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They wont be behind, they'll be level at 20 titles each!
Correction:- they are currently on 18! you're right, so there's a little leeway, they haven't caught us yet
They wont be behind, they'll be level at 20 titles each!
Correction:- they are currently on 18! you're right, so there's a little leeway, they haven't caught us yet
De Gea and Pogba currently get in anywhere. Can make an argument for Lindelof to partner Van Dijk or get in at City next to Laporte, though it's not a huge diff. Shaw would get in at City. Herrera would get in at Liverpool (though hes gone anyway). Most of the others would be squad players or promising future starters like Rashford but wouldnt start. Still though, De Gea, Shaw, Lindelof, Pogba are all very good options, while others like Martial, Rashford and Dalot are still young and you'd expect them to improve with better players around them (and because of natural development).Rene Mulensteen was interviewed by his daughter for one of the United dedicated YouTube channels. And he said during the interview that Fergie and the backroom staff used to gauge the strength of our squad in relation to our biggest competitor Arsenal at the time. And if we thought we were one member better off, then we'd be satisfied going into the season.
How many of our players would get into the City/Liverpool lineups after we spend this huge wad of cash if reports are to be believed? That's gonna determine how next season will go, if Fergies formula is to be followed..
That kind of logic never works, have heard that every season, since SAF left we are a top 6 team not even a top 4 one. It’s not about disappointment lowering my expectations it’s reality, I assume you have been expecting a title challenge every year last 6 years, how has that gone?.Since Ole took over we are 12-2-2 in the EPL. That's good for 38 points or 2.375 points per game. Spread that out over 38 games and we are on course for 90.25 points. Spread that out over what's been played so far (33 games) and that puts us on roughly 78 points, which is only 5 back of CIty and 7 back of Liverpool (who has played one more game). So realistically that puts us 5 points behind the leaders assuming us and City both win the game in hand, and 4 behind Liverpool. That's with the team that we have right now. Add in a couple of signings and hell yeah, we are right there. But I get it. You're tired of being disappointed so you want to lower the excpectations. Well greatness doesn't come from keeping the bar low. Greatness comes from raising the bar, and if you end up falling short, you learn from it and get better the next time. So yeah, I expect us to challenge for the title next year regardless of how much we spend...
It simply depends on if we can spend it better than them. Which we won't judging by past transfer windows.What if Liverpool, City and Spurs also spend £200m, all from a better starting position than us? Or even just £100m.
Too much needless pessimism around cafe.It simply depends on if we can spend it better than them. Which we won't judging by past transfer windows.
Realistically City can't get much better than they are, Liverpool can get better on paper but realistically they won't be as consistent next season as they are now.What if Liverpool, City and Spurs also spend £200m, all from a better starting position than us? Or even just £100m.
Laughable, but you do you do.I don't care if we spend 200m or $20. I still expect us to challenge for the title. And this team isn't as far off as you may think. Even without a transfer, we still have a squad that can challenge for the title. Don't forget, a title isn't won by beating Liverpool and City (though it doesn't hurt). A title is won by beating all the other teams in the league and staying consistent...
Care to expand on that? What is so laughable about not thinking everything is all doom and gloom around here?Laughable, but you do you do.
Realistic? Sound like Liverpool fans? WTF are you talking about? You don't become great by aiming for top 4. You become great by setting the bar high. We aren't Arsenal. We are Manchester United. And yes, you are lowering your expectations to avoid disappointment. If not, then you wouldn't ask me "how has that gone" when I say I expect a title challenge every year...That kind of logic never works, have heard that every season, since SAF left we are a top 6 team not even a top 4 one. It’s not about disappointment lowering my expectations it’s reality, I assume you have been expecting a title challenge every year last 6 years, how has that gone?.
You sound like every Liverpool fan for decades, clutching at straws saying next year is our year and doing some maths (which will probably drop off further by end of season) to support it. We can and should be better next season but have to be realistic.
It's so laughable because we are so far behind City and Liverpool. Can you not see that? Huge amount of average players on big contracts. We haven't challenged for 6 years, so what makes you think one summer is going to turn us into contenders? We are run by incompetent owners and a Chairman who hasn't got a single clue in how to run a football club. He has shown that in the 6 years he has been here but yet some people still defend him. Our problems run far, far deeper that simply just spending 200M+ this summer. If you can't see that then you've got your blinkers on. Same goes for a good few posters on this forum too.Care to expand on that? What is so laughable about not thinking everything is all doom and gloom around here?
Welll yes and no, it wont buy you a Neymar but you could bring in 4 or 5 high potential players if you do your homework and look for the next Sane or Jesus. £200 million could go a long way to making United a strong team but I don't see it as being enough to bypass Liverpool and City next season.£200 million isn't massive money these days,
Good post, no Excellent post, we have a few years to wait till we win anything and spending doesn’t work by itself.It's so laughable because we are so far behind City and Liverpool. Can you not see that? Huge amount of average players on big contracts. We haven't challenged for 6 years, so what makes you think one summer is going to turn us into contenders? We are run by incompetent owners and a Chairman who hasn't got a single clue in how to run a football club. He has shown that in the 6 years he has been here but yet some people still defend him. Our problems run far, far deeper that simply just spending 200M+ this summer. If you can't see that then you've got your blinkers on. Same goes for a good few posters on this forum too.
Since Ole took over we are 12-2-2 in the EPL. That's good for 38 points or 2.375 points per game. Spread that out over 38 games and we are on course for 90.25 points. Spread that out over what's been played so far (33 games) and that puts us on roughly 78 points, which is only 5 back of CIty and 7 back of Liverpool (who has played one more game). So realistically that puts us 5 points behind the leaders assuming us and City both win the game in hand, and 4 behind Liverpool. That's with the team that we have right now. Add in a couple of signings and hell yeah, we are right there. But I get it. You're tired of being disappointed so you want to lower the excpectations. Well greatness doesn't come from keeping the bar low. Greatness comes from raising the bar, and if you end up falling short, you learn from it and get better the next time. So yeah, I expect us to challenge for the title next year regardless of how much we spend...It's so laughable because we are so far behind City and Liverpool. Can you not see that? Huge amount of average players on big contracts. We haven't challenged for 6 years, so what makes you think one summer is going to turn us into contenders? We are run by incompetent owners and a Chairman who hasn't got a single clue in how to run a football club. He has shown that in the 6 years he has been here but yet some people still defend him. Our problems run far, far deeper that simply just spending 200M+ this summer. If you can't see that then you've got your blinkers on. Same goes for a good few posters on this forum too.
Next year is our year, all we need is two signings, that’s Liverpool fans time after time and it’s exactly what you peddling.Realistic? Sound like Liverpool fans? WTF are you talking about? You don't become great by aiming for top 4. You become great by setting the bar high. We aren't Arsenal. We are Manchester United. And yes, you are lowering your expectations to avoid disappointment. If not, then you wouldn't ask me "how has that gone" when I say I expect a title challenge every year...
I admire your optimism but it's misguided. This thread on Twitter will offer you a more balanced perspective on why you are wrong.Since Ole took over we are 12-2-2 in the EPL. That's good for 38 points or 2.375 points per game. Spread that out over 38 games and we are on course for 90.25 points. Spread that out over what's been played so far (33 games) and that puts us on roughly 78 points, which is only 5 back of CIty and 7 back of Liverpool (who has played one more game). So realistically that puts us 5 points behind the leaders assuming us and City both win the game in hand, and 4 behind Liverpool. That's with the team that we have right now. Add in a couple of signings and hell yeah, we are right there. But I get it. You're tired of being disappointed so you want to lower the excpectations. Well greatness doesn't come from keeping the bar low. Greatness comes from raising the bar, and if you end up falling short, you learn from it and get better the next time. So yeah, I expect us to challenge for the title next year regardless of how much we spend...
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Fully agree with this, the club is a mess. But that said under Ole we have clawed us back into top 4 contention and have the best record in pts with Liverpool and City little behind.It's so laughable because we are so far behind City and Liverpool. Can you not see that? Huge amount of average players on big contracts. We haven't challenged for 6 years, so what makes you think one summer is going to turn us into contenders? We are run by incompetent owners and a Chairman who hasn't got a single clue in how to run a football club. He has shown that in the 6 years he has been here but yet some people still defend him. Our problems run far, far deeper that simply just spending 200M+ this summer. If you can't see that then you've got your blinkers on. Same goes for a good few posters on this forum too.
Likely to be the former.how should we know? are we spending it on 30m crap like Fellaini? Or buying good players?
I'm not too worried about Liverpool. If they don't win it this season it will be a serious blow to team moral. They may get through the season with only 1 defeat & still not win the league. Their opposition was without their best player for the majority of the season too. Pep has 2 years left in the PL. If reports are to be believed he is going to be spending at least £200 Mill in the Summer in readiness for a possible transfer ban. The only way i see Liverpool winning the league in the near future is if they are taken over by the Saudi's.We should be spending more than £200m to be honest. We need to make a huge statement and we need to do it soon. When Liverpool win the league (jinx please) they'll be only 1 title behind us, and they're more likely to win it before we do again. The primary aim should be putting United back to the top of English Football, regardless of the cost. We have the spending power to do this, and we should do this.
That sort of transition in style will take a season at the very least. It took Pep a full season and he had a bottomless pit of money to aid him on top of a better squad. We've not done that in years and years - of course, the LVG era doesn't count as that was possession in our defensive third.If we aim to play counter attack and just buy better players, I think we'll easily get top 4 but struggle to close the large gap between City/Liverpool and ourselves.
If Ole has something else up his sleeve and we evolve how we play football and start to manage games/control possession a lot better you never know how effective we can be with some key signings
Good but depressing thread. Sadly it's why I don't think we will see much change until we have new ownership at the club.I admire your optimism but it's misguided. This thread on Twitter will offer you a more balanced perspective on why you are wrong.
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Depends on the manager IMO, Conte came in with a pretty funky system and Chelsea immediately won the league. For the record I don't think we should suddenly aim to become a purely possession based team, I just want to see us do it a lot more than we currently do given our only goal threat is a counter attack currentlyThat sort of transition in style will take a season at the very least. It took Pep a full season and he had a bottomless pit of money to aid him on top of a better squad. We've not done that in years and years - of course, the LVG era doesn't count as that was possession in our defensive third.
I agree that we should be capable of more than one system, but that bit about Conte is very favourable to him. He came in, it didn't really work, went to a back 5 and carried on with what that squad had been accustomed to (and already won the league doing) which is counter attacking football.Depends on the manager IMO, Conte came in with a pretty funky system and Chelsea immediately won the league. For the record I don't think we should suddenly aim to become a purely possession based team, I just want to see us do it a lot more than we currently do given our only goal threat is a counter attack currently
I totally agree with your viewpoint. There are foundations to be laid first and foremost.Yet another head-banging example of looking at outcome as oppose to process. I want to see signs of attractive, attacking football and better movement. If I see that then the final position (to a certain extent) is largely immaterial. It’s why I was happy we gave Ole the job because there were (and still are) signs of progress in the way we play football. Yes, we’ve dropped off in recent weeks but there’s a range of reasons for that. Most of which can be worked upon by both Ole in training and the way in which we approach the transfer market this summer.
Top four or title challenge? I’m really not that arsed. Play the right way and the rest will figure itself out. The best example of that is current Liverpool, who are significantly better than the sum of their parts.