[rooney2009]

Draw United
We just can’t defend.
We concede too many goals.
We should win if we score 2 goals away from home.

 

[Cpt Negative]

At what level have you played football, dude?

What makes you think the standard isnt good in the PL this season?

Please enlighten me.

Because Arsenal are running away with the league, despite playing like Pulis Stoke.

No one else can string wins together, perhaps Villa but they’ve been playing shit and banging in worldies.

To he as shit as we, Liverpool, Newcastle and Chelsea have been and to be in European places doesn’t mean it’s a good quality, it’s shit standard masked as competitive

 

[RedIan]

We need the 3 points tonight, arsenal and city next and odds on defeats against both,

 

[predator]

Just look at the number of unforced errors per game. The defensive slip ups. The goalkeeping errors all over the show. The braindead decision making in many games where even basic passes seem to be a challenge to too many players.

The lack of energy in many games, where teams are rather pedestrian. The inconsistency of almost every team in the league bar Arsenal.

Chelsea, City, Liverpool, United etc aren’t inconsistent because the other teams are just too good, it’s because of their own poor performances and too many of them.

City always look vulnerable to counter attacks and concede for fun at times. Chelsea look abject in many games and aren’t performing well. Liverpool look beatable in almost every game lately, including the ones they’ve won more recently.

Newcastle are struggling and are extremely inconsistent. Some games they look exhausted and can’t play anything that resembles football (Sunderland game for example). Spurs are 14th.

But if you think the quality of football is as good as it’s ever been, then good for you I guess.

Never actually said its as good as its ever been but if you are going to make stuff up then good for you I guess.

The league is at a very high standard and very competitive. Thats my opinion and the results and table standings show that aswell.

Out of interest, what is your opinion of Serie A or La Liga right now?

 

[oreon]

Similar to our recent draws. We create chances, don't capitlize on all of them then opposition scores on limited chances. Been the story of the season. We need 3 or 4 chances to score. The opposition takes their 1st shot and it ends up in goal

The issue is defensively we are poor. Not getting a proper CDM in the summer costs us a ton of points. But in the long run atleast we know what needs to be fixed. In the summer if we can get 2 holding CMs and one more elite CB then I think we can have a proper foundation to build on.

The chances have been there all season. The finishing will get better. Its the defense and midfield that need to be addressed

 

[Denis' cuff]

Hard to believe United would have gone 4th with a win tonight. Play Arsenal,Man City in the next two Premier league games how many points off 4th by then?

Looking at the thread vs bottom teams, we do better vs good teams coming at us
Can’t say I have a lot of confidence going forward though. Missing MDL

 

[clarkydaz]

that cross from dorgu though

a winger putting an early cross in for the striker, imagine that

 

[RopersReturn]

Shaw played well for Burnley tonight.

 

[steffyr2]

Our defence is going to get torn apart against any half decent team with 4 at the back. We need a manager that sorts us out defensively. Get Tuchel

That's my understanding of why teams don't play 442 anymore. Actually, iirc, that was the theory of why Sir Alex couldn't do particularly well in Europe.

Don't think we should get Tuchel, though.

 

[Manncunian]

Never actually said its as good as its ever been but if you are going to make stuff up then good for you I guess.

The league is at a very high standard and very competitive. Thats my opinion and the results and table standings show that aswell.

Out of interest, what is your opinion of Serie A or La Liga right now?

I can’t be bothered engaging anymore. We will never agree.

How you can watch the football and think it’s of a very high standard is flabbergasting to me. Yet you think me believing it to be of a low standard to be equally perplexing.

Perhaps go and get some idea of what the general consensus is on the standard of the PL this season across different forums and platforms. Or speak to some real humans about it. See what they say. Maybe someone will agree with you, but I certainly won’t.

Also, it’s literally impossible to gauge the standard of football in any league simply by looking at results and the table . Literally meaningless. This suggests your assessment of good football vs bad football is simply how many games were goalless draws compared to how many had lots of goals. Which tells me everything I need to know.

 

[Adz_99]

Because Arsenal are running away with the league, despite playing like Pulis Stoke.

No one else can string wins together, perhaps Villa but they’ve been playing shit and banging in worldies.

To he as shit as we, Liverpool, Newcastle and Chelsea have been and to be in European places doesn’t mean it’s a good quality, it’s shit standard masked as competitive

Its very difficult to play high quality, attractive attacking football when every team in the league is well organised, able to press high, full of pace and athleticism, set up to force errors and capitalise on mistakes.

We're awful but put us in the CL or EL and I think we cruise into the next round without much issue.

 

[oreon]

Amorim would have won this game

Not really. Fans are hyping this game as better than Amorim to try and prove a point. But its false. Its the same. Having Bruno back helped with more chances.
This game is the same problems we have under Amorim which is conceding easily and being unable to control games once we take the lead. We score then fall asleep and concede a goal. Or the other team scores off our mistake we get back in the game, go ahead and then concede again.
Its same script in pretty much all of our draws since the Palace loss

 

[DevilRed]

It does look like we are going to freefall down the table barring a miracle.

We only got 3 points against relegation fodder like wolves, burnley, west ham and everton

Should have sacked Amorim months ago.

 

[Deewill]

I'm sorry but this one is clearly on Fletcher. We don't expect some kind of revolution over one game, he isn't in charge for this. Actually we just needed him to restrain from making baffling choices.

I think the last time I was so angry over in-game tactics was when we lost against PSG in 2020. Fred escaped a red card after a VAR review. Given the tension, the whole world, except Ole, knew that Fred had to be substituted. We know what happened later.

Obviously not the same situation tonight and not the same stakes. But taking off Bruno was as careless/incomprehensible as keeping Fred on the pitch that night. We managed to take the lead after stifling them hard throughout the second half. For the following 10-15 minutes it was just a matter of finishing them off with a third goal or calming the heat. Yet for weird reasons he decided to take off our best player and make the block drop deep to defend a feckin 1 goal lead as if we were known to be good at that. Don't tell me he's being cautious about Bruno's injury cause if he really were, he wouldn't have waited for us to take the lead before making those substitutions.

 

[Møllemanden]

Many good performances tonight, but once again individual lazyness cost us two goals. Casemiro didn't track his opponent when they scored the first goal, and I absolutely hated that alibi defending by Martinez for their second goal. You're just standing there watching! Apply some pressure ffs!

Happy for Sesko though. He had quite a few chances, but it's refreshing to see the team create chances for the striker.

A thumbs up for Ugarte, Bruno, Dorgu, Heaven and Lacey as well.

I still struggle to see what Dalot has to offer and Shaw is probably going to break soon, if he has to play that fullback role in every game.

The Premier League is a weird competition this season. You never know what you're gonna get.

 

[RedDevil [NC]]

Shaw played well for Burnley tonight.

And some people still defend him. How many games has he been paid while injured for 75% of his career?

 

[gearoid]

I thought Bruno had a poor game (he was not alone) but when he came off, we went downhill. Kobbie didn’t do himself any favours and Casemiro and Cunha must have been on the Caipirinhas last night. Delighted for Sesko to score those two good goals, but we need a decent CDM in this window.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Pretty annoying to read all the negative comments here in the player performances for a freak result and one of United's best performances of the season. Better refereeing, a bit of luck and a matter of inches on clearances and posts and it's all praise. Sometimes you have to look beyond the result, this was nothing like that the other draws recently.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Went to sleep as usual after going in front.

Sadly I think that could be the end of our chances for Europe, unless things drastically change. Much tougher games coming up.

Good for Sesko though.

 

[Banana Republic]

This result was entirely in line with our recent form against the PL’s basement dwellers.
Just think about the points thrown away with that home defeat against 10 man Everton, followed by lousy home draws to bottom clubs, West Ham, Bournemouth, Wolves and now away to Leeds and Burnley.
That’s 13 points dropped.
Opportunity after opportunity wasted.

Next up City and Arsenal.
If we lose both of those games, we could drop down to as low as 12th (mathematically it could be as low as 14th).
Hopefully the teams behind us continue to be inconsistent.
It’s going to take some time to steady this ship.

 

[predator]

I can’t be bothered engaging anymore. We will never agree.

How you can watch the football and think it’s of a very high standard is flabbergasting to me. Yet you think me believing it to be of a low standard to be equally perplexing.

Perhaps go and get some idea of what the general consensus is on the standard of the PL this season across different forums and platforms. Or speak to some real humans about it. See what they say. Maybe someone will agree with you, but I certainly won’t.

Fair enough.

I tend to value the opinions of those who are currently playing at the highest level, who overwhelmingly state how competitive top level football is, more than individuals on the Internet who have likely never kicked a ball in their life. I value people I know who play at a high level and myself who has played football all my life.

On top of that I also value seeing PL teams still doing well in Europe, which suggests the PL isnt at a bad level.

But yeah, some individuals online know best.

 

[CM]

I'm sorry but this one is clearly on Fletcher. We don't expect some kind of revolution over one game, he isn't in charge for this. Actually we just needed him to restrain from making baffling choices.

I think the last time I was so angry over in-game tactics was when we lost against PSG in 2020. Fred escaped a red card after a VAR review. Given the tension, the whole world, except Ole, knew that Fred had to be substituted. We know what happened later.

Obviously not the same situation tonight and not the same stakes. But taking off Bruno was as careless/incomprehensible as keeping Fred on the pitch that night. We managed to take the lead after stifling them hard throughout the
second half. For the following 10-15 minutes it was just a matter of finishing them off with a third goal or calming the heat. Yet for weird reasons he decides to take off our best player and make the block drop deep to defend a feckin 1 goal lead as if we were known to be good at that. Don't tell me he was cautious about Bruno injury cause if really were, he wouldn't have waited for us to take the lead before making those substitutions.

Eh? Bruno is just returning from injury and needed his minutes managed. He came off on the hour mark, it would've been a pre-planned sub.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Went to sleep as usual after going in front.

Sadly I think that could be the end of our chances for Europe, unless things drastically change. Much tougher games coming up.

Good for Sesko though.

Well that’s the whole point, they have drastically changed…

 

[Agila Dathi]

We had 30 shots. They had 1 shot on target all game.

And Chelsea played with 10 men for 70 minutes!

And we got 1 point against relegation candidate Burnley. Thank god we got rid og Amorim, thins are so much better.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Such a gut punch that result. Burnley did nothing whilst we apart from the 2 goals hit the woodwork twice, had a clear goal overruled and had 2 cleared off the line. So so annoying

 

[SuperiorXI]

What gets me is when the ball goes out for a throw or we get a free kick in injury time, there is no urgency or busting a gut to get the ball in play quickly.

They only do that in big games I've found. It's all in the mentality. It needs to be changed so that losing or not winning is a devastation, that's how it used to be.

 

[Houdini]

The worst part is that we dropped points against the easiest teams. No European football for the next season I am affraid.

 

[Infra-red]

Our nice easy run of games finally comes to an end. The season gets a lot more difficult from this point.

 

[Red & White]

We’ve conceded 32 goals in 21 league matches. Only the bottom 6 have conceded more. We’ve conceded 4 goals in 2 games against this Burnley side, who are, let’s all be honest here, an absolutely awful side.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Well that’s the whole point, they have drastically changed…

With the team like

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

The worst part is that we dropped points against the easiest teams. No European football for the next season I am affraid.

Yep, unless Mbeumo and Amad lift us. We are too easy to score against.

 

[bosnian_red]

Incredibly unfortunate result after a very good performance. 30 shots, hit woodwork twice, 2 cleared off the line, clear goal disallowed, 2/3rds of the ball, conceded a deflected cross. It is what it is sometimes.

Happy with the intent of the team and the subs, the way we played, delighted with Sesko grabbing a couple finally. We really need to start putting points on the board though as these last 3 games was 6 points dropped when we should be getting all 9 every day. At least today was just unlucky rather than shit like the other two.

Glad Bruno is back. World class player. We're in for some fun football this season once Amad and Mbeumo come back.

Disappointments, obviously the result, but player wise I'd say Cunha for sure was woeful, heaven looked awkward and sloppy and like he kept forgetting it's a back 4 rather than a back 3, and then Dalot gave a very mediocre performance.

Mazraoui for Dalot, De Ligt in for Heaven, Amad for Cunha, Mbeumo for Dorgu and I think there will be lots of good football in store for us.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

We’ve conceded 32 goals in 21 league matches. Only the bottom 6 have conceded more. We’ve conceded 4 goals in 2 games against this Burnley side, who are, let’s all be honest here, an absolutely awful side.

The defence has changed all season, De Ligt was finally settling in to be a leader and then he got injured. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a different defence combination for almost every game, which hasn’t helped things at all.

With the team like

But it looked far better tonight from my eyes, the formation and shape looked better. Amorim played a completely different system so it should change going forward.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Well. Needed a bit of luck in the game. Unfortunately, we got none. Woeful decision from the ref to rule out the goal based on just nothing.
Cunha needs to play LW and Dorgu on the right.

 

[Carlsen19]

Incredibly unfortunate result after a very good performance. 30 shots, hit woodwork twice, 2 cleared off the line, clear goal disallowed, 2/3rds of the ball, conceded a deflected cross. It is what it is sometimes.

Happy with the intent of the team and the subs, the way we played, delighted with Sesko grabbing a couple finally. We really need to start putting points on the board though as these last 3 games was 6 points dropped when we should be getting all 9 every day. At least today was just unlucky rather than shit like the other two.

Glad Bruno is back. World class player. We're in for some fun football this season once Amad and Mbeumo come back.

Disappointments, obviously the result, but player wise I'd say Cunha for sure was woeful, heaven looked awkward and sloppy and like he kept forgetting it's a back 4 rather than a back 3, and then Dalot gave a very mediocre performance.

Mazraoui for Dalot, De Ligt in for Heaven, Amad for Cunha, Mbeumo for Dorgu and I think there will be lots of good football in store for us.

Where was the fun football before they went?

 

[bosnian_red]

Where was the fun football before they went?

Obviously there was kind of a big thing that happened in the mean time

 

[Overhaul FC]

Today was on the two centre backs or Fletcher for picking two left footed CBs. Heaven went with the wrong foot to block which is defending basics. He's cost us two goals in 2 games.

Martinez got done way too easily for the 2nd goal. As CBs they had so little to do today that they should've done better when called upon.

Decent attacking play and build up but Burnley were awful defensively.

Shaw can't play left back any more his legs are gone. As soon as Amad or Mbuemo return from Afcon we need to put Dorgu at left back to bring the ball forward and Cunha can return to the left wing.

Sesko
Cunha Fernandes Mbuemo
Casemiro Ugarte
Dorgu Martinez Yoro/De Ligt Mazraoui
Lammens

Or one option is Cunha plays at 10 with Bruno returning to CM so we don't have to play Ugarte.

Sesko
Amad Cunha Mbuemo
Casemiro Fernandes
Dorgu Martinez Yoro/De Ligt Mazraoui
Lammens

I need to see either of these lineups asap after the Afcon boys are back. I think it's our only hope for the season. Play the best starting lineup and hope we don't get injuries.

Dalot, Shaw, Ugarte and Mainoo rightly need to be kept out of the starting lineup and replaced in the summer.

Wilcox fecked it. We needed a CM not the manager sacked.

 

[big_jeffstar]

Felt like the ref couldn’t wait to disallow that, and VAR was never going to over-rule him.. I’m so sick of referees changing the result every week. I know we need to score more, but everything is harder when it feels like the referees are doing everything possible to prevent you from doing so..

 

[The Irish Connection]

The defence has changed all season, De Ligt was finally settling in to be a leader and then he got injured. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a different defence combination for almost every game, which hasn’t helped things at all.

But it looked far better tonight from my eyes, the formation and shape looked better. Amorim played a completely different system so it should change going forward.

It was good in parts (against Burnley) but we lacked intensity too as usual in parts. Burnley were well in it in the first 20 and got back on top for 10 minutes after we went in front.
We have it in us to concede poor goals regularly.
If that changes then great but I have my doubts with an interim manager coming in to fix that and the poor midfield.

 

[Irrational.]

They had one shot on target all game and somehow ended up with two goals.

You could replay this fixture 100 times and we’d win 99 of them. Totally freak result marred by shite refereeing, wasteful finishing and sheer dumb luck.

Will be glad to see these time wasting shitehawks relegated.

Kyle Walker is a turd.