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A comfortable win against Burnley was never possible because of the referee performance
I was pleased to see Pogba step up when it was clear Bruno was having, for him, a poor game. But he has to do this on a more consistent basis and not just when Brunos having a bad game or not in the side, he needs to play like this from the start of matches, not halfway. When Pogba can do this he'll be some player, sadly we wont get the chance to witness this as he'll be leaving end of season, and, taking into consideration his entire time with us, Im not sorry to see him go.I'd say that's about the best team we can put on paper right now. Good performance all round. Maybe not thee best performance in a utd shirt for Pogba, but let me say this: I can't see us winning that game without him.
You could be right. I just dont get it with him. He can be abysmal at times and other times look like he has is up there with the best.The one that worries me the most is Rashford.
I could be totally wrong, but I think his head is so much into his other calling, to work for others, that he is becoming tired. While many footballers leave it to their PR company or whatsoever to take care of things, I think Rashford is involved personally on a very big scale in its day to day things.
Maybe that is taking a toll on him. It is an extreme physical as well as emotional investment. It is not easy too.
Maybe I am worried about nothing and it is just a blip in form.
Or as Klopp said if life gives you lemons make lemonadeRecords are there to be broken, or what was it Solskjaer said? "Mountains are to be climbed"?
I believe you are overthinking it Rashford has always been inconsistent even during the games infact most of our attackers are similarly frustrating ,hopefully they would eventually gain consistency in not so distant future otherwise we will have some decisions to make .The one that worries me the most is Rashford.
I could be totally wrong, but I think his head is so much into his other calling, to work for others, that he is becoming tired. While many footballers leave it to their PR company or whatsoever to take care of things, I think Rashford is involved personally on a very big scale in its day to day things.
Maybe that is taking a toll on him. It is an extreme physical as well as emotional investment. It is not easy too.
Maybe I am worried about nothing and it is just a blip in form.
That's fair, everyone has there own entitlement to there own judgement. I felt that other than a few routine headers, Bailey covered his ass countless amount of times. He found himself out of position, dropped his shoulder too much allowing space and a severe lack of leadership. He probably should of had a goal but if it was not for Bailey, he gets exposed again. I remember a moment in the second half when Bailey covered for him because he just let a man jog past him, Bailey has to run the whole 6 yard box to cover him and then he blasted Harry for being out of position and getting the team into that state. How many blocks and dives did Bailey have to do on the left side as Harry was jogging around somewhere or trying to recover?I personally thought Maguire was alright for this match? Kept things tidy, nice and composed in the build-ups, won his aerial defensive duels and had a goal harshly ruled out. Seems like a lot of people agree too, based on the average ratings anyway.
Yhup we don't win either of last night's or the Wolves game last season.Biggest improvement from last season for me is the grit and determination in games like these
Best players but not best team imo. Rashford just doesn't work on the right. If we want Cavani up front, which I think we should, a tough decision needs to be made re Martial/Rashford.I'd say that's about the best team we can put on paper right now. Good performance all round. Maybe not thee best performance in a utd shirt for Pogba, but let me say this: I can't see us winning that game without him.
It definitely looks worse in slow motion, i wouldn't say it is a clear red card, I actually think yellow was fine, Shaw gets touch on the ball first, there was no intent, it is the follow through that looks rough. Saying that, I don't think anyone understands the rules anymore, even referees. We are currently at this stage where these decisions are 50/50. What would be great is if someone out right says, if you follow through, irrespective of touching the ball, and you hit the opposition player above the ankle, you get a red. Unfortunately, VAR and the governing board do not know how to make a decision, let alone implement them.This incident has taught me that some people on here are liberal with the use of "clearly" and maybe I have poor eyesight. Shaw was lucky to get only a yellow.
This is where I feel we can get carried away. Luke Shaw has proven over a number of years, that he is not a player we can rely upon, not if we wish to win trophies.Bailly, Pogba, Shaw and Matic were outstanding last night. I thought Luke Shaw stepped up in last nights game as someone we can depend upon.
I've always criticised him for shitting out of tackles (the injury probably) but last night he was a beast, unlucky to get booked.
Agree with all of thatSome people seem to think this was a "scrubby" win (heard the word on Sky) but I actually enjoyed the full 90 mins. There have been occasions in the past were would have conceded a soft goal and lost the game - last night we were rarely troubled (did DDG have a shot to save?). We controlled things well enough in the first half to take the sting out of their main threat and were very good in the second half - the first time this season we've done that without Bruno running things.
This was probably Pogba's best game in a United shirt - not jus going forward, he seems to have learnt the importance of defensive work over the past few weeks and is actually really good at getting his head on set pieces flung into our area. I'm not sure his shot would have gone in without the deflection but I think we would have got a goal somehow and Pogba deserved one for his performance (regulars here will no I am far from his biggest fan).
Also think bailly looked good and Maguire looked solid.
On the negative side, rashford was poor and Martial yet again anonymous except for when missing yet another golden chance.really is time for Ole to make the call and leave him out. Do I think we are going to score enough goals to win the PL this season... sorry but no.
Finally, Kevin fFriend's performance was so poor, he shouldn't be allowed to referee in the PL until he's learnt the fecking rules.
I was firstly annoyed that we only got a single goal but then I had a look into Burnley at home. Before the game yesterday, they had played 7 at home, won 3, drew 1 and lost 3. The 3 defeats came before 1st November when every team was finding there feet still because of a lack of pre season. Before yesterday they had scored just 5 but only conceded 7. 3 of the 7 came against Chelsea on 31st October. Other than that game, they have not conceded more than one goal at home and they have played Southampton, Spurs, Chelsea, Palace, Everton, Wolves and Sheffield United. I look back today and think, these three 3 points is just brilliant.Fecking hate playing against Burnley, who are in good form at the moment, but we did what we had to.
If we beat the scousers at the weekeend, then we are serious contenders for the league
He's been mentioned many times.Has anybody mentioned Baily yet?
He's been very good. He's still an asset to the team. Let's just hope he won't get injured or get a red card anytime soon. He was always a good defender, faced Ronaldo several times in La Liga and didn't look out of place. Shit defenders usually look out of place against that Ronaldo. I know this because I watched him extensively on Youtube the moment we signed him.
I agree with this. I think a yellow card was fair, but I totally understand why a red card could be argued. It doesn't really matter if it was a malicious tackle or not, if the Burnley player had his studs planted, it's a potential leg breaker. Not exactly a reckless tackle, but dangerous nonetheless. I was actually a bit surprised he wasn't sent off when watching the game.This incident has taught me that some people on here are liberal with the use of "clearly" and maybe I have poor eyesight. Shaw was lucky to get only a yellow.
I was thinking lucky in the context of the VAR era. Normally I could still see a red being produced though. I'm ok with referees having to make a judgement on whether somebody got enough of the ball but I'm not even sure if that's the law.It definitely looks worse in slow motion, i wouldn't say it is a clear red card, I actually think yellow was fine, Shaw gets touch on the ball first, there was no intent, it is the follow through that looks rough. Saying that, I don't think anyone understands the rules anymore, even referees. We are currently at this stage where these decisions are 50/50. What would be great is if someone out right says, if you follow through, irrespective of touching the ball, and you hit the opposition player above the ankle, you get a red. Unfortunately, VAR and the governing board do not know how to make a decision, let alone implement them.
Learn the etymology of "lucky" if you're serious.Maybe you can explain in detail, why you think it is "clearly" a red.
True but he's much quicker and stronger than Lindelof, he's a better partner to Maguire I think. Seems like we don't have to worry too much about the defenders after all, we only need what we have to perform this season.He's been mentioned many times.
Athletic, brave and rapid. So much better in the air than Lindelof
Downside: not great in possession and his distribution is very poor.
However if he has a good organizer like Maguire next to him, we have a decent to very effective CB partnership.
Shout out to Shaw who was equally brave and physical when needed.
Glad we gave Burnley a taste of their own medicine last night.
Loved it when AWB jumped into Barnes!
He’s pretty decent in possession, have you forgotten all of the crazy moves he’s made to get out of pressure in his own box. He’s also not to bad driving forward with the ball out of defence. He is just no where near Lindelöf in terms of distribution.He's been mentioned many times.
Athletic, brave and rapid. So much better in the air than Lindelof
Downside: not great in possession and his distribution is very poor.
However if he has a good organizer like Maguire next to him, we have a decent to very effective CB partnership.
Shout out to Shaw who was equally brave and physical when needed.
Glad we gave Burnley a taste of their own medicine last night.
Loved it when AWB jumped into Barnes!
If he has to choose between the two I hope the club gives him a nice long leave so he can focus exclusively on his charitable work. Title race be damned.The one that worries me the most is Rashford.
I could be totally wrong, but I think his head is so much into his other calling, to work for others, that he is becoming tired. While many footballers leave it to their PR company or whatsoever to take care of things, I think Rashford is involved personally on a very big scale in its day to day things.
Maybe that is taking a toll on him. It is an extreme physical as well as emotional investment. It is not easy too.
Maybe I am worried about nothing and it is just a blip in form.
Trust me I don't get carried away, I just think that he has shown a lot more fight the last couple of months (probably because of Telles)This is where I feel we can get carried away. Luke Shaw has proven over a number of years, that he is not a player we can rely upon, not if we wish to win trophies.
He has. He was good last night.Trust me I don't get carried away, I just think that he has shown a lot more fight the last couple of months (probably because of Telles)
No idea. I just think it's a foul because he catches the player with his studs...probably a yellow too for the same reason, but it's impossible that its intentional and he's not jumped in or used excessive force or purposely placed his foot off the ground so it isn't wreckless or endangering the opponent either. I don't know how anyone gets to the conclusion it could have been a red card. You can't send people off for bad luck.Looks to me like he's pulling his foot sidewards and back after getting some of the ball in order to minimise the risk of injury to both of them.
You absolutely can.No idea. I just think it's a foul because he catches the player with his studs...probably a yellow too for the same reason, but it's impossible that its intentional and he's not jumped in or used excessive force or purposely placed his foot off the ground so it isn't wreckless or endangering the opponent either. I don't know how anyone gets to the conclusion it could have been a red card. You can't send people off for bad luck.
The fortunate person in that whole incident is the Burnley player who fouled Cavani, although even that looked completely accidental, but he'd obviously have either been in or played the ball to Rashford if he wasn't brought down. Somehow the ref concluded that was a yellow. Some of the refereeing in our PL games this season has been a new level of awful.
You can't. You can send them off because the rules of the game say it's a red card. The only time it's bad luck is if the ref gets it wrong.You absolutely can.
Indeed, particularly Matic. Does all the less glamorous things really well and allows others to play.Many excellent performances - Maguire, Shaw, Matic, Bruno, Pogba. Bailly was immense.
Directly from the FA: "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."You can't. You can send them off because the rules of the game say it's a red card. The only time it's bad luck is if the ref gets it wrong.
There's an area of interpretation with bad tackles but not to the extent of just sending someone off even though the rules say you shouldn't and there was nothing actually bad about the tackle.
It wasn’t excessive force, nor did he endanger his opponent, this is football. You use your feet. He cannot immediately stop his foot the moment he touches the ball, legs and feet will come together. Really, any tackle or kick could potentially end up like this, because when you kick the ball, there’s always a chance that the opponent’s legs could get in the way of where your foot might go. It wasn’t a lunge, he wasn’t out of control, it was a perfectly normal attempt at kicking a football, that looks so much worse when you play it back in slow motion and freeze frame at the moment where the two players come together. You could literally identify 200 similar situations in any game.Directly from the FA: "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
You could easily argue that the tackle (or subsequent result/follow through) endangered the Burnley player. It was a potential leg breaker, whether it was bad luck and unintentional or not. Now, I also think it's a yellow, but I would very much understand if he'd been sent off. In a way Shaw got lucky with not being more unlucky.
Telles has also meant Shaw hasn't been ran into the ground. The fact we can rest him with very little dip in quality is great news.He has. He was good last night.
The only thing Telles has over him is crossing but we've seen precious little of that.
Shaw is still our number 1 LB.
I guess this is a case where we have to agree to disagree. There is a reason VAR wanted to look at it, and there are many people, even on this very forum, who think a red card could be defended. Some even think Shaw got lucky.It wasn’t excessive force, nor did he endanger his opponent, this is football. You use your feet. He cannot immediately stop his foot the moment he touches the ball, legs and feet will come together. Really, any tackle or kick could potentially end up like this, because when you kick the ball, there’s always a chance that the opponent’s legs could get in the way of where your foot might go. It wasn’t a lunge, he wasn’t out of control, it was a perfectly normal attempt at kicking a football, that looks so much worse when you play it back in slow motion and freeze frame at the moment where the two players come together. You could literally identify 200 similar situations in any game.
Kevin Friend