan mail as well.I read it yesterday on F365 and then seen some links on here. The story I read was that he's on a 5 man shortlist.
8 games with 1 goal - yes. 4x Champions league (2 vs. Utd) and 4x league (vs. Roma and Inter who both want to qualify for CL and Torino + Genua). Overall 38 goals in 19 games (average 2 per game) in a defence league.You are right, it's actually worse. They have 8 games so far this season where they have only scored 1 goal with an attack that is out of this world. Allegri would be even more daft than the hirings of LVG and Mourinho because it would be proof the board has literally learned nothing from their mistakes.
The point is not whether Allegri, Mourinho and LvG have similar styles. Yes, they are vastly different. But all 3 of them are not as exciting as the truly attacking coaches mentioned.8 games with 1 goal - yes. 4x Champions league (2 vs. Utd) and 4x league (vs. Roma and Inter who both want to qualify for CL and Torino + Genua). Overall 38 goals in 19 games (average 2 per game) in a defence league.
Seria A is not like La Liga where the smaller teams get slaugthered close to the 2 digit figures.
Also putting LvG and Mourinho in 1 sentence if they were the same type of coach only shows one thing -> that YOU sir should reflect more about the game and it's finesse.
LvG has possesion oriented game ("if the opponent doesn't have the ball he can't score") Mourinho defence over anything. The board went in 2 different directions/tried different strategies.
Furthermore Mourinho wasn't a mistake! Just his methods doesn't work for more than 2 years as it appears.
Watching Chelsea they leave a lot to be desired, not very impressive at all. Unfortunately though I think we have too much catching up to do.Chelsea and Tottenham are playing in top gear right now, they're both very much beatable on the day, they don't have another level to go to like Liverpool and City. Expect them to drop way more points than that.
Of course he would, but I don't think we're appointing someone because of how much we have to pay him.I did not say Ole should get the job, but that unlike others, he’d want the job regardless of pay.
Keep the faith! We'll catch them if we manage to take some points off the top 4 during the run in. Also, my main reason for thinking we will is that Sarri doesn't rotate his squad. He sticks with the same 13 players or so all season and as someone who isn't used to the PL, this will be the reason for their end of season slump.Watching Chelsea they leave a lot to be desired, not very impressive at all. Unfortunately though I think we have too much catching up to do.
Is our support really craving that though? Is that because City and Liverpool is playing that way? I don't see high pressing as anything neccessary for success. I don't think anyone would complain if Allegri came and turned us in to contenders.The point is not whether Allegri, Mourinho and LvG have similar styles. Yes, they are vastly different. But all 3 of them are not as exciting as the truly attacking coaches mentioned.
The fact is, they are pragmatic managers. Number of goals scored does not imply attacking football, if you remember Mourinho's 4-0s where we played shite but scored 4 a game. Its' the use of high energy press, quick one touch passes, winning the ball high up the pitch, etc that define the type of football our support is craving for. And I am not sure Allegri can provide that with consistency.
Allegri is a fine manager and could even adapt to our demands maybe, but for now, I am not interested in giving a chance to another pragmatic manager even if it means we will win the league. The last 4 years have scarred us too much with the soporific football on display.
You know, before making statements like this you should at least bother to read the post properly. Could you highlight where I said LVG and Mourinho was the same tactically? All I said was that the both of them were mistakes due to having tactics that was destined to never suceed at this club.8 games with 1 goal - yes. 4x Champions league (2 vs. Utd) and 4x league (vs. Roma and Inter who both want to qualify for CL and Torino + Genua). Overall 38 goals in 19 games (average 2 per game) in a defence league.
Seria A is not like La Liga where the smaller teams get slaugthered close to the 2 digit figures.
Also putting LvG and Mourinho in 1 sentence if they were the same type of coach only shows one thing -> that YOU sir should reflect more about the game and it's finesse.
LvG has possesion oriented game ("if the opponent doesn't have the ball he can't score") Mourinho defence over anything. The board went in 2 different directions/tried different strategies.
Furthermore Mourinho wasn't a mistake! Just his methods doesn't work for more than 2 years as it appears.
I don't know much about him interesting mate: https://www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/marco-rose-line-become-next-bundesligas-great-manager/We've been linked to Marco Rose in tonight's papers.
Anyone have an idea of his style?
Yes that is what fans are craving after the tumescent football we've watched the last few years. We want a modern attacking manager. You've already seen how high pressing can contribute to our attack as we win the ball back in a dangerous area of the pitch.Is our support really craving that though? Is that because City and Liverpool is playing that way? I don't see high pressing as anything neccessary for success. I don't think anyone would complain if Allegri came and turned us in to contenders.
I didn't say that either. So if you criticise me for not reading carefully make sure you do before...You know, before making statements like this you should at least bother to read the post properly. Could you highlight where I said LVG and Mourinho was the same tactically? All I said was that the both of them were mistakes due to having tactics that was destined to never suceed at this club.
Who isn't these days? Every coach including Klopp Guardiola etc. want to build the football from a solid defence. Don't get me wrong not everyone let a solid 6-defence chain play but in professional football on high level there is nothing else you can do.The point is not whether Allegri, Mourinho and LvG have similar styles. Yes, they are vastly different. But all 3 of them are not as exciting as the truly attacking coaches mentioned.
The fact is, they are pragmatic managers. Number of goals scored does not imply attacking football, if you remember Mourinho's 4-0s where we played shite but scored 4 a game. Its' the use of high energy press, quick one touch passes, winning the ball high up the pitch, etc that define the type of football our support is craving for. And I am not sure Allegri can provide that with consistency.
Allegri is a fine manager and could even adapt to our demands maybe, but for now, I am not interested in giving a chance to another pragmatic manager even if it means we will win the league. The last 4 years have scarred us too much with the soporific football on display.
You did though, the exact thing I highlighted. And that thing you said about Moyes is 10/10 logic. What are you talking about when you say "Solutions" If you mean managers I have already mentioned candidates on multiple occassions in this thread.I didn't say that either. So if you criticise me for not reading carefully make sure you do before...
You said the board would make the same mistake. First of all Mourinho wasn't a mistake LvG either (arguably). Both won titles but the crux is that both weren't able to meet the expectations which are still high after the golden years of SAF.
I even wouldn't call Moyes a mistake -> he was the one to sacrifise simply.
So due you only destructivly criticise offer me some other solutions which are available. (I know defacto Allegri is currently not available but there were rumours that he wanted to leave the club anyway).
Usually I am not looking through the 3 pages between the alert and the last post. If you want to talk with me about that then in the post you answer to me!You did though, the exact thing I highlighted. And that thing you said about Moyes is 10/10 logic. What are you talking about when you say "Solutions" If you mean managers I have already mentioned candidates on multiple occassions in this thread.
ThisNot being funny but how many of those pining for Marco Rose have actually seen more than a couple of Salzburg games, if any? It feels an awful lot like people trying to predict the next big name manager rather than what we actually need in the here and now.
Well besides watching last years EL, this years EL watch has been even better. Obviously, more notice has been taken this year, as it proves last year wasn’t a fluke. It’s kind of how it works.Not being funny but how many of those pining for Marco Rose have actually seen more than a couple of Salzburg games, if any? It feels an awful lot like people trying to predict the next big name manager rather than what we actually need in the here and now.